Mini 1665: Papers, Please Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.11

Otolia (4) - Untrod Tripod, Dinare, PeaceBringer, ChaosOmega
Kop (3) - Wrong Song, hitogoroshi, Cheetory6
Dinare (2) - Otolia, xRECKONERx
Untrod Tripod (2) - GuyInFreezer, Quilford
PeaceBringer (1) - elusive

Not Voting (1) - Kop

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, May 7, 2015, at 11:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-07 23:30:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until April 30.
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until April 30.

[Cheetory6]

Dinare, Otolia and Reck, could I get all of you to take a look at Kop sometime and give me your thoughts there? pls & ty.

[Otolia]

He says he is apprehenseive of putting someone at L-2 so early into the game but doesn't explain why and when I'm calling him out on that

What makes this scummy? Walk me through this.

If you're wary of speed-lynching someone too early, you don't vote for him. When I asked him

why

, he didn't explain why (like a reason he is wary of putting someone at L-2 early in the game) and that's scummy because being clear regarding his opinion on the game is what makes town town. In short his argument was just for show. He is posing.

[xRECKONERx]

Dinare, Otolia and Reck, could I get all of you to take a look at Kop sometime and give me your thoughts there? pls & ty.

Okay, will try to get to it after lunch

[Otolia]

@OTOLIA: Why did you attack people's activity?

It was an answer to hito's #36. I didn't attack anyone, I made a point about the uselessness of criticizing me on my activity when the people who hopped on my wagon weren't much better - which was true. Besides, look at the bottom of my post :

I think I've made my point hito. Your attacks on me come from a town-mindset and it doesn't bother me at all to be the first to be targeted for a lynch. Still I feel like you're not seeing the opportunism that is happening right under your eyes. But now you know. Now you have to make the decision if I'm more useless to town than these 3 or not. I'm not going to be brazen but I think I did more than at least one of them. It's too easy to pile up on the guy that is voluntarily dismissive and provocative ... which makes Quilford even townies in my eyes.

I can understand if there is a confusion because hito specifically asked me about who on my wagon could be scum and I didn't answer that specific question. But my post immediately afterwards is isolating a specific vote I think is scum (Dinare) and one could expect someone who is "apprehensive" to recognize he was wrong and unvote ...

[xRECKONERx]

I don't think hito's post was criticizing you for activity, though.

[Cheetory6]

(like a reason he is wary of putting someone at L-2 early in the game) and that's scummy because

being clear regarding his opinion on the game is what makes town town

Two questions,
i) What reason would you expect from a response to your question beyond just "I don't want a speedlynch"? I feel like that answer is so obvious that I find it weird you'd even want to ask him about it.
ii) Do you really think that the bolded is necessarily true? Like.. you really think town is more concerned about being clear than scum?

[Kop]

If we ban getting people near lynch in the early game, the whole game is essentially just a protracted hug fest until we do, y'know? If PB was L-2 right now, would you have voted him?

Kop, after L2 is hammer yes? I mean math and numbers is not my strong suit but that would be hammer so what are you asking here? Or why?

PB, you spend far more time being all "I don't do RQS" then it would have taken you to actually do RQS. Something Shakesperian line here that I forgot. Oh and I'll look into your scum and town meta at some point but I've found that scum usually are less antagonistic.

Otolia, I still don't follow why you mentioned getting a replace during VLA?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read his post in the sort of if he was on L-2 now would you vote for him and put him at L-1, which isn't a hammer because he'd need another vote. And from reading that post, he is asking would you put him at L-1 not asking you to hammer. Maths isn't my strong suit, but L-2 plus your vote if you would vote for him at that stage would put him one from a lynch.

[Cheetory6]

Kop.
I swear to God.

[Cheetory6]

Guys, Kop is officially best wagon 2015.
He's literally just talking about semantics with elusive instead of actually doing anything related to the game and I've already asked him a question about why he's not voting anyone twice before this that he's ignored.
Hop on Kop.

[xRECKONERx]

Cheet, I think there's *something* in this Oto/Din thing. Do you not?

[Cheetory6]

Probably Otolia?

[Cheetory6]

I think there are good reasons to vote Kop vs Otolia right now though, don't you?

