Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[Infinity 324]

Ok, the mollie thing wasn't the main issue though. I wanted you to elaborate on your scumread on me, and your thoughts on staeg. (1412)

[pirate mollie]

I'm actually pretty sure that Kagami is town and you can trust her - I also don't really scumread drealmerz even if he is spazzing out

In light of that, I'm trying to figure out who's scum. You're town mollie, zito had the protection thing so I'm ??? on that but prob not a lynch today, Staeg makes sense as poe scum and he hasn't done anything spectacular. Infinity would be the easy vote. Nacho makes sense as scum

look

plz listen to me

dreamz is scumflailing. there are no ifs ands or whats about it. even if you think he is town is this some1 you want to trust with your wc in endgame? if he is town he will be endgame and I suspect if he is town he will be endgamed and will either get lynched or vote wrong. I think he is scum.

kagami said in our pt that she thought that you and dreamz were obvsly crumbing

so why is she not backing you up in this thread? why did she push for a zito lynch when he was attending a funeral and taking care of a sick child only to give a pass to nacho who has no excuse based on a reach out that he has said he has not given?

<---these are things you REALLY NEED to think about.

I am likely not going to move my vote unless zito asks me too. the suspicion on you is shit. apparently every1 must think that I am the stupidest person to ever play mafia cos the only 2 pple who are even vaguely listening to me about dunn are desperado and zito.

those 2 are the only 1s who have a grip on the game as far as I can see.

@ kagami - I don't give a shit what you say about me. this all started cos I did not buy into your really bad zito push before he had a chance to explain. period. end of story. if you are gonna be this big of a baby regardless of your alignment then I am done with you. you said you wanted to try to communicate in the pt but abandoned the second I made it clear that I wasn't gonna follow you. I feel REALLY FREAKING MANIPULATED BY YOU and you are 100% projecting your suspicions on dunn, cos the suspicions you have given make way more sense coming from you then they do from him.

[pirate mollie]

i just want her to come back and play with me

sorry desp. there is zero point in playing when I can't about key things cos I am still unsure about a little things and I doubt any1 wld listen to me if I did cos they certainly are not listening to me now.

[Kagami]

If you think I'm being a baby here, then I don't know how to help you.

I don't get how you could feasibly feel manipulated by me when you demonstrated absolutely zero interest in my thoughts in what was an extremely well-intentioned reachout.

[Kagami]

I open a PT for you which you requested, I post walls of thoughts about what's going on, I get jumped on because one theory I presented included Dunn being scum, which you are certain is false for reasons that I couldn't possibly have been aware of at the time.

[Kagami]

And I didn't know zito had a legitimate excuse to vanish at the time.

When he did show up and presented an excuse, it was about his kid being sick. I don't know where the funeral thing came from. Funeral I'd have probably been less skeptical about if that's correct. (and when I say skeptical, I mean skeptical that it's mafia-halting; e.g. my older child happens to be sick too, atm)

[pirate mollie]

If you think I'm being a baby here, then I don't know how to help you.

I don't get how you could feasibly feel manipulated by me when you demonstrated absolutely zero interest in my thoughts in what was an extremely well-intentioned reachout.

yeah I guess me telling you that I wanted to work things out with you and if this was a miscommunication we cld clear it up and in response you abandoned the pt only to throw shade on dunn, pursue your push on zito, give nacho an excuse to slide when he did not deserve 1 and let every1 know that you gave the orb to me while acting deaf and mute to everything that I was saying, was me ignoring your "reach out".

eta: you opened a pt which you only wanted to be a part of if I agreed with you.

[Kagami]

I'm going to pursue this in the PT.

[Desperado]

sorry desp. there is zero point in playing when I can't about key things cos I am still unsure about a little things and I doubt any1 wld listen to me if I did cos they certainly are not listening to me now.

Yes, I can see there's a lot of OOG stuff that is affecting in game attitudes and perspectives, which is leaving half the player list paranoid as fuck and the other half left out because they aren't involved.

