TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[Guillotina]

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get, I got my town pick, here are my picks:

Mafia: Goon(of an arbitrary faction) post 2180

Free: 10,000, post 10000

Mod Discretion: Alien Vote Donator, post 2367

I used a randomizer to choose roles so my town role may or may not be garbage too

What's the point?

[Guillotina]

Players may sacrifice themselves to the Guardian Deity of Cops during the night. Everyone has gained the Sacrifice global ability.

Global ability:

• During the night, you may sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops to provide the Guardian Deity of Cops one Offering. If you sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops, you will unavoidably die.

Hard pass, will never happen from my book

[Guillotina]

well you.. didn't have to claim but towny ig LOL

Judging by how OP some of those roles are something tells me theres a decent chance you got vanillized (don't answer this!)

and inb4 someone asks, getting people's picks for what they didnt choose has a purpose, I'll explain later but revealing now kinda instructs mafia how to treat this

Koba is scum

[Guillotina]

Players may sacrifice themselves to the Guardian Deity of Cops during the night. Everyone has gained the Sacrifice global ability.

Global ability:

• During the night, you may sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops to provide the Guardian Deity of Cops one Offering. If you sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops, you will unavoidably die.

Btw this is interesting. Do you think instead of limming we should force players to sacrifice themselves or be policy limmed next day?

Assuming that the deity of cops is town aligned.

Good luck with that

[Guillotina]

I submitted the following 4 roles

Town Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Mafia Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Werewolf Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Alien Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

I am a VT

If I had to bet 5 bucks whether you sent those roles or not... well, lets say that I truly believe in you

Zzz and Not Mafia are not group scum together

[Guillotina]

well you.. didn't have to claim but towny ig LOL

Judging by how OP some of those roles are something tells me theres a decent chance you got vanillized (don't answer this!)

and inb4 someone asks, getting people's picks for what they didnt choose has a purpose, I'll explain later but revealing now kinda instructs mafia how to treat this

Koba is scum

Elaborate pls

No way koba believes the other player actually claimed their town role in rvs.

[Guillotina]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

You havent done any scum hunting

[Guillotina]

Yeah I guess you have a point there

Do we flashwagon le Koba?

What's the rush?

[Guillotina]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

You havent done any scum hunting

I agree cause there was no one scummy (IMO) at the point I posted that


Pedit: explain the pun?

Nothing to explain. You have not done scum hunting.

And if i may expand, i think you cannot be more obvious scum than what you have been.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Dragon

[Guillotina]

As far as I can tell, Dragon absolutely hates the RVS. He tries to force the game pass it everytime.

In all fairness, he is an expert at doing exactly that, towncreed notwithstanding.

That is not what i scum read them for.

[Guillotina]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

LAMIST

I'd also like to go on record as saying that I do not believe the Guardian Deity to be Town, as there's a pretty obvious game breaking strat with it that I do not believe would have been missed during setup.

-Rat

What's the game breaking strat?

Reads as concerned about the game breaking possibility.
If that role is town, i dont care if it breaks it to townside the game, it's very much scum's problem, not ours.

Seems an odd role to pick for Mafia, also only claiming the one failed pick instead of all three.

It's all very blatant, which makes me think either Jester or scum pretending to be Jester. Either way, don't want 'im hanging around.

-Rat

What if Game Ending Jester? Also IDK if non-ending jester is a good Day 1 lim.

Hey hey, will read and comment soon, just wana make my presence known

Also

VOTE: bbmola

Hey, been a while

Am I delusional or are you voting someone not on the playerlist?

BBMolla is the creator of the Grand Idea Thread. It is a joke vote. Probably. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a role or two in there that allow for such an elimination, but I doubt we're actually looking at one as of now.

-Rat

Fair

IAVH can you make a semi-serious vote on someone?

VOTE: itinerants
OMGUS
my other picks were 16y/o
nd the flying pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of its ass

What's the 16y/o
Also I can believe iavh picking the pumpkin
Also OMGUSing is so bad
VOTE: IAVH

hi iavh its a pleasure to play with you again

VOTE: iavh

pro tip: make your groupscum role an op role so you never get it

Maybe I'm misreading tone, but the tone of this post feels off and possibly artificial?