[xRECKONERx]

Okay, to be fair, I have no desire to read through you vs Kop at the moment, as I'm pretty brainblasted from work, so if you can give me a cliffnotes version, I promise I will follow all links and read it.

[Cheetory6]

I am being so subtle right now.

[Kop]

Dinare actually brings up a good point about his statement "What are you going to do if I flip town ?".

If he is town and facing a lynch, it should be when I flip town, not if I flip town.

That alone isn't sitting right with me.

I want to vote for Oka because I don't like his confidence in his argument, what if.

[Cheetory6]

Spoiler: kop kop kop kopkop kop kop kopkop kop kop kop

The difference is I have only voted for 2 people. And contributed a little bit more than cheetorys 3 posts, 2 of which only contain votes if I remember correctly. But we have seen a lot more from him now and I am happy.

I don't like the fact that we have someone potentially near lynch but refuses to claim, how does that help us make a decision? I mean I'd rather him claim something than potentially lynch a PR.

UNVOTE:

So the logic is that now that I have more than three posts, I'm not worth voting anymore?
Was it supposed to be a pressure vote or did you genuinely believe that I was such a solid lead that now that I've wormed my way out of the whole "he's not posting" angle, you have literally nothing to pursue right now?
Bleh.
Who would you vote right now and why aren't you voting them?

No I wouldn't hammer PB, because I'm not sure of anyone's alignment and while I might dislike or feel "weird vibes" from a player I would feel nervous to get someone close to hammer or claim. What if a town PR is strung up or something? Considering some people haven't posted I'm wary of quick hammers and anything that prevents real content from being produced and also ugh not liking forced claims so early on either. What and why? I've never seen that before in a mafia game at this stage.

My vote on PB wasn't just his anti-RQS - it was his overly long explanation to me and Wrong Song about why he wouldn't participate. Too much protest for not enough meat.

He didn't ask would you hammer him?

So the logic is that now that I have more than three posts, I'm not worth voting anymore?
Was it supposed to be a pressure vote or did you genuinely believe that I was such a solid lead that now that I've wormed my way out of the whole "he's not posting" angle, you have literally nothing to pursue right now?
Bleh.
Who would you vote right now and why aren't you voting them?

Kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop kop.
VOTE: Kop

Kop, after L2 is hammer yes? I mean math and numbers is not my strong suit but that would be hammer so what are you asking here? Or why?

PB, you spend far more time being all "I don't do RQS" then it would have taken you to actually do RQS. Something Shakesperian line here that I forgot. Oh and I'll look into your scum and town meta at some point but I've found that scum usually are less antagonistic.

Otolia, I still don't follow why you mentioned getting a replace during VLA?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read his post in the sort of if he was on L-2 now would you vote for him and put him at L-1, which isn't a hammer because he'd need another vote. And from reading that post, he is asking would you put him at L-1 not asking you to hammer. Maths isn't my strong suit, but L-2 plus your vote if you would vote for him at that stage would put him one from a lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

That's a really stupid argument, Kop

PEDIT: oh lord

[Kop]

I am being so subtle right now.

Sorry I must apoligise, I didn't realise me not voting makes me scum.

[Kop]

That's a really stupid argument, Kop

PEDIT: oh lord

What's a stupid argument?

[xRECKONERx]

why did you quote kopXelusive posts in that, it doesnt flow

[Cheetory6]

Sorry I must apologize I didn't realize me asking you why you weren't voting three times now is enough for you to acknowledge that I'm asking you a question.
Why aren't you voting someone?
If you want to vote for Oto or Oka or whoever why are you not?

P-Edit: It's to show that he ignored my question three times.

[Kop]

Sorry I must apologize I didn't realize me asking you why you weren't voting three times now is enough for you to acknowledge that I'm asking you a question.
Why aren't you voting someone?
If you want to vote for Oto or Oka or whoever why are you not?

P-Edit: It's to show that he ignored my question three times.

I don't want to put him at L-1 for him to be stupidly hammered.

[Kop]

Sorry, I didn't see that someone unvoted him and put him at L-3.

VOTE: Otolia

[Cheetory6]

*frothing*
I need a nap.