Can you work with me on infinity? The longer the game goes on the clearer the picture will come for everyone involved. Infinity should have been lynched D1 but Spyrex/Camn happened and there was all sorts of stuff being discussed that no one was openly talking about--but that stuff is out in the open now. We can move forward constructively, I promise.

[drealmerz7]

I'm actually a decent player and will be fine in end game (I actually am quite good at it)

quit with the fear-mongering and play straight

[Kagami]

I nom Dunn for hammerer.

[Infinity 324]

Ok about staeg.

1. Which of his reasons do you take issue with and why

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I took issue with him criticizing me for not engaging with people in a deep enough way when he didn't engage with me much at all despite me being one of his top scumreads. Not only that, his engagements with people don't seem hugely substantial to me either--like he asks questions and sometimes follows up, but mainly he's just commenting on stuff in his own world. Somewhat like me, to be honest.

And the issues with 1119 seemed very shallow and nitpicky. Overall this makes me think he put off explaining his reasons for scumreading me because...they weren't really good ones.

2. What things are he focused on and why don't you like them

Well there's the stuff I mentioned in 534 where he fluffed early on, and he seems to be making a habit of making bigger issues out of smaller issues. Like I'm not really seeing town coming into the thread and immediately jumping to the things staeg jumps to, it's more likely he's just trying to find things to comment on. A few examples:

Spoiler:

Dunn: two questions for you. First, to what extent is your scumread on nacho based on your orb-hunting theory?
Second -

My theory is that scum started with at least 1 fragment so they'd know what's going on

When did you come up with this theory?

Dunn, no. You said you had a theory. When did you come up with it? Did you have it in mind when doing the cheeki breeki dance with dreal on day1?

(and continuing this line of thought for a while...)

Mollie, yes or no: were the votes on dreal yesterday based on "playstyle issues"?

What do people think about camn calling every one of my posts scum

meh.

elaborate as to why you think that is unlikely

Do you have anything else to add to the thread other than this?

Anyway, Dunn, that judgement is... wrong. I was hoping that it would boil down to something other than this--

Dunn what's up with your vote?

Wait, dunn, am I poe scum or a prime lynch target?

3. Can you give examples of his "empty posts"

These are ok examples, but it's more of a general tone thing in all his posts as opposed to anything specific I can point to.

Spoiler:

@staeg I don't think you ever explained your scumread on me. Can you do so?

Your engagement with other people has been superficial - your questions, whether they are answered or not, do not seem to affect anything. You didn't seem bothered by me repeatedly ignoring your requests for reads, for example, while I am conveniently sitting in a "leaning scum but can't really tell" position since... the start of the game, from what I can tell.

Other than that, there's ancient history which you've allegedly caught too much flak for already (133); 932 was overexplained in a fairly paranoid way, your posts during the VC fiesta at the end of d1 rubbed me the wrong way and 1119 was seven kinds of evil - you start off d2 after a no lynch day 1 with no stances, no opinions, nothing you can be called out on - just a "hehe guys I am just as clueless as you are about the situation, this is unfortunate!" along with an esoteric "things will be looked into". What things did you look into? Why did you feel the need to even post that?

Staeg, what is your read on me, mlem mlem? I don't believe that people getting pushed for bad reasons make them town and you're more than experienced enough to know that's not a real way to read someone, mlem mlem.

Leaning town. I've liked your stances for pretty much the entire game, although I do not follow your tune beat for beat. I do not find your early d1 nonpresence scummy, either.
In general, yes, bad points don't make the accused town, but in some exception cases - like this one, where Dunn's only previous mention of you was two votes in the past, and now, on day 2, he comes on hard with loads of words that do not represent one coherent bit of information - it signals that there is no better fuel to throw into the engine.

It makes me feel uncomfortable with Dunn to boot. I would want to give him points for coming out of the gate, guns blazing, with information about the orb mechanism, but it would probably have ended up in the open during the course of day 2 anyway.

