Mini 1828 : Akame Ga Kill Mafia (Game Over ?!)

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/confucious

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i read the manga and i cant remember my character

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he was really quick to die i guess

VOTE: niceunice

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Triggered that you can't spell our name right.

VOTE: Nosferatu

its not a mistake.

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Would like to throw in a note.

We, as a hydra, have not watched this anime, be gentle. If there's anything flavor related in this game, please do explain it to us.

its shit anyway so its fine the gist of it is: everyone dies.

its like a contrived shakespeare tragedy.

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At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels.

I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

Hello double standard.

I think its easier to read Piss when he is not in the spotlight.

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At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels. I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

I keep reading Liquid Nitrogen as bad town (or

really

bad scum) but this post makes me even more sure of it right now. The post that got this started was lame, because we already were told flavor won't matter for finding out who is town or not ("2. Flavor wise the game is not Night Raid vs Jaegers"). Pointing out that the post was lame should have been the end of the conversation but instead Liquid Nitrogen just gets really defensive. In fact, a quick read of just these few pages shows that Nitrogen has been posting a lot but not really saying much, switching between flavor fluff and inappropriately defensive responses. It's getting conversation going but it's not exactly helpful.

how is that bad town rather than scummy af?

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I swear to God if the massive quote pyramid continues i will smack someone

^

I think this convo seems TvT looking rather superficially. Not seeing anything that makes me want to look deeper into these horribly formatted paragraphs either.

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arguments between wallposters are the worst smh

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wgeurts
Vedith
NavyCherub
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Niceuniceu
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AlpacaAlpaca
randomidget
Nosferatu
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DiamondSentinel
Liquid Nitrogen (Raskolnikov + LicketyQuickety)
RyanK
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pisskop
Kraska77

vote: kraska77

Have you derived any associatives from the LN v wgeurts fight, e.g. TvT, TVs, etc?

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VOTE: Maxous

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Wait..
UNVOTE: maxous

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Youre actively hurting the game by your continued participation.

Shut the fuck up for once.

Apparently you're failing to realize that you're actively hurting the game by your continued participation. I guess I've seen enough from you. Time to make my point.

so what's your point?

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The research took much more faster then I thought it would. Now, for the point.

I read pisskop's posts in a previous game when he was town, it looked nothing like how he's playing now. He gave a lot of reads and questioned people, and didn't react to questions concerning his reads the way he did here.

Apparently the object for this refraction isn't bright enough...

VOTE: RyanK

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VOTE: Maxous

Wait..
UNVOTE: maxous

what happened

I re-read his ISO about four times and decided to stop voting him because I couldn't decide. I wanted to be extra mysterious about it so I implied importance but you asked... so... yeah. I decided slot was nullscum and decided to revisit later.

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I re-read his ISO about four times and decided to stop voting him because I couldn't decide. I wanted to be extra mysterious about it so I implied importance but you asked... so... yeah. I decided slot was nullscum and decided to revisit later.

I guess you're saying you're being intentionally mysterious to like bait reactions or something
but I feel like you can extrapolate based on previous days that the odds are nothing happens and no one asks here

k

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VOTE: Maxous

Wait..
UNVOTE: maxous

what happened

I re-read his ISO about four times and decided to stop voting him because I couldn't decide. I wanted to be extra mysterious about it so I implied importance but you asked... so... yeah. I decided slot was nullscum and decided to revisit later.

101 of reaction tests is you need to explain exactly what you were doing and what you learned from it.

~LQ

there's nothing to explain since a. you are the only one to react to it and b. it wasn't a reaction test. Using it as a test however I've learned that you are capable of understanding the english language, and I will proceed to hold you to that standard later on into the game.

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fuck semantics. if you're saying you were mysterious to see what would happen its that's essentially reaction testing.
though i dont know if you mean "oh thats TECHNICALLY not a reaction test" or if you actually are saying your goal was entirely different there.
but in that case feel free to clear it up!

Using it as a test however I've learned that you are capable of understanding the english language, and I will proceed to hold you to that standard later on into the game.

what is the purpose of saying this

VOTE: Maxous

Wait..
UNVOTE: maxous

what happened

I re-read his ISO about four times and decided to stop voting him because I couldn't decide. I wanted to be extra mysterious about it so I implied importance but you asked... so... yeah. I decided slot was nullscum and decided to revisit later.

