BooneyToonz XVII: The Winston Chronicles [END]

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What does ctrl-h do?

Opens browser history.

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I offered to replace in on the assumption that my workday was gonna be approximately eight hours shorter than it was today, sorry for the delay in posting. I’ve got a couple hours before I need to go to bed, any advice on where to start?

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Full disclosure, I did read some of the game prior to replacing in and I saw something about somebody making my slot not a Miller anymore. Should I be poking FL about non role related mod communication, cause I don’t think I got any notices about that.

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Bingle replaces MariaR.

holy fucking bingle

Nah, still just the regular, non fucking Bingle. No one has offered me enough money to engage in prostitution yet.

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bingle is doing some scum PT schenanigans

he hasn't visited the site since 9:31 am today so clearly he's communicating telepathically with his scumpartners

Don’t think that’s accurate, fwiw. I’m pretty sure my mobile is set to hide my online status by default and I think I checked the site in the Taco Bell drive through.

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I really wish this site had good VCA tools because the real killer of my motivation to solve is that I am stuck thinking there’s something up with voting patterns but not having the energy to do the legwork myself or the tools to make it simpler

Whereabouts is the indicator of wonky? I can do the legwork during my catch-up.

(FWIW, I think colored votecounts are a comparably terrible way to do vca when in actuality you should be reading the votes themselves in high impact timeframes)

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its amazing how the same usual suspects are getting away with vote wagonning Elements after what they just did with gimli
How are scum getting away with this shit

drew why the hell are u signing of on elements.

u tell me that my night actions make no sense and u let ur hydra partner vote elements like its no big deal

This is firbrunger, correct?

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it's not just me that is experiencing an entierly new HPE right?

Nah. Barely in the game and this HPE is crazy off the charts energy wise. Need to look a bit into plait/recent games/setup but I’m feeling significant scum vibes from the change. Iirc, our last game was me townbearding scum HPE tho, so ymmv.

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Soooo, it was HPE who was targeted, or scum who isnt claiming it, or they were roleblocked.

Does boons run NAR? is NAR still a thing?

Not required for booneytoonz but noon has used it in every one I’ve played/reviewed. Why?

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its amazing how the same usual suspects are getting away with vote wagonning Elements after what they just did with gimli
How are scum getting away with this shit

drew why the hell are u signing of on elements.

u tell me that my night actions make no sense and u let ur hydra partner vote elements like its no big deal

This is firbrunger, correct?

I have been given permission by my hydra partner to push Furbinge.

She likes Elements for scum, I don't disagree, but I prefer Tanuki for scum......

The Whiskey Pocket can make it happen

-Drew

Nah, tabuk I prob town, definitely not S/S with elements. Gimme three townreads I should sheep.

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compulsive scum demillerizer

Not boon’s style. Boon likes discordant symmetry, not secret neg utility

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i think it is funny that if you make 50% of your posts trolling players will simply not attempt to read the other 50%

I promise to read the trolling half twice to make up for not reading the content half.

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Eh. Lawyer as a scum role with a fakeclaim that looks town is a viable boon creation. I don’t think lawyer is blacklisted in toonz.

The pushback on the elements lim followed by people listening makes me think town though.

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I really wish this site had good VCA tools because the real killer of my motivation to solve is that I am stuck thinking there’s something up with voting patterns but not having the energy to do the legwork myself or the tools to make it simpler

Whereabouts is the indicator of wonky? I can do the legwork during my catch-up.

(FWIW, I think colored votecounts are a comparably terrible way to do vca when in actuality you should be reading the votes themselves in high impact timeframes)

I feel like there may have been a bloc that voted together a fair amount

Related to or separate from the accusation that the elewagon and the gimli wagon were the same shit wagon?

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Theta can you link your claim post and any crumbs. The actual original claim, not a recent rehash if that exists.

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Do you agree with the game state sentiment separately from the accusation, Merlyn?

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Do you agree with the game state sentiment separately from the accusation, Merlyn?

I haven't noticed a bloc, not really. We did have a thing going where a wagon would form really really quickly and get halfway before fizzing out multiple times. But I don't think the players were always the same.

Interesting. I might do a vote history timeline tomorrow when I’m not in a bathtub, assuming I actually get spare time.

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I mean, I could do it in a bathtub with a laptop. I’m not about to try to fuck with Gantt charts on a phone tho

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Is the premise ele/daisy is S/T, S/S or just weird?

