Shell Game (Night 4)

[Firebringer]

I have a hard time believing this is how i would catch scum you

[Firebringer]

yeah none of that actually looks like a scumread.

[Firebringer]

i refuse to have fun

[Firebringer]

Ill have my fun when night comes. Just u wait Spiffeh im visiting u first

[Firebringer]

gonna snarglefargle all over you

[Firebringer]

i still say actiondan is scum because of my dream

[Firebringer]

What if i have secret mutant powers or like im a fortune teller that can see the future.

But i can only do so in rl dreams.

We should vote experience just to check to verify my abilities

[Firebringer]

@dunnstral do u believe in the power of my dreams?

[Firebringer]

what a waste of ur cheese

VOTE: sircakez

[Firebringer]

I think morph is scum

do townie things to convince spiffeh ur town for me so i don't have to

[Firebringer]

i feel even better about dann now

[Firebringer]

i spent a half hour trying to figure out how to make two data sets reconcile without actually doing reconilation.
I mean, the easiest thing to do would be to do actual comparisons of data and analyze difference. But its 45000 lines. I am off by 200 from one data set to other for a "completeness check". Problem is when I tried to deeper digging it looks like theres false positives between them so the gap might be large.

I guess ill just call an engineer tomorrow to ask him to help me audit this shit.

[Firebringer]

bingle whats scummy about me, besides my red pm

[Firebringer]

dannflor cooking with fire now

i didn't give him permission to use me that way

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Bingle

[Firebringer]

and ur mad that marci isn't townreading hermit of that.....

[Firebringer]

how u want to celebrate in the scum pt pooky? I think we should do a round of cocaine

[Firebringer]

i cant believe bingle doesn't have any votes besides me

[Firebringer]

do i need to make a bingle case. I don't understand the cakez/gypyx wagons

I get the brian skies one but brian skies always gets wagoned

[Firebringer]

i have people visting this weekend and work stuff been neglecting so won't be here.

i may come back with a bingle case but don't expect much

[Firebringer]

ill just sheep spiffeh tooday where we at with vote counts

[Firebringer]

who's in the 6p hood again?

Hermit
Dunn
Spiff
FB
Someone else

yourself and cakez but u don't post there

[Firebringer]

who the hell are u calling a limp biscuit u limp sausage.

[Firebringer]

if the scum team is something like bingle/sircakez/brianskies/experience/firebringer this game is so sad honestly

there's no way you believe this is the team

[Firebringer]

at most i think theres 2 scum in that group. Thinking the whole team to be in there are likely even majority is in there is like wishful thinking at best.

[Firebringer]

i don't see the reasons for cakez scum. I know i misread him all the time so im going to outsource my read on him but like wtf is the case there?

I repeat what i said like 10 pages agon brian skies, I get the feeling and reason he is wagoned. ITs just the fact he is always wagoned day 1 in games i play with him and he is always town when it happens that makes me go that this is bad.

I just really want to elim bingle and im too lazy to case him or lead the charge there. Nor do i think anyone will listen to me (but honestly just using that as an excuse not to put in the effort to try)

[Firebringer]

scum are going to be in the middle of most peoples reads. I am going to be lazy and start collaborating everyones reads to find peoples position in everyone collectively and then hone in on anyone who is consistently null

That is my one task i will do in a bit.

[Firebringer]

22 people with 22 reads lists. Ugh thats work.

Ill pick like 10 people and collect reads list and do a quick analysis on it. Taking everyones is too much work

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

no, i am not doing it.

[Firebringer]

The post from FB also feels designed to give "look I have strong opinions on the game!" vibes but without anything to actually back it up

ur very scummy.

[Firebringer]

The post from FB also feels designed to give "look I have strong opinions on the game!" vibes but without anything to actually back it up

No but really, who thinks this is how i operate as scum. This is like thinking my scum game is in fact very weak when I take a lot of pride in my scum game.

[Firebringer]

i don't see the reasons for cakez scum. I know i misread him all the time so im going to outsource my read on him but like wtf is the case there?

I repeat what i said like 10 pages agon brian skies, I get the feeling and reason he is wagoned. ITs just the fact he is always wagoned day 1 in games i play with him and he is always town when it happens that makes me go that this is bad.

I just really want to elim bingle and im too lazy to case him or lead the charge there. Nor do i think anyone will listen to me (but honestly just using that as an excuse not to put in the effort to try)

This post is pinging me

What part?

a) it feels whiteknight-y of you while not really committing to the townread

b) I guess I'm surprised by how much he wants Bingle

That post pings me too.

Both what he said about brian and what he said about cakez feel like the kind of things scum might say to voice differing opinions on town wagons while also not actually saying anything that might slow down/stop the wagons in anyway.