101 of reaction tests is you need to explain exactly what you were doing and what you learned from it.

~LQ

there's nothing to explain since a. you are the only one to react to it and b. it wasn't a reaction test. Using it as a test however I've learned that you are capable of understanding the english language, and I will proceed to hold you to that standard later on into the game.

Don't try to pull that shit if you don't know what you are doing and clearly, you do not or you would know that a naked vote is a shitty way to get anything done.

~LQ

I didn't say I was trying to reaction test, and I never said I wanted to see what would happen. I was fucking around and you're trying to see something that's not there. Stop. I'm not saying it's "technically not", I'm not going to bullshit you with semantics, I'm going to make it clear, here and now, since you're not getting it.

It's not a reaction test.

Stop trying to analyse the nonexistent.

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I just don't want to be useful.

godly

well, what answer do you honestly expect in retort to

that

gleaming nugget?

An explanation of your opinion.

your question looks rhetorical, what would be the optimal reaction to your question? Would it actually help you tell his alignment?

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RyanK seems townie

ytho

RyanK seems townie

I disagree. I think Ryan is quasi-townie. This:

Did nothing at all in the game ping you as scummy?

Actually, LiquidNitrogen's sudden townread on wgeurts did ping me as scummy. I didn't want to keep him on guard, though.

...
What do you mean keep on guard? You're supposed to press them to sort them out
...

In the sense that it influence their answers.

Is prolly the towniest thing he has done all game.

or a townie excuse for his lack of stances or doing anything useful

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Nosferatu's 'reaction test' seems to be the most he has contributed and he asked some weird questions

Nosferatu's 'reaction test'

'reaction test'

pls

[Nosferatu]

In what way did my statement justify "my lack of stances or doing anything useful"?

"do you have any opinions whatsoever on the game at this point"
"[hedges]"
"seriously?"
"well I did think x is suspicious but I didn't want to put them on guard"

hurr durr.

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why do you think ryan is town enough to not be on your lynch list for today?

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VOTE: RyanK
would've been better on ryan but ok

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I think LN is town but if it helps you guys realize it too, I'm cool with putting pressure on him.

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Alpaca is probably telling the truth.
We can just confirm him tonight. As it stands we should be lynching someone.

Why should we?

bruh

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Alpaca is probably telling the truth.
We can just confirm him tonight. As it stands we should be lynching someone.

Why should we?

Are you asking why we should lynch someone or why we should check me

I'm asking why should we lynch.

because lynching affords us a chance to get scum, while night kills won't?

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lynching also allows for VCA later in the game?
there's also just straight information gain.

I don't see a reason not to.

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So, nosferatu I have some legitimate problems with, but I'm not sure if it'll be worth trying to push him if no one else cares.

could you go ahead and articulate these issues, it's kinda shitty to throw shade while elaborating on literally everyone else but the one you have problems with.

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Ok, someone give me the 411?

ryan is scum, max might be scum, and my gut says LN is town from his reaction to his lynch and the fight with wguerts didn't seem TvS. I don't really remember the fight much but that's the main reason for most of the scum reads on him, and I think I'll probably be re-reading it.

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could you go ahead and articulate these issues, it's kinda shitty to throw shade while elaborating on literally everyone else but the one you have problems with.

For some reason I thought I already did.

I didn't like your tone talking to you and I don't like your 649 "if it helps you guys realise it too". That would be bizarre in any context but our slot would suggest being more bait-y than something you could say that about. You scumread ryan but he's a very easy target and your view could easily be fake and you're like nonexistent before that (which prompted our exchange). ATM, not particularly trying to get anyone off your townread and onto ryan. To be fair your actions are technically more lazy than necessarily scum and kraska felt similar, so logically not cut-and-dry but still. Gut doesn't like you though.

I'm generally condescending and I just assume you guys will reach the same conclusions as I do after enough time, so I figured with enough pressure on your slot you'd just townslip really obviously and everyone would see the error in their ways but it's turning out making you the default lynch, which is actually not ideal.