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So… I kinda think Gamma scum, but I got bored 2/3 of the way through her ISO. Thoughts?

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ive been busy poking cephy in our scum pt about non game related things

Is it acupuncture? It’s acupuncture, isn’t it?

If I iso only one player who should I pick?

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I like merlyn for town based on her jumping to correct my wrong posts but otherwise just letting me chill. I’ll iso and reevaluate tomorrow though.

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I like merlyn for town based on her jumping to correct my wrong posts but otherwise just letting me chill. I’ll iso and reevaluate tomorrow though.

you think that’s out of her scumrange??

Nah, that was me publicly acknowledging and accepting FirePumba’s request to ISO there and build a spicy take while sharing initial impressions.

I’m on initial impressions for just about everyone, but I’ve done most of an iso and day 3 reading wise. I think I read like 40 pages trying to decide whether to replace in, but no notes and no real strong takes came from that, either.

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So… I kinda think Gamma scum, but I got bored 2/3 of the way through her ISO. Thoughts?

i liked how gamma tried to sort daisy yesterday and i haven’t seen her do anything outright scummy so she’s probably town

Post range? Spurts of really good solve energy are usually gammatown, but what I saw was a lot of IIOA and shooting down attempts at solving. Not really a big fan of her approach to me joining the game either, but I haven’t read Maria to see if the townread is warranted.

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Gamma can I trade your vote in for Bingle's?

wdym

you unvote me, bingle votes me for you

Pretty uninterested in voting you atm, sorry. Is there anything you’d want my take on when I get home?

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had a think and gamma is probably town here regardless of not being the one to send the fruit

Why?

I get that her confusion is genuine here, but there’s absolutely no functional difference between non FV town who gets accused of sending the fruit and non FV scum who gets accused of sending fruit. The townreads on that seem hollow at best and fake at worst.

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VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

hi

hello is there something u want to talk about, because i really don't have anything to talk to u about.

not even why you're voting me?

u have vote parked me since page 8, theres nothing interesting in ur iso to talk about. I think its more likely a scum iso than town one. Not much to talk to u about.

dont have anyone else better to vote tbh and the joke vote on you is funny enough to keep until then

sounds like something a town player would try to rectify.

Yea! But that ain't always so easy for everyone else who is not of your

immense

skill.

I'm pretty flailing as town, and this also pings me. At some point in a game you do just kind of have to dive in whether you're wrong or not. I actually didn't noticed you'd been vote parking, and it's odd to me that you pressed the person you vote parked on for a reason for them...voting you back? Without providing a better reason for voting than this? I don't think it's unreasonable to question this even though you got a bit ruffled by it.

Quoting for pasta ritty, but I want to look at this.

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Sure Skyg, and I actually agree with you. But it’s also NAI as fuck. Like, if I come out and say “skyg is town, the mod gave me a friendly neighbor message for them last night” you’re gonna be confused as fuck regardless of your alignment because you’ll be reacting to the knowledge that you DIDNT send the message. Town you and scum you have the same thought process there, so there’s not going to be a difference in reaction.

You can maybe pull out that gamma isn’t scum with a FV who sent the fruit to drew, but that’s… not super helpful hunting wise

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Accused is a weird word choice there- Devil was accusing Gamma of doing something he found towny?

I can accuse you of breaking into my house and leaving behind 20 grand. It’s a valid usage. Counter to its connotations, maybe, but definitely valid.

The point is though, that if I accuse you of breaking into my house and leaving me twenty grand, you’ll be just as confused whether you broke in and stole my tv or didn’t even know I had a house.

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Alianna has famously not rolled scum for many games now. In all the games I've played with her including her alts she has been town, so I would have no idea.

(But also Drew is right. She can't really be lurking or doing anything NAI related to lurking bc she's in a hydra and her partner is posting)

Would you expect alianna to be a read-by-post count style player?

Is she significantly more talkative as town or scum? Why can’t her relative engagement be affected by alignment due to the presence of a hydra partner?

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@Bold

I can definitely grok why Maria thought Merlyn was scum. There’s a bit of stuff I want to look at again in terms of context, but she seemed very passive and lukewarm on the first two days. She’s definitely picked up steam as time went by, and I’m pretty confident she’s not S/S with Gamma.

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Merlyn, can I get a readslist?

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I saw a common misconception and wanted to quell it early

Gamma, 328 - Early game fluffing instead of (!) producing content is usually scummy. This is how a scum can appear doing something without doing anything. No scumhunting effort is always scummy for me.