Snivy can you please post a meme readlist with yourself as scum so I can go back to townbinning you?

I think that just makes you goon if you rill groupscum

I think u is correct.

What is fair about itinerants answer? It;s not like you were gonna scum read him for voting an illegal name. It was obviously a meme, but you brought up like you didnt understand it was a meme which is weird. So what is fair about it?

my roles author is in the game actually lmao

Damn are you a 2 shot 1shotizer?

Jkjk

Role fishing disguising it as a joke.

Fuck, am I the top poster? I think I might be top poster.

This ain't gooood

K I'm gonna go silent for the next 3-14 hours in the hopes that more ppl will post.

LAMIST, look at me, i have so much WIM i gotta be town.

I retract going silent

LAMIST again, look at me i couldnt help it not stay silent!

Snivy can you please post a meme readlist with yourself as scum so I can go back to townbinning you?

{snivy}
{everyone else}
{iavh}
{de70}

Wait am I the scum here?

you said its a meme readlist

the real readlist is almost upside down

So you are scum in your real readlist but town in the meme one?

Spoiler:

the above post is a joke

I didnt read the spoiler so i thought you were trying to twist the meme readlist against him. It felt shady and i dont like it that you spoiler that it was a joke because why risk not making it clear it was a joke.

Yo

Yoo

Are you an Odd Night Roeblocker?

Rolefishing.

Yeah I guess you have a point there

Do we flashwagon le Koba?

Scummy.

[Guillotina]

Im thinking about what itinerant's alignment may be after that exchange with Dragon if dragon is in fact scum.

[Guillotina]

Honestly this entire scumcase by Guillotina is a perfect scumcase against them because it shows how forced their reads are. 0/10 scumcase

VOTE: Guilo

I also FoS Koba for thinking Guilo is town here despite Guillo's extremely shady reasoning.

You can call this omgus if you want but neither of their reads make any freaking sense and are like 100% scum motivated.

Thanks for the vote, you didnt have to further spew me town but i thank you for the gift.

I claim having kill power and if you are not lynched today i will personally kill you tonight.

[Guillotina]

One last post before I go to sleep:

I notice some people SR me for "not scumhunting even though I want people to scumhunt". Which is fair. But I like always focus on townreads early and on scumreads later, it's much easier for me this way. I think most of you who know me would know this is true but I can link various games that demonstrate this if needed. But anyway the point was that

I was literally townreading everyone

so it didn't make any sense to scumhunt at that point.

Yah townreading everyone during rvs lol.

Pray to gods you continue to rand scum to practice because you need it.

Sorry for your rand

[Guillotina]

tbh rh9 claimimg mod discretion role puzzles me a bit since it was lowkey unnecessary
dont really agree with dkkoba’s assesment that it’s towny since it’s a bit wifom in my eyes because mod discretion can be any alignment, right? there’s not really a motivation to claim it i guess

not really sure why dk’s asking us to claim our picks but i’ll do it anyways

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get, I got my town pick, here are my picks:

Mafia: Goon(of an arbitrary faction) post 2180

Free: 10,000, post 10000

Mod Discretion: Alien Vote Donator, post 2367

I used a randomizer to choose roles so my town role may or may not be garbage too

got town, but my other ones were maf vanillizer, conformer for the free space slot (unaligned but can pick a person to switch to their alignment), dolphin for mod discretion slot

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

yessir... scumhunting at page four when not everyone is there yet
nice to take initiative i guess but there’s not really a point since. dragoneater literally posted something not too long ago along the lines of “hot take no one who’s posted is scum”

ok so DE is trying to pressure people into activity/scumhunting as seen with happy
ok and he’s going around to fluffposting now interesting… tbh i’m REALLY not sure whether to take him seriously or not, he seems a bit all over the place. i can’t recall much about him rfom the games we’ve played together, our first newbie together excluded. maybe it’s a playstyle change? weird

Thanos that shit. Guardian claims, verifies, and then picks half the remaining players at random who are forced to sacrifice themselves. Guardian now has enough checks for the rest of the players, and the game is solved.