Ok, we have less than 24 hours. We need a lynch, and unfortunately it looks like my vote is needed.

VOTE: Liquid Nitrogen

This practically screams DS knows LN is town.

What about nos outright saying ln are town and that a lynch there will help us see the light?

Pressure ≠ Lynch

VOTE: DS
I'd rather a null read than a town read.

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VOTE: Ryank

Unless anyone counterclaims akame (or maybe commuter).

^ This is my preferred if we have enough consensus for it.

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We're neighbours according the role PM. Anyway, what's so scummy about Titus?

Phew, I thought you weren't scum for a sec

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So, looks like I'm the lynch today.

Once I flip town, Titus will, regardless of whatever bullshit she spews, be the lynch. She came in and strong armed this shitty ass lynch on me.

She has lied about "slips". She has lied about her "mason chat". She has set up false argument after false argument against me that I am scum for ridiculous reasons.

It's a fact that we have a day and night chat.

Ok. Is it a masonry or not?

that question has been answered by the fact that he claims to have a "neighbor" role PM

[Nosferatu]

Hey guys
Let's lynch navy

ytho

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could we not, like stall the day out until deadline

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If you are voting him purely for kraska not liking him thn going with that logic you could just as easliy be trying to get a Navy roleclaim which seems pretty reachy. What I want to hear about is if anyone get any results on people last night.

What?
What kind of logic is this?

No, its pretty simple. I don't care what Navy claims as a role. He is scummy because the person who pushed him the most is now dead.
I don't see any other reason to kill Kraska. She already used a vig.

I want to hear from Ryan before we proceed. No one claims till he speaks w me.

why are those two related

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ah what the hell

VOTE: Alpaca

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"FA is scum"
"You think the other claims are scum then?"
"well you're buddies so"
"ytho"
"why does it matter"
"the fuck"
"scum conf"

Titus wtf

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that should make L-2

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: FA

Im not sure this venge is even in our hands.

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VOTE: Rem
Second confirmed scum going by my night actions.

how is that?

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Vedith claimed a guilty on firebringer as well yesterday. I remember seeing the posts though I forgot and mixed it up with maxous towards the end of the day.

the same fire who had a reflexive vanillizer role?

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LN or Nos are the final scum.
I'll explain my role after the Rem lynch.

how is rem scum if you targeted FA two nights ago?

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how is rem scum if you targeted FA two nights ago?

I didn't target FA 2 nights ago.
But this comment means that Nos is probably the 3rd scum. I guess scum thought I was VT now so they didn't kill me.
People can either believe me that Rem is confirmed guilty considering I already confirmed FA as scum (which he was) or they can sit down and jerk each other off.

VOTE: Vedith

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I thought you claimed the guilty on Rem yesterday...

Show me.
I claimed a guilty on Fire, and guess what, he was scum.

Literally fake claiming guilties, bussing scum, lynch, move on.

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Literally fake claiming guilties, bussing scum, lynch, move on.

So I bussed both of my buddies?
I mean, there's bussing, and there's giving 2 guilty on my buddies.

That's a possibility, but I was tending towards you trying to get rem out of the way since Titus has been hyping up her role.

I don't trust your guilty at all, especially since you claim a guilty on someone you didn't even target

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I don't trust your guilty at all, especially since you claim a guilty on someone you didn't even target

My action is during the day with a night result you fucktard.

Let me get this fucking straight. What you're telling me is, that you're a daycop that magically bypassed FA's reflexive action to target the apparent Mason, who so far is doing exactly what Titus said was going to happen?

There is no measure for my disbelief at this shit.

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I don't trust your guilty at all, especially since you claim a guilty on someone you didn't even target

My action is during the day with a night result you fucktard.

Let me get this fucking straight. What you're telling me is, that you're a daycop that magically bypassed FA's reflexive action to target the apparent Mason, who so far is doing exactly what Titus said was going to happen?

There is no measure for my disbelief at this shit.

I already said it's not cop. Learn to read, Nos.
This is just scum flailing right now.

Also, mod would never give a non mason confirmed flavour of their neighbor and character name.
I can grantee that Titus is lying about knowing who Rem is and the flavour.

