Mini 1576 - Timeshift Mafia II - Endgame

[Bert]

both scum, you asked me for two scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's probably a bad idea to lynch Bulba because there is a decent chance he is doctor. I would vote for Peregrin though. He has been a town read for me all game but I sorta made my mind up on that before the possibility of an SK too.

[Bert]

i will not fall for the trap of "bulba claimed a similar role after that somewhat comparable role was claimed, and scum wouldn't stack the odds against themselves that way"

[PeregrineV]

Can someone sum up the last 6 pages? Unless anything changed, still want out of Bulba/Mara/Bert, Molla & Anatole are town through play, Tammy/Studio are town via claims.

[Bert]

I'm so tempted to vote PereV you have no idea

Based off of claims I would say that the JK one is legit because why claim a potentially provable role that reflects what a mafia roleblocker might claim?

A 2-shot mafia roleblocker already flipped

[Bert]

Can someone sum up the last 6 pages? Unless anything changed, still want out of Bulba/Mara/Bert, Molla & Anatole are town through play, Tammy/Studio are town via claims.

If I didn't read who posted this, I would think it's Mara because this is exactly what Mara sounded like!

[singersigner]

I'm so tempted to vote PereV you have no idea

Based off of claims I would say that the JK one is legit because why claim a potentially provable role that reflects what a mafia roleblocker might claim?

A 2-shot mafia roleblocker already flipped

That was my point. Jailkeeper is more or less a confirmable roll. It wouldn't make sense to claim something reflecting a partner's roll that would "confirm" the JK.

[PeregrineV]

Can someone sum up the last 6 pages? Unless anything changed, still want out of Bulba/Mara/Bert, Molla & Anatole are town through play, Tammy/Studio are town via claims.

If I didn't read who posted this, I would think it's Mara because this is exactly what Mara sounded like!

Thanks for your complaint ABOUT the question without answering it. Noted.

[BBmolla]

Someone interact with me please

[singersigner]

Do you have any questions, molla?

[PeregrineV]

What I liked about Peregrine was him recognizing that Bane was town based on his frustration, but that could also be a product of the multi set up.

I liked some of his early stuff, but I'm kinda concerned about his position that Bert was just riling me up. It feels like a totally different position than how he was in Tales of when I got riled up and he thought I was scummy for it. :/

IDK

Yeah, but this time you claimed to have BP vest shot off after another player claimed to have given you the BP vest. And the other person that died that night was scum, therefore you pretty much can't be.

So, act scummy all you want, or don't, but there is no point in suspecting you when your not scum.

[BBmolla]

Do you have questions for me?

I'm just very apathetic towards this game

And I know that doesn't make sense cause we're probably in a good spot, but I'm lost readwise.

Singer, if we're both town, who would that leave open option wise for scum?

[BBmolla]

IMO, let Doc/JK live tonight, Doc protect JK, JK jail someone scummy. BP insta vest Doc if able.

[PeregrineV]

Also, has anyone else played with singer? I rarely have but I didn't get the impression she was a self-town declarer especially for no reason. Does anyone know if that is her style?

Not in a long while, so not even going to try anything meta related.

[PeregrineV]

My ability to give a vest, at the least, has been confirmed. I like to think my alignment should go along with it, but what do I know.

I would be hard-pressed to think you gave your scum-BPvest to a townie who you shot the night before.

[singersigner]

Also, has anyone else played with singer? I rarely have but I didn't get the impression she was a self-town declarer especially for no reason. Does anyone know if that is her style?

Not in a long while, so not even going to try anything meta related.

Um, don't really do it in forum games I guess. I had a habit of doing it in f2f mafia because I was so bad at scum that I would be confirmed town based off of how calm I played (see: scummies invitational and the always on talk about cornering me to confirm me as town). We had a hydra for a game called "confirmed town" at one point to spoof that concept with people that got annoyed that I wasn't

actually

confirmed...but pretty confirmed.

I dunno...channeling my inner gamma/Faraday I guess? Makes it less stressful when I have to make hard choices lol

If you didn't get the impression that I do that in general, what does that have to do with discerning my alignment? If it's my "style" or not, should you care if I do it as a certain alignment? Maybe you're having a hard time figuring things out because you aren't really asking good questions?

[PeregrineV]

Selfvoting as scum isn't against your wincon unless it's the hammer and your buddies are dead, it's an ATE-based gambit~

I literally just said that. And since we're assuming one mafia left and one SK, if someone has quick hammered it would've absolutely been against his wincon. Shitty gambit and I hope I never have to play with someone who's willing to put a team wincon on the line like that.

That being said, I still don't know what the correlation between AKtown=Bulbtown is...

Anatole claimed jailkeeper who jk'd bulbazack last night. If he is a jailkeeper and there are two deaths tonight then he's confirmed town barring I guess some special role that avoids jail keepers?

I think I get this. If Anatole jailkept Bulba, then Bulba couldn't town-doc (hence 2 kills) or scum-kill (which means there shouldn't be 2 kills- if there is then Bulba/Anatole are confirmed town?)

Is this sound right?

[PeregrineV]

I really really want to say Peregrine but he just lurks in my last few past games with him...I don't know!

You keep repeating this as if that will make it true, but it won't, Nemo, it won't.

[PeregrineV]

Do you have questions for me?

I'm just very apathetic towards this game

And I know that doesn't make sense cause we're probably in a good spot, but I'm lost readwise.

Singer, if we're both town, who would that leave open option wise for scum?

Who do you think is mafia? Why?

Since we are apparently SK hunting also, who is the SK? Why?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I would love to go along with any theory that would clear my name, but there are a couple issues.

A) both kills could be on the same target - this isn't unlikely considering we have one more or less CI - studio, and tammy, who has already been shot once and most people see as town. basically everyone else is "lynchable"

b) mafia have another roleblocker or other disabling role of some sort - also not unlikely if all of the town role claims have been true, especially since messiah was goon

[Bert]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Anatole Kuragin]

peregrine, why are you skeptical about there being an SK still?

[Bert]

IMO, let Doc/JK live tonight, Doc protect JK, JK jail someone scummy. BP insta vest Doc if able.

This, minus the insta-vest part.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I would love to go along with any theory that would clear my name, but there are a couple issues.

A) both kills could be on the same target - this isn't unlikely considering we have one more or less CI - studio, and tammy, who has already been shot once and most people see as town. basically everyone else is "lynchable"

b) mafia have another roleblocker or other disabling role of some sort - also not unlikely if all of the town role claims have been true, especially since messiah was goon

b is a hypothetical, should read mafia COULD have

[singersigner]

Can someone link me to when/where the claims happened? Tammy posted a summary but I want to read the sequencing and actions. I feel like I'm missing that chunk here.

Also, there's no point in lynching someone that will either be confirmed or denied tomorrow. Like...literally no point. There are two people directly linked to confirmable actions tomorrow.