It's somewhat more balanced as scum because the checks can be doubted, and when the game doesn't end they'd be outed anyway, but as Town there's basically nothing scum can really do to stop it.

-Rat

holy shit that IS game-breaking what the heck you’re super smart dude

i get mastina’s push on DE it makes a sense to me. however DE seems mostly nonserious and it seems to contradict with snake guy’s (sorry i forgot your username and i cant be bothered to go back to the previous page to see it) assessment of dragon trying to push past RVS. if he were trying to do that he’d probably be trying more to scumhunt, like mastina’s initial criticism of him. i do remember him writing fucking wallposts while beefing with another player (though keep in mind this was aroudn near the end of day 1) to the point where no one even bothered to read it except him and the player he was arguing with
though this reminds me a lot of how he acted at the beginning of our (very first) newbie game- in which he basically did some goofy things to advance the game which caused some more experienced players to pile onto him in a wagon. we were out of RVS by the top of the second page so i guess it worked? so fucking maybe he’s doing the same here?? i literally do not know. he could probably be doing the same thing here since earlygame dragon is very different from midgame dragon, but i’m really not sure because, again, it was a while ago, and also my memory is actual shit.

if anyone’s played any recent games with dragon or read any of his recent games, could you quickly just pop in and tell me how accurate my train of thought is?


who’s itnerant again
OHHH rat and rh9 hydra im dumb

dk is giving town vibes tbh, not sure if its a specific way they post or if it’s just a gut feeling. it just makes me feel like they’re towny. they’re actively doing stuff i guess and they seem like there isn’t like, ulterior motives

In all the above games my entrance was complete whack, terrible, scummy as fuck and "stiff", according to some fine town players. Yet I was the real deal - Green as a tree (green in the alignment sense not newbie sense).

self-quoted meta sucks but this is true

Honestly this entire scumcase by Guillotina is a perfect scumcase against them because it shows how forced their reads are. 0/10 scumcase

VOTE: Guilo

I also FoS Koba for thinking Guilo is town here despite Guillo's extremely shady reasoning.

You can call this omgus if you want but neither of their reads make any freaking sense and are like 100% scum motivated.

oh my god what even is this post
no, they don't know your meta they have completely valid reasons to suspect you- if i wasn't familiar with you the wacky ass "everyone let's start scumhunting!!" and then the fluffposting and jokes would've thrown me off too. even then im not too sure how good my memory of your play is since i took a long break from mafia and i'm drowning in work atm… guilo’s reasoniung is fine
i do think the rolefishing claims are wrong though!

dragon if you’re town why are you digging a greater hole for yourself
i know you really like scumreadign people who scumread you but like….. your assertions that “OMGUS is your thing” is really NOT helping your case in the slightest

i dont think zzzx is locktown they dont exhibit much reason for me to sort them
wow i can’t believe it didn’t even REGISTER to me that flavor leaf was here. i saw them post but i didn’t even have that little “oh it’s you!” moment in my head. my bad dude. heya i remember you

Would anyone care if I day vigged Dkkoba for the lols?

people who rand dayvig claim day 2 challenge [failed]

I'd be fairly upset but I don't have any agency and I know you as town from our 1 sample together as town/town scumread me naturally so lol

I have historically been dayvigged everytime on day 1 whenever there is a dayvig because the hero shooter always rands it so why change things

Yeah, why change things

Claim

I will be day vigging on Day 1 here. First time I am able to do so, so you all, bow down to the Almighty Leaf and taste the flavor

what is the purpose of this post

Im just trolling you Kkoba

oh

why do you implicitly oppose a dragoneater vig?

because if we really need to, we can just... lim him.... normally???