Dunn: two questions for you. First, to what extent is your scumread on nacho based on your orb-hunting theory?
Second -

My theory is that scum started with at least 1 fragment so they'd know what's going on

When did you come up with this theory?

Spyrex/camntsuki/other pokemons who have played in previous Fate-games: what lead you to believe that the VC thing was role-related and not another one of Fate's fanciful flourishes?

47-49 is burnworthy stuff

there is something missing from this post can you spot it

Don't you see it?

SED what do you think about these votecount shenanigens

Dunnstral - why ask this of "SED" in particular? Did you expect him to have specific information on these "shenanigens"?

Infinity wagon is good but dunnstral votes are better.

Yes. Me. Whiteknighting. On page 1. Of course. Yes. You got me.

SAD is a sad, grumpy man.

VOTE: pirate mollie

Is the wk accusation the main reason why you're voting mollie?

you didn't roll the second R in heartbreaking!

Is this important?

[Infinity 324]

I nom Dunn for hammerer.

You are infuriating

[Kagami]

I will admit that I'm not enjoying this game as much as I thought I would.

I would love for nacho to show up again with the mlem mlems and territoriality. That's been my favorite part.

[Infinity 324]

I wanted you to elaborate on your scumread on me, and your thoughts on staeg. (1412)

Dear Kagami,

Please respond to this.

Sincerely,
Infinity 324

[pirate mollie]

sorry desp. there is zero point in playing when I can't about key things cos I am still unsure about a little things and I doubt any1 wld listen to me if I did cos they certainly are not listening to me now.

Yes, I can see there's a lot of OOG stuff that is affecting in game attitudes and perspectives, which is leaving half the player list paranoid as fuck and the other half left out because they aren't involved.

Can you work with me on infinity? The longer the game goes on the clearer the picture will come for everyone involved. Infinity should have been lynched D1 but Spyrex/Camn happened and there was all sorts of stuff being discussed that no one was openly talking about--but that stuff is out in the open now. We can move forward constructively, I promise.

okay, I will help you with infinity. there are some things I still need to sort tho but I will, I promise.

[Nahdia]

idk kagami im having some second thoughts about infinity and would kind of prefer staeg but also yolo.

[Desperado]

If you think about something long enough, second thoughts are all that's left.

[Desperado]

- Winston Churchill

[Nahdia]

well put.

[Dunnstral]

Wait, dunn, am I poe scum or a prime lynch target?

both? I'm not that sure on anyone being scum this game

[Dunnstral]

Deadline: January 21st, 11am EST

[Dunnstral]

Do we have any real objections to the Infinity lynch?

I'm going to actual vote him, and we should probably designate a hammerer.

Hold on, still thinking if this is the right choice....

Also if we're doing this, infinity would need to claim first. Roles don't flip with info, too, so it's extra important

[Papa Zito]

I don't have objections per se but I'd like to know what he's being lynched for.

[Nachomamma8]

The story I’m about to tell you, originally told by the Buddha in a sutra, concerns a Zen Master who, while out walking one day, is confronted by a ferocious, man-eating tiger, mlem mlem. He slowly backs away from the animal, only to find that he is trapped at the edge of a high cliff; the tiger snarls with hunger, and pursues the Master, mlem mlem. His only hope of escape is to suspend himself over the abyss by holding onto a vine that grows at its edge, mlem mlem. As the Master dangles from the cliff, two mice – one white and one black – begin to gnaw on the vine he is clutching on, mlem mlem. If he climbs back up, the tiger will surely devour him, if he stays then there is the certain death of a long fall onto the jagged rocks, mlem mlem. The slender vine begins to give way, and death is imminent, mlem mlem. Just then the precariously suspended Zen Master notices a lovely ripe wild strawberry growing along the cliff’s edge, mlem mlem. He plucks the succulent berry and pops it into his mouth, mlem mlem. He is heard to say: “This lovely strawberry, how sweet it tastes.”, mlem mlem.