Regardless, Titus is a terrible lynch because stupid Titus = town Titus.

VOTE: Nos

I've played with titus, she doesn't outright lie about game mechanics just cause. You have some form of investigative/informative ability, that much is clear, call it what you want, day cop, day tracker, day watcher, who cares. There is no way, AND I MEAN NONE, that you bypassed FA's ability. You targeted him D1 and got your result N1 and announced it D2. D1 you lost your fucking role. End of story. It's reflexive! BP's don't suddenly not work against day vigs cause they're resolved at different times,

you target a reflexive vanillizer, you get vanilized.

there is no way you targeted FA and then got a result on Rem. I say this with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that you are bullshitting, unless the mod confirms that FA's role doesn't work on an ability activated in the Day.

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VOTE: Fire Assassin

What did you do

last night

, huh?!
HUH?!

Can I claim?

What is the point of this post?

It was a joke.
However, I will full

claim

once Fire claims his

night actions

. Basically I have a confirmed guilty on him depending on what he done.

VOTE: Rem

Second

confirmed scum

going by my night actions

.

ye ok bud

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Considering that's what I do to Fire every game I think he's scum.
Once again Nos. Read my comments. I do my ability during the day, I get my result at night. I didn't target Fire.
If you are struggling to read my comments correctly, I'll hand you some crayons and we can draw a picture together?

your ability doesn't target anyone? You just snap your fingers during the day and the mod hands you scum at night?

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Considering that's what I do to Fire every game I think he's scum.
Once again Nos. Read my comments. I do my ability during the day, I get my result at night. I didn't target Fire.
If you are struggling to read my comments correctly, I'll hand you some crayons and we can draw a picture together?

your ability doesn't target anyone? You just snap your fingers during the day and the mod hands you scum at night?

I didn't say it doesn't target anyone.
Now making things up to try and save yourself?

you are so idiotic that I legitimately laughed right here

you've been incessantly repeating that you didn't target FA but you got a result from him? Do you see how immensely moronic that is?

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you are so idiotic that I legitimately laughed right here

you've been incessantly repeating that you didn't target FA but you got a result from him? Do you see how immensely moronic that is?

I got information which highly suggested that he was guilty.
Him trying to call me scum just proved it was right.
Keep trying though solider!

There is literally zero logical explanations for what you're saying rn. You haven't claimed to have any info on rem, you just claimed a guilty. Nothing like with FA. It doesn't make sense at all.

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Why are you so lazy here? I vaguely remember seeing a game where you were town leader and people were like sheeping you.

I think you're remembering his scum play.

[Nosferatu]

@mod: I'm voting Vedith

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VOTE: Nosferatu
Let's get a role claim.

Literally no reason for this.

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Stop voting Titus people. It's stupid. If she's town and right, you're killing two townies at once.

Let's get the actual scum please.

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Stop voting Titus people. It's stupid. If she's town and right, you're killing two townies at once.

Let's get the actual scum please.

It's either you or Piss.
If you're actually town, you should be looking into Piss right now, but I don't see much of that.

or you're scum and wrong.

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I think you're remembering his scum play.

So is you saying that Piss is a lurker as town and pushes well as scum with people sheeping him?
How much experience have you got with Piss?

as town he doesn't become a dominant force in the game directing conversation.

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Hey. If scum were to kill Alpaca(assuming he's town), wouldn't rem be physically unkillable then? You can't lynch both titus and rem in one day. Is it really possible scum could be in the game that relies on vig being alive?

rem can't revive titus can she?

Say there is a 5p or 3p LYLO and rem is scum. Isn't the game unwinnable then?

Alpaca's vig is ridiculously gated too. In a scenario where alpaca died at night(assuming he's town), the game would be never be winnable?

but how sure are you that she's scum?

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VOTE: Vedith
just read mod post

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as town he doesn't become a dominant force in the game directing conversation.

He doesn't as scum either from what I remember.
Last 3 games you were in with Piss (if you remember of course, otherwise I'll check)?

idr any scum games with him but I think I've had 3 or 4 town games with him

idk maybe I don't have experience with town!piss but it seems like he's just demotivated by the game atm

[Nosferatu]

*scum!piss

[Nosferatu]

idk maybe I don't have experience with town!piss but it seems like he's just demotivated by the game atm

What makes you think he seems demotivated?
This kind of conflicts with your earlier argument.

he's lurking and not doing shit? Even scum pk is involved.

