Toriel's Patience (end)

[Brown Eyes]

VOTE: Taly

I claim miller.

[Brown Eyes]

Isis described this as an open setup in sign-ups. I do believe we are all vanilla except the double vote, and then we have the option to spare or fight.

It seems like if we choose to fight, this setup is pretty close to mountainous.

It'd be mountainous with three nights skipped—which isn't insignificant—but it does seem as though mercy is the easier option overall (obviously depending on you and your alignment).

[Brown Eyes]

but also i do not know how useful discussing dunnstral's alignment is since he's getting flipped no matter what

He's the most important to discuss,

because

he's getting flipped no matter what.

[Brown Eyes]

I also would have voted Dunn for the record, but primarily for the subtle way in which his very first post was to recommend that he be saved.

[Brown Eyes]

I also would have voted Dunn for the record, but primarily for the subtle way in which his very first post was to recommend that he be saved.

What do you mean...

Can you elaborate on what you don't understand about what I said there?

[Brown Eyes]

I think that mandate is likely not scum with anyone who has misunderstood the setup (Dunn, Dann, Key, Merlyn). This is also slightly likely for implosion, Alisae, and potentially Shirou.

[Brown Eyes]

I think that mandate is likely not scum

How likely?

did i misunderstand the setup?

I guess I consider this to be something of a serious misunderstanding:

i just looked at the setup and was like, hm toriel is getting flipped no matter what, i don't really need to sort that slot

Do you disagree?

[Brown Eyes]

VOTE: Aristeia

to find associatives in the first 5 pages immediately is asinine in most cases, and i dont understand where you're getting your assertions

mandate

, its almost entirely a grief with my playstyle.

Does this also refer to me? I gave a fairly strong anti-association read.

to find associatives in the first 5 pages immediately is asinine in most cases, and i dont understand where you're getting your assertions

mandate

,

its almost entirely a grief with my playstyle.

-gif snipped-

What does this mean?

[Brown Eyes]

Am curious about your vote brown eyes.

Care to elaborate?

Fairly bad entrance, I think. She indicated in 208 that she had read the thread, yet her first posts were fairly unsubstantial in a way that feels like she was trying to look productive. I also think that given the opinion she gives in 211 that she expects townies who are pushed in an overbearing way to find it annoying and push back, her questions to Taly seem somewhat strange and informed:

its strange that you are saying mandate is "griefing" you because doesnt that assume mandate is town?

like if mandate is mafia and you're town then this wouldn't be a grief it would just be hyper aggression lining up lims and seizing thread control - your lack of any suspicion of this push is kind of ?? to me.

If I were in this situation, I would just

ask

Taly what her read on you is. It's hard to phrase this, but it feels more like she's just pointing something out rather than actually trying to interrogate anything.

[Brown Eyes]

Not to defend the person that I am currently voting but do you think that her alt guess on me might be relevant to this? Not really sure how else to phrase this.

I don't see why it would be? Not entirely sure what you're getting at, to be honest.

by your logic brown eyes you are mafia because you are just pointing out something rather than interrogating me

My "logic" obviously isn't to say that that in every case pointing something out rather than asking questions is scum indicative. Is that what you took away from what I just said?

What I'm saying specifically is that I found the way in which you chose to talk about the Taly/mandate interaction bizarre, and seemingly indicative of you being unconcerned with sorting. I guess while we're on the subject, maybe I should just ask – what exactly is your read on Taly? What was it when you made 191 and 194?

[Brown Eyes]

I currently lean towards mafia on Taly's alignment currently.

I think it's pretty obvious I thought Taly was scummy when I made post 191 & 194.

I actually find that fairly surprising!

[Brown Eyes]

Catching up now.

[Brown Eyes]

I can post half of it now if you'd like.

[Brown Eyes]

Okay fine I actually will just post my notes now rather than type up some long summary.

Spoiler: post tags inserted

{Brown Eyes}
{Sakura Hana, Merlyn}
{mandate, key, alisae}
{dann, dunn, implo, beeboy} - null
{shirou, meuh}
{Aristeia}

(as of page 19)

good entrance from implo

mandate's 510 is a good post, although alisae isn't playing like how i'd expect him to play as scum in this setup
- shirou and meuh both are playing a lot more like this

dunn's 557 is a good post

like merlyn's vote on shirou in 566

minor mindmeld with implo's 573

aristeia's 593 comes across as fake aggression, Taly literally just says there that confontation won't help him sort, at this stage in the game the placement of the vote is really immaterial

shirou's analysis in 658 is mildly towny

dunn's 677 is tonally weird / stiff. very bizarre and mechanical way to talk about wagons

implosion's scumread on taly in 696 at a point where most of the pressure on taly seems to have disappeared seems town indicative

dunn's 721 vote on dann is odd given he scumreads ari and i'm pretty sure at this point a wagon exists on her

736 - shirou points out that there's a lack of a "leader", which is somewhat true. likely mildly town indicative for mandate, alisae (depending on out of game business/activity), and potentially shirou himself, even if his intention is to be lazier this game

weak justification in 742

weird pop-in / return to the thread from merlyn in 771, same with the follow up in 784

830 - given what dannflor has said about who he thinks mandate is, this is almost certainly not a thought process he have / a strategy he would believe would be effective (aristeia)
- also applies to dunn's 841

I can tell I'm getting to a bit of a denser part of the game anyways.

[Brown Eyes]

@BE: So you have me as your strongest TR along with Merlyn, but i dont find any indication as to why i'm a TR in your notes.

Those

were

my reads as of roughly page 18 or 19, and none of them were particularly strong, they're just listed in relational order.