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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:37 am

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Yeah I skimmed a few pages

SirCakez / dreamerz7 and Vaxkiller are my strongest picks for scum at the moment.

VOTE: dreamerz7 Want to go back to bussing Vax? You're not getting me lynched if mastina and Nacho are both in my pockets. Nacho is still confirmed scum but no one seems to care so I'll just say I told you so after he kills me off N1 or N2
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:45 am

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you are missing an "l"

that opens a whole reaLm when you use it!
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:08 am

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In post 711, Fate wrote:Ok so who are the TOWN on my wagon?

Scum keep piling on

Need some level headed townies to chime in

Tammy replacing out fucks the balance of competent townies a lot.

I might have to work with Nacho scum at this rate
This post is so awful lol
You actually think that everyone voting you is scum?
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:10 am

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Funny story, they are. I directed my minions to focus fire.
"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"

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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:34 am

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VOTE COUNT 1 . 9
  • Secret Agent Jin ---
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    BTD6_MAKER ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    TheRealGin-N-Tonic -
    4 ( Monokuma, Prism, Secret Agent Jin, mastina, )
    L- 3

    Nachomamma8 --------
    1 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, )
    L- 6

    Fate ---------------
    3 ( Aeronaut, Aristophanes, Vaxkiller, )
    L- 4

    drealmerz7 ---------
    1 ( Fate, )
    L- 6

    Monokuma -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    mastina ------------
    3 ( drealmerz7, SirCakez, BTD6_MAKER, )
    L- 4

    Aeronaut -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Prism --------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    SirCakez -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Vaxkiller ----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aristophanes -------
    0 ( )
    L- 7


    Not Voting -
    1 ( Nachomamma8, Pine )

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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:38 am

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Pardon, my vote is on Tammy. I insist that it be recorded properly.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:46 am

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So that vote count just reminded me that my vote is on Nacho, the other thing about that vote is because I concurred with Mastin after she made roughly 50 actual posts explaining why Nacho is scum.

My question here is, after what can only be described as setting up a death tunnel against Nacho, why is it that it took one post from Nacho to erase all of that hard work she presented as to why Nacho=scum?
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:33 pm

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In post 666, BTD6_maker wrote:Wouldn't this be using the "too scummy to be scum" fallacy?
No, your reading comprehension needs some work.
SirCakez isn't town because he's too scummy to be scum.
SirCakez is town because while his actions are scummy, there's no reason for them to come from scum.
Sometimes, scummy players are just actually scum. But when so, their scummy posting has scum reasoning attached to it. SirCakez lacks that.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:39 pm

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In post 669, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Okay, now the next step in this process, how does telling you all that help push a scum agenda?
There are three (not mutually exclusive, in fact they're pretty inclusive) reasons why you would post those things:
-Pride: you have already admitted that you take great amounts in your scumgame, so boasting about it even as you are playing it is not something you are above doing.
-Arrogance: you don't think talking about your scumgame can make a player catch you in your scumgame, because you assume players will miss the important parts and go on a wild goose chase, ignoring the actually telling hints you give. In short, you can explain to the town exactly what you are doing, and they won't see you doing it, at least that's your assumption.
-Pragmatism, and the actual game advantage to have done so. Rather than being part of your ego as the above two are, this one serves to grant you an in-game advantage. The things you have shared and talked about are not things which only you could give. Anyone who bothered to do their research could dig up the evidence you yourself provide. Anyone could make the points you yourself have made. But by having made the points, by having offered the research, you'd hope that would make you look town. And failing that? If people didn't assume you looked town, you can force the issue...by asking the question you just did, right here and now.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:43 pm

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In post 670, Monokuma wrote:Oh?
Can confirm. The difference between me knowing a player is town and "knowing" a player is town is zilch when it comes to casing. The telling part isn't so much in what I say (which would be the same), but how much I want to say it: there's different attitudes as town and as scum behind it. As scum, my attitude is that I don't actually care, or even want that mislynch to go through. As town, I might be apathetic enough to let the lynch go through (which is similar to scum), or I might want the lynch to go through partially out of spite so that I get to claim "I told you so" (which is vaguely similar to scum), or I might show incredible frustration and fight every step of the way (which isn't scum).

The actual words I say might not change much, if at all. The tone driving them, the attitude behind my push, will, depending on my mood and my alignment.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:45 pm

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In post 675, Monokuma wrote:so we figured there must be SOMETHING you saw, some super amazing secret magic way of reading mastina and you're holding out on us.
I mean, I can tell you the secret to reading me, but that'd spoil Nacho's chance to do the same properly.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:46 pm

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When did mastina start townreading Nacho Gin?
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:02 pm

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In post 676, Nachomamma8 wrote:This assumes that Pine wasn't smart enough to do some cursory research on the people who could be parts of his dream team, and I find that to be a pretty solidly terrible assumption to make.
Cursory research is bullshit.
Pine's not going to trust some vague secondhand glance at a game he wasn't a part of. He'd see a player as town a few times--okay. He'd see a player as scum maybe once. Okay. Now how does he gauge how useful that information is? Not being in there as things developed, his sense of context is lost. Things which were utterly brilliant in the game can come across as unimportant to a skim view. Vice-versa: things which can come across as utterly brilliant could have been the moves which condemned the scumteam to death, and a brief look at the games of those players wouldn't cut it.