current thoughts on players:

not many people stand out to me. dragon is one who sticks out in my head. i think he’s null more out of unsureness because i don’t know how to read his behavior properly. i know his meta aligns with town, but it’s been such a long time since i played with him myself that i can actually apply this. his omgus on guillo is a little bad but like…. he’s also done that too as town. but his behavior is a decent amount of traditionally scummy. tbh i think it’s a slot that needs more thought and i don’t think we should rush towards a dragon lim. or that matter, any lim at all, since it’s literally page 9.
(dragon do u remember when you tunnelled on delta a ton that one game and he actually ended up being scum? i think it was 2119 newb but i cant remember. i do remember that i suspected you and delta were paired because you guys were pushing each other and it seemed weird to me. also comet was cop in that game)
anyways yeah
happy literally has not done much. usually he doesn’t just sort of flop over at the beginning of the game but since it’s only been like 12 hours since daystart im willing to give him more time

dkkoba has town vibes i think i talked about this earlier. i think im gonna take the jump and put some trust into them and if i wrong i guess i’m screwed. i really don’t know.
though, dk, you never did mention why you scumread dragon, if i’m not mistaken? maybe you did idk but i can’t remember much on it. could you elaborate or quote something?

guillo is interesting. never played with them. not sure if that’s how i spell the abbreviation of their username. any push at all early-game is pretty good but i’m not too sure about it. i think some of the arguments they make are certainly stretches (particularly the ones about rolefishing. i really do not buy that argument and i don’t think any scum would be stupid enough to be so obvious about it in a serious context and i don’t think any town would be stupid enough to actually answer). i think i might take dk’s word for it about their illogical case meta but idk.

the zzz guy has no vibes. it’s really fucking weird i don’t know how to feel about them.
not sure what’s happening on flavor leaf’s end i also dont know how ot feel about them.
i dont remember who else has posted.
OH SNAKE GUY
not sure how to evaluate them either, actually. i think there’s minimal contribution but it’s what you would expect from someone in RVS.

i have really fucking bad habits of going down a train of thought or starting on something and then i second-guess my way out of it. i don’t know whether to scurmead or townread dragon because as soon as i go down that path i have to immediately backtrack out since i’m not sure if i can make such a conclusion. i’m really sorry if this post isn’t helpful or anything since most of my reads don’t really go anywhere. i’m trying pretty hard since i’m still working on how to play this properly! i definitely accept tips and constructive crit and i’d be really happy if someone had commentary on how to play better, especially if it’s postgame!

Why are you willing to trust Koba's read on me if you are not completely sure about Koba?

[Guillotina]

Yah i believe Patchwork is the second scum

[Guillotina]

FL if you are really a day vig, kill Dragon please

[Guillotina]

Nah, I like Dragon

What a waste on an opportunity.

[Guillotina]

So is committing so strongly to DragonScum on Page 10 of a large

Come again?

[Guillotina]

Also why would i waste the shot this early into the day lol

Tons of things wrong with Guillo’s ask

It is not a waste if they are scum and they are.

[Guillotina]

Lol, just ISO’d Guillo

I have a hard time believing anything in their ISO is genuine, but I also low key think it is

Are you gonna shoot Dragon or bore me to sleep?

[Guillotina]

Also why would i waste the shot this early into the day lol

Tons of things wrong with Guillo’s ask

It is not a waste if they are scum and they are.

Gonna need more than that

You’re gonna need to build up trust so that people should follow you, and you’re gonna need more than just your typical LAMIST comments you been repeating cuz that stuff happens all the time from town

Fuck trust, kill the scum and trust will follow. Im not here to join an union orva brotherhood.

[Guillotina]

Lol, just ISO’d Guillo

I have a hard time believing anything in their ISO is genuine, but I also low key think it is

Are you gonna shoot Dragon or bore me to sleep?

Yeah, more likely to shoot you.

On the shoot list:

Patchwork
Guillo
Dkkoba

Do it then what are you waiting for? My permission? My blessing?

[Guillotina]

Lol, just ISO’d Guillo

I have a hard time believing anything in their ISO is genuine, but I also low key think it is

Are you gonna shoot Dragon or bore me to sleep?

Yeah, more likely to shoot you.

On the shoot list:

Patchwork
Guillo
Dkkoba

Do it then what are you waiting for? My permission? My blessing?

Why would I do it now?

Why not? If im scum, i am now and i will be later, what's the difference?

[Guillotina]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

[Guillotina]

I lost interest is your claim, it is obviously not true.

