Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Keybladewielder]

Tammy has been replaced by Realeo.

[Aj The Epic]

VLA until early the 16th/late 15th. New trainee at work and I'm picking extra hours for their training

[Fate]

I asked you specifically to have Nacho comment on my alignment and your hydras vote on me, Reflektor.

This is top priority, especially now with Tammy down I'm short on players I can trust if they're town

[Reflektor]

I've never played with Fate but I'd imagine a 5 year vet wouldn't struggle this much getting into a game/tripping over himself in the first few pages as town.

I don't really think that struggling to get into a game is particularly indicative for Fate, and I think the tripping over himself (referring to his treatment of your slot specifically) is more likely to come from town.

This game does deserve some effort on my part. Vote well deserved

Which hydra is Nacho again?

A part of me died when you said "vote well deserved" to such a lame, lame entry.

This means that if those roles die later on (post-Day Two), we know what their investigative results are from beyond the grave. Also might be useful for dealing with scum counterclaims, as they have members to burn on that stuff. That's how I would suggest taking advantage of the heavy investigative mechanic.

This is a fine idea, assuming that we don't massclaim on Day 2.
We should probably be massclaiming on Day 2.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BBmolla

I mean honestly you couldn't ask for a more useless vote than dropping one on indigo. Wants LuV wagon, gets two generic townreads, moves on to Fate. He even says Uzi's posts aren't good. Which, going by his last post

In all honesty I'm not voting for pressure any more im just voting who I think is most likely scum

He should still be voting LuV as he's said nothing about Fate anyways.

Also he actually took part in RQS so fuck him.

well fuck you too
also

V/LA until tuesday

Medea gives me town vibes btw

[Reflektor]

I asked you specifically to have Nacho comment on my alignment and your hydras vote on me, Reflektor.

This is top priority, especially now with Tammy down I'm short on players I can trust if they're town

I think you're town, Prism doesn't. I'm perfectly comfortable with Prism feeling around and doing his own thing for now.

[Reflektor]

And as far as direct interaction with you goes, if you'd said anything I found interesting maybe I would have.

In this specific scenario, Tammy talked about no lynching and massclaiming, which you addressed in your first posts - if it was interesting enough to comment on, why wasn't it interesting enough to talk to Tammy about (or are you saying something else...).

I don't think that your worries about Tammy freaking out on you if you deviate from "Tammy is the towniest town to ever have towned" are well-founded; she does react strongly at times and she does question people when they give reads on her if they feel weird or they aren't what she's expecting, but I think that she was more hurt in this scenario because she thought you were saying that she was a chore to play with/that you had to walk on glass around her.

At the partway point of this slow readthrough I'll admit that I can see an option for massclaiming today. I think it stands a really good chance of going completely wrong, but in taking the time to write out how the worst case scenario would go down all the way to the first LyLo (of three potential if we keep picking right!) and who would likely be left alive, it's not something I think would be fun, but assuming a couple decent reads to work from in the resultant claimed VT pool, it might work out. I think looking at that and without running the scenario a Day Two massclaim discussion would be infinitely better with some results to report at the end of it, as some lucky investigating could make it fait accompli.

The number of LyLos is less important to me than the number of reads we need to have right; massclaiming leads to a guaranteed number of mislynches which seems like a pretty valuable thing to me right now.

I hate no lynch on principle, especially since we wouldn't be no lynching and mass claiming at the same time, which leaves the investigatives absolutely nothing to go on. Massclaim I was mostly thinking about where we'd end up in terms of PRs. And...redoing the worst case scenario it's actually four LyLos to survive. Or maybe the first one was too. Regardless, it's a gamble. Looking at Day Two massclaim gets pretty messy if we don't have definitive investigative results (as in results that aren't the false positive/negative types for each role). I think my initial stance holds.

There's no reason why we need a lynch in order to generate information; information is generated by scumhunting and talking, which is what's happening now.

[Reflektor]

Fate's 235 might be my favorite damn post so far just for having multiple reads/lines of interest clearly stated. (yes, I get the irony as I ramble on)

Interesting.

I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?

@fate i voted you BECAUSE you were the biggest wagon out of my scumreads. being a solo vote on someone achieves much less pressure than a wagon does.

voting someone doesn't just magically put pressure on them, especially when the vote itself was the entirety of what you've provided to the game so far plus a few other names that you pulled out of a hat
if i was scum and you voted me like that, you'd be

removing

pressure from my wagon - pretty easy to shift a wagon when someone offers themselves up as a juicy, juicy target.

They sound about as disengaged as is possible.

I think it's possible that you're confusing them with LUV.

I'm too tired to parse Penguin's large post at the moment, I'll get to that in the morning.

[Reflektor]

I agree with them on the LUV push, and that's mostly what they discussed.

Nothing stood out to you about the vote/unvote of LUV?

[Reflektor]

Discussion is a two-way street. Your original complaint was that my naked vote was creating a bad atmosphere because I didn't give a reason.

I do have to say that while the Empking/LUV discussion hasn't really created anything particularly interesting, I do agree with this point by LUV as a refutation to Empking's main point.

[Realeo]

Hello!

I would start the game with a naked vote.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

[Realeo]

I am going to make it quick that

1) I am not sure I understand LuV wagon, either the early wagon or the late wagon

2) I reject the motion of hypo claim. Hypo claim in D2 would only be beneficial if we get throught to D3, but we would only get to D3 if we're in good shape. If we're in a good shape, why take the gamble? I understand the motion, I have done hypo claim in the past in @EM, but I don't think hypo claim is justified for this game.

3) Beside Aj, I am scumleaning Reflektor. However, I suspect that it's just game play and false alarm so I am not going to hold my gut to Reflektor. I am town leaning Persivul.

[Keybladewielder]

Hello!

I would start the game with a naked vote.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

You have yet to confirm your role via PM, but I assume this must be confirmation, then?

[Realeo]

Yup

[shadonra]

I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?

No, only that I don't really think setup spec is high on the list of things for scum to talk about.

[Persivul]

Sad to hear Tammy you were one of the reasons I signed up for this game. Take care.

Looks like you signed up before her.

[Randomnamechange]

I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:

Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?

No, only that I don't really think setup spec is high on the list of things for scum to talk about.

setup talk benefits scum. it's unlikely to get any thing done this early and prevents them having to scumhunt.

[BBmolla]

Sad to hear Tammy you were one of the reasons I signed up for this game. Take care.

Looks like you signed up before her.

maybe I signed up for nacho

I recall signing up for someone

why does it matter

[Empking]

I asked you specifically to have Nacho comment on my alignment and your hydras vote on me, Reflektor.

This is top priority, especially now with Tammy down I'm short on players I can trust if they're town

Can you not trust Realeo?

[Fate]

No history but well see what their entrance is

Empking what are your actual thoughts on the game? The mislynch wagon on me feels cold but what are you doing to stop it with any other reads

Molla are you done clowning around

[Fate]

Oh hw has entered...

If you dont see the difference between what those posts offer the thread and tammy well

I'll reserve judgement until he's fully caught up

[Empking]

Oh hw has entered...

If you dont see the difference between what those posts offer the thread and tammy well

I meant in regards to alignment.

I'm struggling to get many reads in this game. I think Tammy's slot is town. I think LUV is scum. If i reread I could prbably get some soft reads, but I'm missing on much dramatic.

[Empking]

I think that's the problem of more high-density mafia where there is a lack of self-reinforcing town energy. Its why lylo is often so slow too.

[Keybladewielder]

Indigo has requested replacement.

[Keybladewielder]

Indigo has been replaced by -Grey-.