I don't think this sort of axiomatic thinking is a good idea

And the shallow solving really just referred to the 4 different ways of saying "no content thus scummy"
I am hoping that was just a phase, so to speak (I feel like there's a better word for what I'm trying to say but it isn't occurring to me)

Do you know what's even worse? Day1 scumteam speculation. Such as: if Daisy's scum, Stage can be scum, too. If not, Stage's prob-town.

This feels like a surface-level take
I kinda expect better but you haven’t played in a while so I’ll give leeway

It was a vague impression based on posts like these, Gamma. I need to go back and look at your iso again after getting a more solid read, but your approach to my entrance felt like an attempt to pocket and skimming your iso did not lend confidence.

As far as shading you, I assume you’re talking about the townreads based on you not being a fruit vendor, which is way more about whether other people are actually interested in your alignment or just talking out of their collective asses than about your alignment itself. I don’t think not being a fruit vendor makes you scum or undermines your arguments at all.

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For those not voting: two days left to deadline

I'm aware. I expected to be less busy this week at work. I'll be on tonight and then I should be available most of tomorrow.

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Alisae [5]: Tanuki The Bold, Elements,

Gimli, Two Headed Dragon, Aneninen

Hmmm. This is interesting, vote wise. Ele votes Ali, then all the town players who had been voting Ele jump to Alisae. I don't think Ele/Tanuki are S/S based on this, and the fact that literally every flipped player is at play here makes me think this wagon is pure town. I'll probably be voting not Ele on the back of this.

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I'm kinda okay with the hammer without a claim here, tbh. But I would appreciate no hammers for the next 12 hours. I want to finish this vote tracking thing I'm doing at the moment and I'm intermittently busy prepping for a work trip on Monday, so I'm not sure how long it'll be before I get it out.

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I am more than a quarter of the way through the game pagewise though.

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In the meantime, if anyone wants to towncase GE I'd be interested.

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HighPrincessErinys, camelCasedSnivy, Elements, The Stage - all of these voted Penguin D1 and are currently voting Theta

So?

I think that the hammer was a bad look for [ccs]

+1

Gamma looks decently town for the gambit though. Maybe it's just me being tricked by it, but that's one of the most impactful fakehammers I've ever seen.

Still prefer not to lim ele, willing to vote ccs pending further catching up. Going back to reading now.

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anyways, they havent really been playing like an IC or mason, sooo

I'm a night 30 Innocent Child. If the game is still going on Night 30, I'll be revealed to be town.

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I may not be lucid for too much longer, I am kinda being force-served alcohol
But I will state I am working on tracking votes by hand from the very start, currently almost 500 posts in

yeah, I'm at about 1800

The end of Day 1 is fucking grindy as shit.

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So far, the feeling that there are a bunch of mass wagon hops is supported, but it's mostly like, STD/Drew/Gimli/Fire, which.... Yeah. Not all that surprising.

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do u have a spreadsheet?

Yeah, votes by each player along with date of vote

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because bingle is good with mechanics and tanuki is probably one of my strongest town reads

I haven't gotten to a part of the game where much mechanically interesting has happened. I'm aware that there is some potential mechanical dichotomy of failed actions/desperate claims, but I don't have enough knowledge at the moment to weigh in on whether claiming is useful. I'm also aware that there are supposedly two different desperates.

Personally leaning on voting ccs over you atm, and if you don't have to claim you shouldn't.

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do u have a spreadsheet?

Yeah, votes by each player along with date of vote

Woukd you be willing to share once you’re done? I don’t expect to finish before you and if your work can help me shrimplify mine, that would be nice

Cant share the document because temp info, but here:

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I took a break on page 74

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do u have a spreadsheet?

Yeah, votes by each player along with date of vote

Woukd you be willing to share once you’re done? I don’t expect to finish before you and if your work can help me shrimplify mine, that would be nice

Cant share the document because temp info, but here:

Only checked mine, but I voted for Elements on the 8th and it's not on there

Noted, but I'm not really worried about it being exhaustive or anything. I'm just keeping track of individual voting trends as I read. It'd be a hell of a lot faster if I was doing it by just cntrl-f ing vote, but I'm reading for context and just kinda doing this in the background.

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2HD, for instance, was probably killed for being unpredictable and impossible to push over any particular stances, because they had the attention span of a cocker spaniel on meth.