[Guillotina]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

[Guillotina]

Why are you willing to trust Koba's read on me if you are not completely sure about Koba?

because it's a meta read and i don't think someone would be ballsy/stupid enough to lie about meta when you're obviously a well-known player

Am i a well know player? Since when? I havent played here since 2021.

[Guillotina]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

why is he obvscum?

Besides what i already stated?

When i came in and read his stuff all sorts of alarm bells went off, so i waited until he engaged with me directly because then i'd know that he was gonna be online to chat with me. When he did that is when i accused him directly that i believe he was scum and all of that WIM for posting and participation froze right there and then.

It;s the kind of silence i expect from a startled scum player who didnt expect the 180 switch from a townie, remember that i had thrown a scum read at Dkkoba before that. Dragon approached me with a pocket proposing to flash yeet Koba which i thought it was very opportunistic and scummy.

But what i hate the most is that he just stopped posting, it's like his willingness to scumhunt went out of the window as soon as i challenged him, i expect a town to confront me straight up, try to understand me, work things out first with me and if he is not convinced, then vote me and keep scumhunting, but he literally OMGUS voted me and froze.

I legit think he thought i was some sort of new player he thought he was gonna easily led on. Poor kitty.

[Guillotina]

Yah i believe Patchwork is the second scum

bc i don’t decide to immediately side with you and push dragon?

Because sheeping Koba's read to townread me instead of you working to get at thst conclusion on your own is scummy. If you are scum, you will look like you pocketed Dkkoba to fake a townread on me, associating yourself with me. Fuck that.

[Guillotina]

ill also say it now so its easier to claim later

my role is created by cook

wont be that hard to fakeclaim since cook does have a limited pool with a wide variety

idk why i said "wont be that hars to fakeclaim" i meant the exsct opposite

scumslip fr?

I didnt notice it until you did.

Sus

[Guillotina]

Why are you willing to trust Koba's read on me if you are not completely sure about Koba?

because it's a meta read and i don't think someone would be ballsy/stupid enough to lie about meta when you're obviously a well-known player

Am i a well know player? Since when? I havent played here since 2021.

guillo you are definitely well known among the mafia community because of how much you play/mod lol

Yah but ive never played with patch.

[Guillotina]

What if patch is getting info about me from someone that knows me.

[Guillotina]

Why are you willing to trust Koba's read on me if you are not completely sure about Koba?

because it's a meta read and i don't think someone would be ballsy/stupid enough to lie about meta when you're obviously a well-known player

Am i a well know player? Since when? I havent played here since 2021.

i think it can be inferenced by how literally everyone seems to know you (and also how i saw your name all over the mafiascum wiki)

I am on the wiki?

Wow! Im flattered

[Guillotina]

i dont remember who made the guides let me check

What picked your interest in researching me?

[Guillotina]

dragon is one who sticks out in my head. i think he’s null more out of unsureness

Your read on me is fake and we both know it

You 100% of games townread me for this playstyle and now you're like "why you doing this thing that you did in every town game I had with you? This is so NAI btw!"

Show me proof where this has been the case. Three games where you two were town with Patch townreading you for it will suffice.

[Guillotina]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

Keep it there. I got you where i need you.

[Guillotina]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

You know what, I am sold.

I will park my vote here for now

VOTE: Guillotina

I will iso Guillotina and have a more concrete readinf later. I will go now and do stuff

VOTE: ZZZX

This is the third scum.

It is not because they voted me. It's because they are

sold

without ISOing me first. It's fabricated.

Who taught these guys how to scum? They need more training.

Im opening up classes post game. $300 for four classes and you will graduate as professional scum players. You dont want to miss out.

[Guillotina]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

Geez, yeah no need to make this day phase a month long (please don't modkill me for this) but I think we can afford like at least 7-8 days of discussion before settling on a lim? Like what's the hurry to eliminate so fucking early?

I mean you had no problem proposing a koba flash yeet.

I get it, it’s only fine as long as it is not you.

[Guillotina]

When he did that is when i accused him directly that i believe he was scum and all of that WIM for posting and participation froze right there and then.

