Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[Shiro]

Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

[Shiro]

Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

SHIRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to take a wild guess and say this isn't anti.

Hi fire. I am a blast blast blast from the all to recent past. <----Whoever knows this will have my undying love.


@Lane TBH I agree with Per that post from flubber was awful. I am calling both of them scum, Cakez went for the jokish bus vote and fell flat. Thoughts ?

[Shiro]

I am a blast blast blast from the all to recent past

You googled that didn't you xD

Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

I'll tell you my side!

Cakez: terrible reason for a vote!
Pers: umm day 1 bro whatchu want?
Cakez: ok vote (reasonable to me would be "Yeah, I guess, but still" or "Yeah I guess, I'm not seeing it" not "Yeah ok good case!")
Me: wtf?
Pers: umm what?
Cakez: what the heck, you want me to disagree with you or not?!
Spector: Yeah, no
Me: Yeah, no

This account is amazingly written. It's like I was there!

Wait...
- Max

That made me laugh more than it should have

[Iecerint]

As of page two, would lynch Persivul or Hellhound, not both, processing....

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I am also waiting for mod clarification on a thing.

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I think I know almost none of the players in this game.

It's a strange feeling.

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I feel like it's going to be a problem.

[Shiro]

VOTE: shiro

Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

asking for reasons on an early wagon is already sending up red flags for me, mostly b/c i think in the early game, scum are a lot more likely to feel around and ask for town positions and opinions to be fed to them (as opposed to letting them naturally form on their own)

@Lane TBH I agree with Per that post from flubber was awful. I am calling both of them scum, Cakez went for the jokish bus vote and fell flat. Thoughts ?

this pinged me something fierce. here i'm feeling like shiro is a lot more concerned w/ ingratiating himself to lane and formulating/peddling this narrative that looks good (but is flimsy and doesn't really stand up to much thought) than actually getting the foundation to intuitive and solid reads going

I mean I was just bored to read the first 5 pages, can't say much about that.

Aa for the second point

Can't really argue with it. Looking at my post and your POV makes it kinda scummy. I guess happens. It was just a response based on what he said and a remark based on a random thought that popped in my mind.

[Iecerint]

I am a miller.

I will appear to be mafia if a cop investigates me at night. The role does not interact with other investigate roles.

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Now I will read and vote for someone in this brave new world of 2016.

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Reading this game makes me feel like I need an adult.

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I feel like SirCakes has lots of votes and I barely know that he's a player in this game.

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And you're just claiming now because?

Read my like 5 post iso darling.

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everything is a beta blocker in a high enough dosage

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But I'm willing to listen.

Does Percy do outrageous stuff like this as town?

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I think Hellhound is town.

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The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

This is weird. I think if you thought HH was scum, you would not have this response to someone saying that HH was sketchy.

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Really not liking how Anti flailed then gave up and gave control to Fire. Doesn't seem very townie of him to run away like that, especially since EAP has good points.

FB feels town to me. I don't know Anti well enough (barely at all) to personally judge if his frustration is genuine or not, but I wouldn't think someone with his experience would freak out so easily as scum.

Anti is always a little spastic I think from what I remember.

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I'm also kinda thinking more about persivul than a lot of other players I'm reading about, probably because I recognize him a little from GD.

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But I'm willing to listen.

Does Percy do outrageous stuff like this as town?

Shocking!

I think outrageous or ostentatious is closer.

I think I want to vote you, mainly as a symbol that I would like to deepen our relationship and/or determine your alignment.

VOTE: Persivul

Who can say what's true.

[Iecerint]

Should we Anti-mutagen Icerint just in case he's scum claiming miller.

Frankly I don't think we should bother with AM votes until we have identified the lynch target. Then players should AM whoever they think is scum on said wagon.

As is, people are using either votes or AMvotes to indicate their scumreads, which makes it unnecessarily difficult to track players' reads.

[Iecerint]

That's not how anti-mutagens work. The vote prevents people from receiving a mutation the next cycle, if someone is voted for the anti-mutagen they'll still get to mutate for being on the wagon, they just won't be able to the following day.
- Max

Also, how do people using AM votes for their scumreads make it difficult to track reads? Lynch vote is most scum, AM vote is second-most scum. And then you consolidate and compromise as normal.
- Max

As I understand it, you only mutate if you are on the lynchwagon (regardless of the alignment that flips). This means that AM votes are useless if they aren't on lynchvoters. Just say you find someone suspicious and won't vote them if you want to...think someone is scum...and not vote for them....

You're correct that AM'd players can still use abilities the following night.

[Iecerint]

Maybe we should all just decide on someone that should never mutate? Hm.

It's all public. It's going to the same as the lynchvote, with the nuance that people can fuck up and lynch before everyone has contributed.