Lukewarm however gets a pass because he is clueless on me

[Firebringer]

don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me

i feel like you of all people in this game, should be thinking this is at best NAI? So i am torn on this hot take from you on you being clueless.

Its like a well known meme between us that I defend you too often. And everytime I do, you end up being scum.
So you going "well this is weird" is in itself kind of weird. Because me defending you is is a sign that you are more likely scum than town lol.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

We are never same alignment anyways.

[Firebringer]

i did promise a few hours ago to do an analysis using 10 players reads list. Now lets see how hard it is to get 10 diff people reads list do this. This better take me less than 20 min to do.

[Firebringer]

The very first player i try to gather reads list. Lukewarm. Doesn't even have a list in his iso. I should fucking shame anyone who can't bother to give tldr versions of reads. I prefer lists that aren't over 50 pages old at this point too.


Ugh.
Okay, two things. Will give a brief update of my own reads list to use in this, and then continue hunting for reads list of other players. Then put a wall of shame for anyone who hasn't given me a list because if you think im going to try hunting for positions a person has of 22 players in ur isos right now. Ur kidding urself.

[Firebringer]

Theres actually a lot of people with either not posting reads list or so outdated I feel like its shit to use them.

I DEMAND EVERYONE GIVE ME READS LIST.

Pref in the format of:
Town-
Lean Town-
Null-
Lean Scum--
Scum-

Here are the people I want to hound for this: Dunnstral (give me updated one), Hermit Crabb, Firebagel, Morph, Gypyx,

Spoiler: Breakdown of my analysis

I am doing basic point system for how likely a player is scummy on my arbitrary system of seeing how close people are to saying a player is a null read. If a person is declared a null read. They get 5 points, if they are one step away from null they get 2. Otherwise they get 0 points.
If person only does Town/Null/Scum then only nulls get counted. I don't think many people do this.

Update: This is incomplete and I need to take away dunnstral points. His reads list is probably too old to use.

Current Points:

morph the cat - 0 + 0
Firebringer- 0 + 2
Brian Skies - 5 + 2
PookyTheMagicalBear - 0 +2
Dunnstral - 0 + 0
Gypyx - 5 + 2
Spiffeh - 0 + 0
marcistar - 0 + 0
Oblivion - 2 + 0
Hermit Crab - 0 + 0
Save The Dragons - 5 + 2
Shello and Goodbye - 2 + 2
experience - 2 + 2
Sunflower - 2+ 0
SirCakez - 2 + 2
Klick - 5 + 0
Bingle - 2 + 2
PenguinPower - 2 +2
Dannflor - 0 + 2
Lukewarm -0 + 2
Firebagel - 5 + 0
Cat Scratch Fever - 2 + 2

Spoiler: Fire Updated Reads

Strong Town: marcistar, Mroph the cat, Hermit, Spiffeh
Middle Town: Dunnstral, Pooky Dannflor, Lukewarm
Lean Town: sirCakez,Oblivion, Sunflower, Penguin, shello and Goodb
Nulls: Gypyx, Brian Skies, Klick, STD, Firebagel
Lean Scum: CSF, experience, Bingle

Spoiler: Dunnstral reads

a little old - viewtopic.php?p=14170283#p14170283
own:

marcistar
Oblivion
morph the cat
Hermit Crab


Lean town:

PookyTheMagicalBear
Firebringer
Save The Dragons
ActionDan
Shello and Goodbye
Cat Scratch Fever


Lean mafia:

Lukewarm
Brian Skies
Gypyx
Dannflor
PenguinPower
Bingle
SirCakez


Mafia?:

Firebagel
Spiffeh
Klick
Sunflower

Spoiler: Klick

from post viewtopic.php?t=92641&user_select%5B%5D=19776

TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Hermit Crab

PROBABLY TOWN
Dannflor
Oblivion
Firebagel
Shello and Goodbye

LEANING TOWN
ActionDan
marcistar
Gypyx
Lukewarm

LEFT
PookyTheMagicalBear
morph the cat
Firebringer
Brian Skies
Dunnstral
Spiffeh
Save The Dragons
Sunflower
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower

Spoiler: Dannflor

PEOPLE I THINK ARE TOWN RNOW (in no particular order)
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Oblivion
Hermit Crab (anonymous hydra)
experience ActionDan
Sunflower
Klick
Lukewarm
Firebagel
Cat Scratch Fever

The unfortunate mess of leftovers (in no particular order)
morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Brian Skies
Gypyx
Spiffeh
marcistar
Save The Dragons
Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower

from post viewtopic.php?p=14170986#p14170986

Spoiler: Pooky reads list

from post viewtopic.php?p=14173385#p14173385
Null Section [Not Enough Data]
PenguinPowa
Klick
Firebagel

[Firebringer]

if i was using something basic as a reads list to determine level of effort in this game. Most people in this game would be failiing id imagine. Idk how my low effort ass manages to get above probably half the playerlist.