I have 0 clue what you're talking about, I didn't freeze at all

I did decide to take a break from the game between post 155 and post 166 because I was tired of being the only one posting (and it's actually sad that there were only 10 posts during this 2 hour break), but I don't feel like I really stopped posting or froze or lost my WIM? Maybe I did become a little defensive but that's like a natural reaction for me when I get shitpushed, because it's important to me to refute the attacks on me.

Sure sure sure

I know when i surprise scum, it is always the same gap of silence.

I thought you were excited to talk to people? Now you say you were tired?
Why were you tired out of the sudden with me? Was it the good sex?

[Guillotina]

like I mentioned earlier, am a massive mafia tryhard and have over time applied mistakes i have made in games and am significantly more cautious about truly committing to reads. (

my external and internal confidence in reads is different often

,

I will not show my hand fully often in this regard

unless I believe I am going to die potentially etc. but generally as a rule my external confidence at EoD is often aligned with my internal confidence, including theoretical worlds I may not currently be pushing)

Also this doesn't sound like town!Koba to me, I feel town!Koba likes to be more bold with their reads.

don't misrep me.

I am not misrepping? I just say how I perceive you

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, it's my personal perception.

lol no worries the longer the day goes on the more your little dance and web of lies will get tangled I always win the endurance battle.

I have been bold, you just dislike the boldness is directed towards your slot

crazy how 2 people who scumread you happen to be scum.

I was going to look outside of you bc of my previous reasons but you pissed me off so! L bozo

lol no

I dislike Guillotina's unsubstanciated claims, and I dislike your reads but more importantly I dislike the fact that you're sheeping/agreeing with Guillo and also your reads don't feel bold enough for me

If you actually went and said "Oh I think this is a scum post by dragon" and gave a fucking good reason rather than "it's stiff" or "you're not in your town meta" (even though I fucking am) then maybe I would townread that

Or better yet, if you actually had a scumread on a scummy person

I would never sheep guillo LOL

why do you think u are towny.

and im not reading u by meta, i need firsthand meta to trust that.

guillo's claims are actually pretty substantiated even if I disagree with his process, this is how town!guillo pushes people (and scum!guillo which is why I said this is just >rand town for him, not clearing, and he has a tendency to TMI and bus and I can see him looking at you as looking very bad from a TMI pov if you are both scum and going straight to bussing if he were to be scum, but that is unlikely due to your reaction looking more unpaired)

For what it's worth, there is no fucking way i dont bus him after seeing the way he LAMIST -posted and tried to pocket me like he cid, i would be face palming myself with murderous intent to prevent myself from witnessing such blasphemy and dishonor in the art of scumming.

[Guillotina]

I have literally made 0 lies this game, please point out any single lie I've made

i dont care about how "truthful" someone has been, and in fact "lies" are towny at this stage of the game as scum are looking to come off as clean


you're trying to push that "clean looking" is towny and "weird looking" is scummy and its the level 1 thing that without fail I have seen scum do. Tells are cringe etc. but its a perfectly good thing to latch onto for an early push for me while I wait for lower posting slots to show up and react to this.

Yup

[Guillotina]

Yeah, dragon eaters town.

If you think he is town the you are scum with TMI that he is town because there is nothing townie about Dragon.

[Guillotina]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

I think there's a pretty significant difference between prolonging the day and just... having the day actually happen. Has everyone even posted yet?

I just dont want this day to take all 14 days. If Dragon is scum, scum want to prevent his death by apathy-voting someone else two weeks after.

[Guillotina]

yeah, idk if koba even believes their posts

Dkkoba is town.

[Guillotina]

Ok this wagon ain't going anywhere

VOTE: Pirate Cookie

So i stopped being scum now?

[Guillotina]

SCUM

1 in Dragon/FL
Patch
ZZZX

Is where im at.

Koba disassociated from Dragon

ZZZX/Dragon may be a team (see my vote for ZZZX)

————————————

SPICY WORLD

FL maybe whiteknighting Dragon and DKkoba may be whiteknighting me.
Meaning those two monster players are instigatimg and perpetuating the fight between town Dragon/Guillo

I would believe in this world if Dragon was not so obvious scum.