If it was one or two players, maybe Pine would have the time and energy to go through this.

But with nearly half of the playerlist as unknowns to Pine, there's no way that Pine would manage it enough to form a dream team with the best of those members on it. Not enough time, too much effort, and nothing to be gained short of putting that much effort in. If Pine built his team from second-rate information, it'd be a sub-optimal team, and he knows that, because the second-rate information was...second-rate.

Pine's going to trust his own personal experience over anything else. And thus, while Pine's picks are not a foolproof scumhunting method, they are effective at augmenting the scumhunting.
Of the five (plus Monokuma) names that I named, after all, who would Pine choose? BTD6? No. Prism? Total unknown to me and presumably Pine as well. (Also, very obviously town this game, so if Prism is scum then they have a VERY good career ahead of them because it doesn't show at all.) SirCakez? Viable in theory, but in this game I can tell on read alone the answer is no and that SirCakez is town. That basically leaves you with pisskop, Vaxkiller, and Monokuma from the list of Pine's unknowns. Vaxkiller is not a strong player, and I'd rule him out for the same reasons I'd rule BTD6 out; there's nothing about him which is appealing as a scumteam member.
The only choices I can see are pisskop and Monokuma. I don't think Monokuma is scum. So that leaves, from my list, a grand total of one possible scum candidate: pisskop.

I think I was right to have said what I did. While it's not impossible Pine drew a member from there, it is incredibly improbable.
So the only role that we could be playing against is one that Pine is intimately familiar with?
Pretty much, yeah. Pine's first role for classical, easy scum role is Godfather. His second thought is Roleblocker. All those other common, fancy scum roles we know of today? Not his first thought.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:06 pm

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In post 678, SirCakez wrote:....we're going in circles
Yes, and it's a closed circle, comprised of two binaries:
Pine either made wifom picks, or optimal picks. Binary number one.
We can either choose to enter the wifom game and try to figure out the above, or we can ignore the wifom game altogether. Binary number two.

If we enter the wifom game and try to figure out the first binary, I am telling you that Pine made the optimal picks.
If we choose to ignore the wifom game altogether, then I am telling you to assume Pine made the optimal picks, because that's what fucking ignoring the wifom game entails.

You can't go "but Pine could have picked the wifom picks!" without entering into the wifom game.
Ignoring the wifom game is therefore assuming...Pine picked the optimal picks.
But if you choose to enter into the wifom game...I am telling you the answer is Pine picked the optimal picks rather than the wifom picks.

So regardless of whether you enter into the wifom game, or whether you ignore the wifom game...the answer here is to assume...Pine picked the optimal choices.

Really not that hard to understand.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 680, Nachomamma8 wrote:...and you'll have pushed the game to LyLo in order to lynch one scum for no information. Back in my day, we would have called this a "shit ass plan".
Not no information. The information of all the wagons on the flipped town versus the flipped scum, the resistances, and the sheeps, and finding which is scummy and which is not. Basic stuff like that.

Granted, only a 50% chance I personally would be alive to do this, but people would attempt it without me anyway. (I just happen to think I'd stand a better chance of success than others.)
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:13 pm

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In post 688, Pine wrote:Mastina, your new avatar is great. Don't ruin it with color.
Advice of yours I might actually take.
Compare:
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(Old avvy there for comparison.)
Or if you'd prefer, the full sketch vs. the full drawing.

I don't think the colors turned out as well as I was hoping. I love the hair, and the background's fine, but otherwise the coloring isn't quite as good as it should be in my opinion.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:17 pm

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(Yes, that's the same character. Her eyes, hair, and even skin color do in fact change. Because magical stuff, yo.)
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:25 pm

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In post 728, Pine wrote:I directed my minions to focus fire.
If you want to talk about things Pine has said which are probably true, this is one of them. I can in fact see Pine making a comment to this effect in the scum PT, telling his team to vote together, if for no other reason than to throw VCA off.

Now, just because he said it doesn't mean his team actually followed through and did it.
And just because he said it doesn't mean he said it recently.
Given those factors, him saying it is
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useless to us. (Probably.) All the same it'd be an instance of him telling the truth disguised as a lie, but which if considered the truth wouldn't actually harm his team.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:27 pm

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In post 731, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:why is it that it took one post from Nacho to erase all of that hard work she presented as to why Nacho=scum?
Because he asked me nicely.

No joke.

He asked me nicely, and I politely obliged. It's a temporary thing though.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:28 pm

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see I prefer the middle one,

and I'm not confirmed scum
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:28 pm

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In post 736, SirCakez wrote:When did mastina start townreading Nacho Gin?
A good question! When
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:30 pm

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Mastin if you're guaranteeing Pine made optimal picks based on your meta knowledge of him then we need to lynch Nacho and no one but Nacho until Nachos dead
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:31 pm

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all the wagons right now are shit. Gin's would be nice just to see a flip on SOMEONE but theyre all p. bad
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:34 pm

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ONE OF: Fate/Nachomamma
drealmerz
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SirCakez
BTD6_maker
Vaxkiller
Monokuma
Aristophanes
Secret Agent Jin
The RealGin-N-Tonic
THE OTHER OF: Nachomamma/Fate
Aeronaut

Honestly this is better.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:35 pm

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In order of lynching I agree

so lets take care of Nacho before dreamers?

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