[Firebringer]

then again a reads list isn't hard to make or effort and someone like lukewarm has def put way more analysis/effort than me without making a reads list until just 2 posts ago. So "making a reads list' = level of effort. Is insanely stupid metric.

But hey, i can shame everyone as much as i want. I am a grumpy dog today.

[Firebringer]

i do not understand the points system

My weigh of weighting how likely someone is to be nullread. The idea is scum are more likely in peoples null reads than hard town or scum reads.

[Firebringer]

This feels like busywork from fire

~ skitter

Ur going to get an even grumpy growlithe yelling at u if u don't give me ur reads list.

[Firebringer]

don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me

i feel like you of all people in this game, should be thinking this is at best NAI? So i am torn on this hot take from you on you being clueless.

Its like a well known meme between us that I defend you too often. And everytime I do, you end up being scum.
So you going "well this is weird" is in itself kind of weird. Because me defending you is is a sign that you are more likely scum than town lol.

I feel like you should be more suspicious of me at some point though. You even just said that you defend me a lot and when you do I'm often scum. So why aren't you thinking about that this game? I don't understand how you can feel so sure right now about me but not about pretty much anything else this game.

who said im super confident on u. Have u seen ur position in my reads list its just lean town

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

no, i am not doing it.

ok well then you should not be surprised that you are currently tanking in my reads

The fuck.

U wanted me to case Bingle so u could feel if i was town. U didn't care to be convinced of bingle scum.

U dirty little cakez. U didn't even want to be convinced bingle scum. I am definitely glad i didn't case bingle now. ill take the free scum read on myself

[Firebringer]

hey skitter u know how u asked me if im doing busy work.
Cakez was literally giving me busy work.

[Firebringer]

Okay, maybe you aren't super confident but you have definitely written a couple walls about me this game which I interpreted as confidence and you have not been that passionate about anything else.

i am very passionate about not mislimming u. I have cakez guilt from all the times u get elimmed in mafia

[Firebringer]

considering u won eminence in shadow though. Maybe I should rid myself of that guilt and be okay with possibility of mislimming u though.

I will have to consult my morale compass - pooky

[Firebringer]

Did cabd write that? I can't always tell

He did. But I wholeheartedly endorsed the gist before he posted it.

------------------------

That's pretty much the extent of our sync at the moment.

We probably won't cooperate with firebringer. What he's doing looks like "see me do this towny busy work???" to both of us.

I'm refining a bracket tier list, but neuterhalf hasn't had a chance to go over it, point an laugh, etc., yet.

Ur trying to get growlithe angry I just know it

And it’s working

[Firebringer]

considering u won eminence in shadow though. Maybe I should rid myself of that guilt and be okay with possibility of mislimming u though.

I will have to consult my morale compass - pooky

if you really want to yeet bingle then make the case and im like 85% willing to sheep you

skitter also said she thinks bingle is WKing cakez and being strange so maybe u can get her vote too

i alrdy kinda SR bingle and a lot of what he does here doesnt make sense to me

This isn’t a moral compass…..

This is pep talk.

I’ll go through and analyze bingle iso
But I find when I try to build a case like this it’s super forced

I might come up with nothing.

I’ll do so after work

U all bullied me

[Firebringer]

Ur all bullies

[Firebringer]

Did cabd write that? I can't always tell

He did. But I wholeheartedly endorsed the gist before he posted it.

------------------------

That's pretty much the extent of our sync at the moment.

We probably won't cooperate with firebringer. What he's doing looks like "see me do this towny busy work???" to both of us.

I'm refining a bracket tier list, but neuterhalf hasn't had a chance to go over it, point an laugh, etc., yet.

Ur trying to get growlithe angry I just know it

And it’s working

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

I mean….

Cabd is married so I know that isn’t true

[Firebringer]

lol we had a super long night and i forgot to send a night action.

i barely read anything new but saw pooky ded (RIP best bear ill see u on the other side)
and theres some sort of guilty on shello

[Firebringer]

You also ignored us

i never ignored u. fucking liar.

[Firebringer]

ohh is shello arguing im scum who soft defended brian?

Thats some spice

[Firebringer]

don't bully sunflower

[Firebringer]

It’s not my fault they got a scum pm

yes it is, u stole his town pm

[Firebringer]

the only person i want dead is Bingle.

And shello

Probably the other scum too when i figure that out. But it isn't sunflower.

[Firebringer]

the only person i want dead is Bingle.

And shello

Probably the other scum too when i figure that out. But it isn't sunflower.

why not

if u want to argue ur scum, i am open to hearing ur argument.

[Firebringer]

You and the mouse can go stand in a corner old katniss

Make me

[Firebringer]

ohh is shello arguing im scum who soft defended brian?