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And you're just claiming now because?

Read my like 5 post iso darling.

Cakez question holds weight.

We don't know how much of the thread you read before you decided to claim

Only up to my last post.

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I didn't notice anything in the intervening space that would significantly modulate how it would rationally be interpreted tho.

Which doesn't mean it wasn't there I guess.

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what's your flavor?

Gerobatrachus hottoni

It says I'm an amphibean that lived during a certain period near Texas and gives some modern descendants.

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I am still concerned that you realized you weren't going to get a solid hold on the thread and decided to claim Miller after realizing the fact

What do you think the significance of that observation would be?

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Which last post?

The one before the one where I claimed.

I got home from work, had stuff from weguewruts, and claimed. Then I read the thread and commented on stuff as I read it.

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(I'm pretty sure that was relatively clear from how I posted?)

(Unless I deliberately appeared to be reading posts after the fact.)

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@Ice Why can't we just use AM as kind of a more formal FoS? That way, "scum-ish" players will still be less likely to get powers. Maybe I am having trouble following you?

I similarly think FoS/IGMEOY/ALLNONVOTES are dumb aspects of the site meta that (thankfully) mostly faded way and I don't see as much now.

I think that town players rarely work very well when they simultaneously try to push lots of players at one time (even if they do entertain multiple possibilities). The result is that everything is disorganized and the thread is hard to follow. By contrast, FoS/IGMEOY makes it easy for scum to establish a record of "pressure" of whatever sort they like while having a benign effect on the VC.

If you want to just hang your AM on a scummy player to prevent your vote not being counted due to a quicklynch, I suppose that's fine. That's the most rational premature use I can think of. But it seems dumb to make a post about X player being so scummy and then to AMvote them. Just vote them if they're scummy.

[Iecerint]

Slow day...

I'm also kinda thinking more about persivul than a lot of other players I'm reading about, probably because I recognize him a little from GD.

If you know me from GD, you should take outrageous as par for the course.

Well, there's being a bit zany, and there's being a bit zanyscummy, and your approach to the game feels like the latter.

But it would not surprise me if you were always that way.

I will probably rely to an extent on how other people who appear to've played with you react to what you're doing, because I have never read more content than is absolutely necessary, except for maybe twice.

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I'm assuming the flavor is very very varied considering how different Ice and my flavor are. His is all serious and scientific and mine is basically a joke so...

Mine is definitely scientific in tone.

My guess is that scum have fakeclaims if anything about them is indicative of anything.

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why did you wait so late to claim miller?

[Shiro]

Man catching up I saw like 3 request for my participation, what is up with that?

Not gonna lie guys from all my games this game is drawing me the least.

But I will not let that hold me down because only through force of will evolution can be achieved.

Ok I remember someone asking if I answered to my wagon, my answer is, COME ON.... I have 4 posts, the 4th one is me answering Anti. How hard would it be to find it.

I am a bit iffy about that privatly thing hiplop said but he looks pretty town so meh. It makes no sense to be a slip anyway, dunno why people are scumreading him.

I think max is scum I am geting that same feeling again when I read his posts from the hydra.

Never seen a miller claim be scum so far sooo will not be bothering looking there.

i don't like Sir.Cakez either.

Vote:SirCakez

That hiplop vote was really eh, him saying his role might be a joke is eh,trying ot pressure people with the antimutagen vote is eh. Alll around not getting town vibes.

[Shiro]

eh means I do not like them SirCakez

[Shiro]

That I find it weird. It doesn't really add up because mine is also scientific in type. It appears most peoples are.

[Iecerint]

I obviously would have spelled it out if I thought it needed to be spelled out.

[Shiro]

Shiro can you tell me more about what my posts remind you of? Are you talking, like.. Saga Frontier? I don't remember how much we interacted in that game, and it's the only recent game I think we were both in. Also after that post I would have expected you to vote us, not Cakez. The fact that you did makes me wonder if you did because there's actually support for that one.

Yea talking about saga but eh it isn't as strong this time as it was then plus I am liking EP posts, and yea I am not one to randomly push a vanity wagon knowing there is no support for it. Cakez is better.

[Shiro]

Why does hiplop look pretty town? What posts from max do you find scummy? I'm townreading that hydra. Do you still think Flubber and Cakez are scum together?

Nah I am getting a town feel out of flubber now.

Shiro can you tell me more about what my posts remind you of? Are you talking, like.. Saga Frontier? I don't remember how much we interacted in that game, and it's the only recent game I think we were both in. Also after that post I would have expected you to vote us, not Cakez. The fact that you did makes me wonder if you did because there's actually support for that one.

