Mini 1808 - Yuri: the Purest Form of Love (End)

[Firebringer]

Yeah, that made zero sense.
Scum want a stalemate....or at least they don't want their town half to self hammer

[Nahdia]

everyone believed the scum with in the other pair. obviously, hammering your own pair clears yourself as scum. but once you do, the game is over, so it doesn't matter.

Aihara believed I was town. the fact that I wasn't self-hammered our pair was moot because beeboy and inspector weren't self-hammering either. and once one of them did, the game ended.

[Ircher]

Wait, nvm.

[zMuffinMan]

How do you not notice you are repeating the prblem with the solution?
you saying the problem is that first pair votes the other pair wins.
then your proposed solution ensures that happens FASTER.
As in first pair votes other pair game auto ends. That doesn't solve issue of "Pair votes other pair and then we have to wait for deadline".

either you're confused or you don't really understand what the problem is

the problem with the current setup is the stalemate issue and how it's resolved

the suggested solution removes that issue...

Players have to lynch someone, or they risk abandoning the game. I have yet to see a single game where players abandon the game simply because they couldn't agree to things. Yes, players can be locked in a LONG stalemate, but someone will compromise. Its happened in every game without deadlines I have seen, ever.

right, so your solution is to let the game drag on until one player decides they're going to stop being stubborn? i don't see how this is a good solution; it doesn't encourage correct decision-making, it just encourages someone saying "fuck it" and giving up on the game

I think your solution favors scum too much.

i believe it's the same odds as the current incarnation, but i haven't done the maths properly...

the current incarnation literally requires the entire town to vote correctly in a lylo situation, which means the odds aren't great to begin with

[zMuffinMan]

actually current odds are 1/3 in 4p lylo if we assume scum will never self-vote and therefore the choice of self-voting your pair comes down to one out of the three townies, suggested solution odds would be 1/4? either way, this can be adjusted for pretty easily

[zMuffinMan]

so, with the suggested setup, looking at 4p LyLo as an example:

T[1], T[2]
vs
T[3], S

if we assume that any player casting the first vote in a lylo situation is equally likely:

T[3]: 50% lose (voting other pair), 50% win (voting own pair, confirming other pair) if casting the first vote
T[1]/T[2]: 50% lose (voting own pair), 50% to take it to a situation where it's 50/50, overall: 25% win, 75% loss
S: can't self vote (confirms other pair, condemns own pair), has to vote other pair - at which point town is 25% to win, 75% to lose

i believe the odds of overall winning are just under 70% overall, which doesn't make it much worse than the odds of winning in the current setup

so

yeah

unless i'm looking at it incorrectly (which i may be), i don't think the odds of the suggested solution are much worse than the odds of the current setup and it bypasses the stalemate issue

[Randomnamechange]

The difference is that people aren't going to immediately vote due to quickhammers, which gives scum an advantage

[zMuffinMan]

... no, it doesn't...

[MathBlade]

Since LyLo is evident how about on LyLo change to N+1?

[Randomnamechange]

... no, it doesn't...

It means that scum don't have to worry about looking suspicious by jumping on people and there is a chance there is a deadline panic which could go in their favour.

[Firebringer]

I still have no idea why you wouldn't reveal your lovers in this game Math like, i need a crash course on this reasoning again, the first time around, made no sense. ANd you scumread me for wanting to out this...

[zMuffinMan]

... no, it doesn't...

It means that scum don't have to worry about looking suspicious by jumping on people and there is a chance there is a deadline panic which could go in their favour.

and this is different to a normal lylo how?

[Randomnamechange]

This game wasn't like a normal LyLo due to the forced stalemate which let to Nahdia looking scummy.

[zMuffinMan]

ok. that doesn't really relate to anything being discussed though

[pieguyn]

in theory, shouldn't town be able to get 50/50 in 4p regardless of what the voting rule is? just pick one of the two pairs randomly.

or am I misreading something?

[zMuffinMan]

if you could decide it randomly (i.e. no rule against proven randomness) and if everyone agreed to it (depends on whether each individual town player thinks it will give them better odds of winning than going with their own reads), sure, i guess