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I also dislike nos defending my play so much.

dont you get tired of explaining it nos?

y r u interested in nos' read on me; exploring it in lengthy, multipage detail instead of fucking playing mafia?

His read on you makes no sense.
He's trying to buddy you, and you should be better than this to see it.

tfw a townread is apparently buddying and voicing it is defending him

is this still fucking mafia

[Nosferatu]

What is nos getting from the convo

nos keeps continuing it because vedith keeps continuing it.

[Nosferatu]

also this isn't a conversation, its 3 posts wtf

[Nosferatu]

and you scumread vedi?

no I just push for lynches for kicks

[Nosferatu]

nosferatu are you actually scumreading vedith?
you're taking his shit and not dealing anything back

You mean that I'm not blowing up at every fucking post he makes? No. I've argued sufficiently and he's just going to keep spouting the same bullshit.

[Nosferatu]

Vedith's town unless someone counterclaims an investigative.

he's not an investigative. He's said so himself.

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Vedith's town unless someone counterclaims an investigative.

he's not an investigative. He's said so himself.

You aren't reading closely for details.

Vedith said they weren't a cop.

I wholeheartedly believe they are an investigative who got a guilty on Firebringer.

Pisskop's play towards getting Vedith to claim looks like scum distancing themselves from what they know is terribad.

I think it is Pisskop+Nos GG no re.

Want Nos first I think but debating which.

I'd say you aren't reading closely for details. If he's an investigative, then he targeted FB, which means this guilty can't be true.
In other words he's some sort of informative role who derived a guilty somehow without targeting him, and during D1, which is highly improbable, and vedith refuses to tell us the means by which he found his guilty.

Both cases Vedith is hella sketchy.

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So Vedith lied because he had to have his way. Spoiled brat play is annoying. Rem is not scum based on my role. How about doing a little hunting to reveal any mystical oddness next time Vedith?

VOTE: Nos

or he lied because he's scum??
get your vote back on tbh

[Nosferatu]

lets go back to how vedith argued I'm scum and dismissed my points when I called bullshit on his actual bullshit

[Nosferatu]

lets go back to how vedith argued I'm scum and dismissed my points when I called bullshit on his actual bullshit

But you had no points. Just got annoys when you thought I still had powers.

no, you were bullshitting a guilty to get a lynch, a tactic that can only logically be used by scum. You are scum, and I fully intend on lynching that.

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You afraid of having both scum on my wagon, come on Alpaca. Vote me. Vote me. Vote me.

is this 4th grade

You and Nos have virtually no interaction with each other, or each other's wagons but for Nos wanting to get you a dayvig.

You form associatives between me and alpaca from out lack of associations? Have you also noticed that every single game there are people I don't talk to? If anything the lack of association between any two people, regardless of the player is null.

I feel like this claim happens way too often lol

[Nosferatu]

if it helps you sleep at night

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Vedith

[Nosferatu]

I'm going to ISO Vedith for scum buddies but I've never seen a scum vig and I don't think its likely, so I'm really looking for partners in Math or pk

[Nosferatu]

Pretty much I am at {Pisskop, Vedith} , {Vedith, Nosferatu} , {Pisskop, Nosferatu} in my reads.

in other words literally what I just said just from your perspective.

[Nosferatu]

LN or Al Paca.
LN is the obvious shout but Al Paca town with the powers we know makes less sense.

VCA is normally useless.
I vote Fire with a guilty and get called scum - this is why it's pointless to do but knock yourself out with it.

A guilty you haven't revealed any information about even after you lost the ability. Busing.

[Nosferatu]

Before you run off, you know that no-lynching is optimal?

no lynching immediately to not give scum info on who to kill would be optimal, if Vedith hadn't scumclaimed.

Now that he has, the optimal scenario is now lynching him.

[Nosferatu]

wait, I'm confused as to how we're thinking alpaca is scum. Literally dayvig. When the fuck have you ever seen a scum day vig.

[Nosferatu]

nice