Yea talking about saga but eh it isn't as strong this time as it was then plus I am liking EP posts, and yea I am not one to randomly push a vanity wagon knowing there is no support for it. Cakez is better.

ok never mind the blah posting continues

Good for you


What gave you momenteraly pause though?

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His "this is gonna be one of those games" comment tho is kinda nullscum to me cause it just reminds me of throwing hands up instead of explaining or talking to ppl

Null...scum?

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this is from a full reread of the game, not just ISOs

EAP: I like what EAP says about Cakez on the Heat wagon in 153. I will note that I also think that the EAP push on hellhound was misguided imo but can come from a town perspective definitely. But i will note that pushing someone who isn't posting a lot of content, i feel is mislynch logic. I do notice some other people along with IANV trying to push some low-activity people which makes no sense to me because why would effort indicate alignment unless it was some insanely real meta dichotomy if you catch my drift.

hiplop: I don't want to go into detail about why I thought/think hiplop was/is scum until i'm more confident in it. I do think that hiplop's strategy might work if we were a little more coordinated and had a little more time, but it's just not feasible.

Hellhound: Like I said before, I find little validity in what other people argue for hellhound being scum. I don't think that necessarily makes the people that push hellhound scum.

Heat: Heat's catchup failed to take a lot of good stances but I think he makes some good points.

SirCakez: I don't think the change in Flubber was particularly bad. When you consider it, it seems coming more from a town perspective than scum motivation. However, that being said, I do think that his response to the resulting pressure was bad.

lane: Looking back on it, lane's entrance was really bland. I originally liked the cakes push, the narrative that he was pushing was at least better than Shiro's but that doesn't really mean much to me anymore. The push on Apricity makes me HIGHLY uncomfortable. I dont know what to think about lane's observation on the EAP push on hellhound, I thought that was definitely something that merited lane's vote so it makes it weird that lane didn't vote.

Shiro: The early game was something that I felt needed a good response for me to ignore. did not deliver. I also dislike the SirCakez push.

Apricity: This townread on Apri is a meta read, and so I don't want to put too much stock in it. However, I will note that I felt there were a lot of things that pinged me in space invaders that came from Apri when Apri was conftown, meaning that behavior that I find scummy isn't actually very indicative. 382 - I don't necessarily agree with shiro admitting that the post looked scummy makes shiro scum, but i do think that others might come to that conclusion.

Iecerint: Miller claim, cool. I assume that was the mod clarification question

Flubbernugget: 174 seems weird to me no matter how I look at it. But his reaction to my push on him seemed legit. I do agree with Persivul in 248 and I think that Persivul is town for now, and Flubber is someone that I might consider. I agree with a lot of what Flubber says on page 14, so there is that.

Persivul: I don't think that Pers is particularly scum for pushing the Heat wagon, but I do think that there is some oddness to the way that the Heat wagon developed. I don't understand how Cakez tries to defend the Heat wagon as something that was legit, feels odd to me. I do think that the Flubberpush early on for the strategy discussion was bad, but genuine. Persivul's game later on sort of doesn't really strike me as particularly good.

zakk/shadow: Shadow keeps the interactions to a minimum, really only talking about firebringer. I personally the reluctance to interact with the playerlist as a whole possibly scummy, but then again, the activity level from this slot kind of skews that data.

Other than shiro, I would seriously consider hiplop and lane.
I would weakly consider Persivul and flubber for now.

-EP

So like after all that work, why not vote for someone?

[Shiro]

@Ice

He is kind of voting me ? Like how did you miss that ?

[Shiro]

Hey Shiro. Care to address the other parts of my post you quoted?

Max isn't a specific post I didn't answer that because I answered it to him. Thought you caught that post.

Hiplop I am just not feeling the scum vibes you know ? I mean he could be easily jumping to my wagon instead of attracting as much attention as he is doing but he doesn't. All aroudn I find his approach to the game coming from town.

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@Ice

He is kind of voting me ? Like how did you miss that ?

Did you read any of the post I quoted?

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Hiplop is playing better than I've previously seen

Oh dear.

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@Ice

He is kind of voting me ? Like how did you miss that ?

Did you read any of the post I quoted?

you didn't make a good point. who cares if he didn't change the vote?

firebringer brought up the fact that you make really surface-level, crappy comments and upon inspection of your iso that's....

true

do you have anything... good?

The point of putting effort into the game and evaluating players is to vote for scum.

It's a waste of time if you don't do that, or it means you were reading for a different purpose.

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Shiro's bizarre defense is strange because the post also doesn't contain continued justification for a push on Shiro.

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The point of putting effort into the game and evaluating players is to vote for scum.

It's a waste of time if you don't do that, or it means you were reading for a different purpose.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

platitudes

Ask a stupid question, etc.

[Shiro]

Damn persi. I am top wagon here and and you have no opinion on me?