[Guillotina]

guillo why do u scumread me again

I dont remember anymore so i guess i dont anymore.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

So what's the story there? If you dont like dragon and you dont like me either? What does it mean in terms of reads?

[Guillotina]

SCUM

1 in Dragon/FL
Patch
ZZZX

Is where im at.

Koba disassociated from Dragon

ZZZX/Dragon may be a team (see my vote for ZZZX)

————————————

SPICY WORLD

FL maybe whiteknighting Dragon and DKkoba may be whiteknighting me.
Meaning those two monster players are instigatimg and perpetuating the fight between town Dragon/Guillo

I would believe in this world if Dragon was not so obvious scum.

Spicy world sounds like a fun theory but I'm pretty confident that Flavor is town (though I know Flavor is a strong scum player so maybe I'm wrong)

FL is an average scum player. He just talks like he is more than he really is, he hides behind the loudness of his voice to portray confidence but in reality his scum game is just overestimated, his range smaller than he believes it to be for sure.

And here all he has done so far is making comments to fan the fire. No solving whatsoever. If Dragon is town here, Leaf most likely wolf.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

So what's the story there? If you dont like dragon and you dont like me either? What does it mean in terms of reads?

They did say they liked me, just that they have doubts

Are you itinerant?

[Guillotina]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

[Guillotina]

I think its funny that my scum game has devolved into what you described guillo because I struggle to keep up with my improvements as town, having a higher standard of overall play lol + also having a lot less passion for efforting as scum too.

I was talking about FL there not you for the record.

[Guillotina]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

You know what, I am sold.

I will park my vote here for now

VOTE: Guillotina

I will iso Guillotina and have a more concrete readinf later. I will go now and do stuff

VOTE: ZZZX

This is the third scum.

It is not because they voted me. It's because they are

sold

without ISOing me first. It's fabricated.

Who taught these guys how to scum? They need more training.

Im opening up classes post game. $300 for four classes and you will graduate as professional scum players. You dont want to miss out.

I don't particularly care if you scum-read me, but I will not iso- someone every single time I decide to move my vote around at this point. Sue me

That is not the issue, the issue is that you never did.

Either you lied about being sold
Or you lied about not having read my ISO

WHY?

Because you can't be convinced on a case on someone without verifying it yourself.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillo

I’ll sheep Itenerants. I like that slot, and can potentially see it as a deep wolf, but specifically deep cuz I’m towning them right now

Look at this lol

So he has been shading my slot, he has voiced enough “concerns” to scum read me and yet never voted this way until he sheeped Itinerant.

Flavor/Itinerant not w/w

Thank you. Keep posting while i tear down your “legendary” scum game.

[Guillotina]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

You know what, I am sold.

I will park my vote here for now

VOTE: Guillotina

I will iso Guillotina and have a more concrete readinf later. I will go now and do stuff

VOTE: ZZZX

This is the third scum.

It is not because they voted me. It's because they are

sold

without ISOing me first. It's fabricated.

Who taught these guys how to scum? They need more training.

Im opening up classes post game. $300 for four classes and you will graduate as professional scum players. You dont want to miss out.

I don't particularly care if you scum-read me, but I will not iso- someone every single time I decide to move my vote around at this point. Sue me

That is not the issue, the issue is that you never did.

Either you lied about being sold
Or you lied about not having read my ISO

WHY?

Because you can't be convinced on a case on someone without verifying it yourself.

I... am not going to even get into the arguement of "you cannot be convinced on a case without iso-ing".

Sue me.

Yah dont, because there is no argument. Just lay there defeated in just two posts. Ty.

[Guillotina]

TOWN

Guillo
Koba
Itinerant

Mixed Feelings

Dragon

SCUM

Flavor
ZZZX

[Guillotina]

@mod If my maths are correct, Invisibility, Arko, Radical Polaroid should be prodded by now

I also dislike how little activity NM has so far, or to be honest how a significant bunch isnt active. I am happy to entertain you guys until those guys start posting.