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VOTE: HPE


I actively disagree that NKA is incriminating against it, but none of its posting gives me any inkling of town. I’d prefer HuTao or CCS but I’m no where near current enough to try to strong arm a lim with less than a day before deadline.

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WRT scum wanting to claim/not wanting to claim, I vaguely jive with the argument in a general sense, but it’s also possible scumTheta had a planned claim that has since become non viable. I don’t want to lim theta today, regardless.

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honestly bingle not dying is probably +scum points for him

If I get enough points can I join the scum team?

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VOTE: theta
I was a night 3 cop not a night 2 cop

that

hmm
i want to vote you back but i should probably check something first

@boon

does a vanillaizer or other ability that removes a modifier or part of a role act before or after investigatives on a night

Hypothetically, would depend on role.

@mod, are you using NAR?

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cool can we kill tanuki now

No

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Somebody bit me last night

The fruit we got N1 could cure poison, me thinks this was to combat a bite?

No. In order for there to be a groupscum arsonist or poisoner, balance wise, we’re looking at a 2p scumteam with the amount of apparent power.

There’s a very simple reason tanuki hasn’t been killed if town: they’re clearly a setup tent pole which means there’s probably some method of keeping them alive.

Massclaim is either today or tomorrow, I think. I’ll finish my catch-up tonight.

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VOTE: theta
I was a night 3 cop not a night 2 cop

that

hmm
i want to vote you back but i should probably check something first

@boon

does a vanillaizer or other ability that removes a modifier or part of a role act before or after investigatives on a night

Hypothetically, would depend on role.

@mod, are you using NAR?

i think he said yes earlier

demillerizer would count as a miscellaneous action, i would think

Irrelevant, NAR resolves powers that affect other powers first. So unless the investigate specifically said that it was priority resolution if this is NAR then the cop would get a non Miller result on the night of a demillerization.

Booneytoonz doesn’t require NAR, hence the ask.

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Just a Miller.

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Does someone have a mech list?

Claims and visible effects?

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on second thought i dont see merlyn going through all the trouble of setting up a fakeclaim with devil just to claim fruit vendor of all things

so she's probably legitimately a fruit vendor?

she could be mafia fruit vendor... but why would the STARS ppl vend the omni fruit

I feel like I’m missing something. How do we know the STARS people are the scumteam. I feel like this is a common belief and I have no idea where it came from.

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=A flyer reads: WELCOME TO THE RESISTANCE!

You were invited to an underground meeting of new recruits into

the Resistance

to take down the STARS Conglomerate, specifically the Conways, the family that's been in power the past 80 years.

Unfortunately,

WINSTON O'BRIEN

, has gained intel that it's likely members of the

STARS Gendarmerie

, a.k.a. the

Red Force

, named for being mostly comprised of those part of the Red Stripe Division, have infiltrated the meeting.

Winston O'Brien has initiated lockdown. But be careful, the STARS Gendarmerie is known to have access to special weaponized tech that could wipe them all out in the blink of an eye.

Ahhh. Boon posted it. That makes sense, I never read things boon posts.

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oh

special weaponized tech that can wipe them all out in the blink of an eye

i just noticed that

god are we actually dealing with an arson-like mechanic

No. Arsonist is a very overpowered scumkill mechanic. Arsonist + factional kill requires a truly ridiculous amount of town power to balance.

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okay what does flavor being semantics mean

It means, arguably, that we could help solve the game with flavor, but ultimately it is an effort to outguess the mod. And boon isn’t willing to take the blame if we fail miserably in doing so. I’m ignoring the flavor, because that’s a trap.

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true

i have been wondering how balanced announced arson + fruit vendor that cures arson targets is but i am not sure

Not. It makes the game into “does scum kill the only role that makes scum not OP as fuck.” Which is shit game design. It be like a N4 universal public cop.

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unless there’s an SK

:thorface:

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I've been purposely being scummy so I wouldn't die

Never do this, it’s a great way to lose games.

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We’re waiting on stage claim, correct?

As far as theta/hu Tao role symmetry, there is at most one groupscum in theta/tanuki/hu Tao. They may all be town.

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I've been purposely being scummy so I wouldn't die

Never do this, it’s a great way to lose games.

I've never been misvoted out as town

Cool, but you know what’s more useful than not dying? Contributing to catching scum.

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Fire, she is the one you cannot trust now.

i trust no one but cephy

My heart, she breaks.