[Iecerint]

Unvote; Vote: Specter Deflectors

AM: Specter Deflectors

I think they are most likely to flip scum. I think their posts suggest broad attention to the game that is designed to offend no one. The reasoning for scumplayers that they're pushing with relative conviction is disproportionate to evident depth of thought about those players (e.g., the case on hiplop is that they have a good, unrealistic idea but may be scum; other players are kinda scummy but may be town, etc).

I don't think they will be lynched today, so I'm putting my AM here for now.

I don't think Shiro is scum. He's kind of temperamental, but I think that's more likely to be town than scum, especially while the lynch is not a foregone conclusion.

I don't know anyone's meta.

[Shiro]

I haven't said anything either

What makes persi so special?

He mentioned me by name obviously

[Shiro]

So?

That's it, that why I asked him and jot you.

[Shiro]

I never before been lynched day 1.

Not gonna let it happen either (Hopefully)

Not gonna wait for intent.

I am Cynognathus crateronotus VT.

But 1 of my first mutations is 1 shot weak fruit vendor. I can confirm one person next night if you let me live or take q bullet if scum want to kill me since as a role itself it is pretty weak.

If yiu don't feel like sparing me though

Scum is spectre,cakez and probably Hellhound. Fire should be pretty aware that I am town from how much we play together bit stays suspiciously silent about me letting only anti interact or speak for my slot.

I am probably wrong on one of them because pretty ballsy for all scum to be on me.

Pretty shitty you guys opt for compromise lynch, it worse that some people like spectre pretend there is an actual case like Errant going. Oh the reaction to the case was horrible.

Buddy please. Pray tell why? Did you expect a wall explaining the why's? I I answered a bleh case with honesty.

But you can't really explain why ot was horrible and just make walls talking about everyone with not much substance to them.

Errant I saw you as town with the inability to talk in saga and you were 10 times better than here.

Shame though because if I die nobody listens to the dead.

[Shiro]

Like honest truth I am not nearly as much engaged here as other game, don't really know why.

@Hiplop You are the only person here seeing how horrible this is, so do me a favour. If I get lynched quote my above post first thing day 2 and push spectre.

[Shiro]

Hiplop could be scum whiteknighing me now tgat I think about it but tgat is a thought for later.

P.edit

I tend to be engaged than engage people fire. I found it odd that yiu made no mention on any of that. You are my weakest scumread anyway.

[Shiro]

Because tgat how I feel. Max posts have that getting nothing out of them vibe amd Errant is being static without actually explaining much of what he thinks.

Read his two read posts. What do they tell you? Nothing, he says EAP looks town because of interaction with Hellhound. Like what does that even mean.

He is saying cakez is town for transparency and not survivalist thoughts when he expressed to want to claim so his my joke claim doesn't seem like a lie and let alone never actually delivering on that.

His read on me is all over the place. He first says that he can see ot as both ways but then goes saying I warrant a vote because my response wasn't satisfying. Never actually engaging what he didn't find satisfying. He unvoted later then revotes me for post 500 without actually engaging me about the post saying only that he will talk with max about it but we never heard anything about that.

Oh he also said he didn't like my cakez push because...... Still there.

He is dumping indo amd superficial thought on the thread but jot really engaging anyone about anything. He is faking presence.

[Shiro]

Hiplop unless I am being duped and be is wking me and flubber.

I am pretty positive this is town flubber

[Shiro]

I have had 4 games with flubs if I am not mistaken. Once he was town the rest scum. When scum he doesn't engage people like he does here. Participates far less, stays in the shadows. Unless he did a 180 change in play style I am positive.

Hiplop I just don't feel like he is scum. Like his defense of me is weird, his antagonist approach is weird. He doesn't feel like scum acting it up.

[Iecerint]

VOTE: Shiro
We need to consolidate and Shiro is not giving me town vibes at all compared to when I've been town with here before (Basic uPick micro).

Antimutagen: Hiplop

This slot is still p bad. Him shooting down the Shiro wagon is terrible.

This is a post that says "I basically want to lynch any popular wagon."

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Was going to say that I preferred hiplop to Shiro.

Shiro's VT claim means Shiro should be the lynch.

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So, I'm inclined to hammer Shiro to get abilities, but the AM on hiplop has no function if we hammer right now as he's not voting Shiro, and I can't change the AM to a player on the Shiro wagon right now. We would need 3 AMs on someone to make it not-hiplop because he has 2 votes, and earliest maximum wins with ties.

I'll hammer Shiro before deadline if no one else changes AM. It might be wise to change your AM to your least favorite player on the Shiro wagon (plus me, plus whoever you suspect will snake in and hammer), unless you just think the Shiro wagon is all town.