So why am I scum?

p-edit: Let me reply to those seperately

Why are you asking for prods publicly? Are not those requested privately?

[Guillotina]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

You know, you can make decisions and thoughts from how people react to certain things, showing information, or how a certain few posts are, without needing to read every post they ever wrote in eternity, or knowing all the information,

Such as? (In my case).

[Guillotina]

I submitted the following 4 roles

Town Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Mafia Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Werewolf Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Alien Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

I am a VT

If I had to bet 5 bucks whether you sent those roles or not... well, lets say that I truly believe in you

Zzz and Not Mafia are not group scum together

Oh yah

Not Mafia is also town then

[Guillotina]

TOWN

Guillo
Koba
Itinerant
Not Mafia

Mixed Feelings

Dragon

SCUM

Flavor
ZZZX

[Guillotina]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

You know, you can make decisions and thoughts from how people react to certain things, showing information, or how a certain few posts are, without needing to read every post they ever wrote in eternity, or knowing all the information,

Such as? (In my case).

To translate, some blind reads with a lot of confidence, reads that go against the common flow without a reason, can be attributed to TMI. I can't say anything specific you did because Koba's entire arguement was about you

not

have one of those instances.

I don't entirely share his view, but am happy to explain

Are you koba?

[Guillotina]

I submitted the following 4 roles

Town Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Mafia Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Werewolf Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

Alien Winner

You immediately exit the game in a win at game start

I am a VT

If I had to bet 5 bucks whether you sent those roles or not... well, lets say that I truly believe in you

Zzz and Not Mafia are not group scum together

Oh yah

Not Mafia is also town then

Ah yes, you have a read on NM when he has 3 votes in RVS?

Yea, no comments.

Yes, you two are unligned based on that post. Not my problem you dont like it.

[Guillotina]

If you are piling on me for speaking my mind out loud with the intent to silence me, you are wasting your time. There is nothing you can threaten me with, death? I welcome death. I play to die as soon as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible. There is nothing you can do to shit me up, not even if you are a chicken day vig.

[Guillotina]

If you scum read my hostility, my aggressiveness. Know that i give a rat's ass. =)

[Guillotina]

If you are piling on me for speaking my mind out loud with the intent to silence me, you are wasting your time. There is nothing you can threaten me with, death? I welcome death. I play to die as soon as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible. There is nothing you can do to shit me up, not even if you are a chicken day vig.

You are giving yourself way more credit that anyone is giving you

I am def a threat to scum.
They shiver in fear at my mere presence.
You dont believe me? Givenit time, it will sink in.

[Guillotina]

Good night, im going to sleep giving zero shits about FL and ZZZX your votes.

[Guillotina]

Okay I guess you didn't SR tjem but you did question something they said and I don't fully underatand where the TR comes from sibce there was no earlier indication of a TR.

I dont need to have voiced a read earlier to bring it up at any time in my posts.

[Guillotina]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

You know, you can make decisions and thoughts from how people react to certain things, showing information, or how a certain few posts are, without needing to read every post they ever wrote in eternity, or knowing all the information,

Such as? (In my case).

To translate, some blind reads with a lot of confidence, reads that go against the common flow without a reason, can be attributed to TMI. I can't say anything specific you did because Koba's entire arguement was about you

not

have one of those instances.

I don't entirely share his view, but am happy to explain

Are you koba?

To be fair you did ask them and not Koba

I asked Koba.

Do yourself a favor and dont ask questions addressed directly at others. That easily gets you to eat a bullet from me.

[Guillotina]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

You know, you can make decisions and thoughts from how people react to certain things, showing information, or how a certain few posts are, without needing to read every post they ever wrote in eternity, or knowing all the information,

Such as? (In my case).

To translate, some blind reads with a lot of confidence, reads that go against the common flow without a reason, can be attributed to TMI. I can't say anything specific you did because Koba's entire arguement was about you

not

have one of those instances.

I don't entirely share his view, but am happy to explain

Are you koba?

To be fair you did ask them and not Koba

I asked Koba.

Do yourself a favor and dont ANSWER questions addressed directly at others. That easily gets you to eat a bullet from me.