Thats some spice

Yes, and i am aware of the irony etc

~ skitter

ill give u credit this is more believable scum reasons u given for scumreading me compared to last time u were scum.

[Firebringer]

bingle could be innocent child and i still think he is sus

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Experience

[Firebringer]

I AM CALLING A HOOD MEETING BETWEEN ME SPIFFEH HERMIT AND DUNNYBOI

U 3 MUST ATTEND

cakez can come if he wants i guess. but he could be a scum butt for all i know.

[Firebringer]

Meeting is adjourned

we concluded our meeting and reached a consensus that Morph smells.

[Firebringer]

i have a vegetable not a fruit. can i claim that

[Firebringer]

my claim is NAI and i don't want to talk about it here.
Even if there is a high chance we have scum in our hood that its almost a certainty.

[Firebringer]

OHHH NOW IM NOT OLD!?!?!?!?

[Firebringer]

i liked regular katniss, and then u insulted me by giving that to Penguinpower, who isn't a girl on fire.

[Firebringer]

someone.

calling us smelly

is insulted about being called old.

tracks. :/

if ur going to deny u smell, we can have that conversation like im having this debate with notsci of me being old

[Firebringer]

i have finally read skitter claim.
I believe its a true claim. Way claimed it made me think would want to fight a 1v1?

Wtf.

Skitter, get the fuck back in here and tell me why u think i am scummy besides the brian defense.
Ur stances on me are so similar to ur scum game. Explain it like im 5.

[Firebringer]

i thought pooky died to throw suspicion on u and morph tbh

[Firebringer]

someone said that u two being alive was clearing for one of u made me go side eyes like wtf u talking about.

[Firebringer]

That was my mason buddy lol, fire

ur mason buddy is confirmed scum

[Firebringer]

i thought pooky died to throw suspicion on u and morph tbh

How would that throw suspicion on us?

I feel like you're pulling these takes out of your ass.

Fuck off

[Firebringer]

And thats how i feel

[Firebringer]

I gave that "ass take" from the perspective of. Hey, I am scum.
Theres two people in this game that are going to be hard to shout down and will coordinate against them. If i am not killing one of them, I am going to use that to give paranoia to the thread.

Either that or I don't think I can kill them because I believe night actions will prevent me.

That is where I am coming from with the perspective of "I wonder why morph and hermit are alive? Are scum keeping them here to create paranoia around them?"

[Firebringer]

Theres two people in this game that are going to be hard to shout down and will likely coordinate against us. If i am not killing one of them, I am going to use that to give paranoia to the thread.

fixed wording to make more clear this section.

[Firebringer]

I don't think i want to talk to morph for rest of this game.

[Firebringer]

maybe i just need sleep though. I am irrationally angry and i know it.

[Firebringer]

is there a read u want to talk about

[Firebringer]

STD u been constantly just voting marcistar.
where is the dragons that has the best hot takes that catches all the scum while town is lost.

I very much doubt marci is scum here u feel like ur just wasting either ur effort or ur scum trying to look busy

[Firebringer]

is there a read u want to talk about

Mmm, I dunno. Who's scum besides experience?

idk probably something like cat scratch fever and sircakez

maybe dragons now that i think about where all his scum hunting is going

[Firebringer]

shello isn't out of potential scum but i want a sit down with shello especially skitter.

ydra is fine for me. Maybe even giving me the most pause on calling that hydra just straight out scum.

[Firebringer]

i think morph being scum is sort of a hot take. Theres only been like 3 players in this game with that take?

[Firebringer]

is there a read u want to talk about

Mmm, I dunno. Who's scum besides experience?

idk probably something like cat scratch fever and sircakez

maybe dragons now that i think about where all his scum hunting is going

Why CSF? I read like 15 of her posts and mentally filed her away as town. Do you think if Cakez is scum it's probably an ez game where the scum are relatively low influence? How would you feel about the end of Day 1 if Cakez is town? That's probably the most interesting thing to me in the game right now.

im being lazy with her.
We are always different alignments.

[Firebringer]

i guess people have probably updated their opinion since the claim

not me

no

not me

i'm a diehard

[Firebringer]

sell me on catscratchfever

[Firebringer]

i still haven't thought about the vote count yesterday and who was likely bussing at the end of the day.

[Firebringer]

. Do you think if Cakez is scum it's probably an ez game where the scum are relatively low influence? How would you feel about the end of Day 1 if Cakez is town?

i don't want to get doom or gloom but i don't think cakez flip breaks open this game at all regardless of alignment. I bet theres at least one scum in the high post counts going deep. I just don't care enough to start paranoia right now.

[Firebringer]

setup spec:

what benefit does scum get by claiming miller in this game
what self-respecting mod doesn't go "hue hue hue there's a bunch of weird cop checks let's make it more fucky with a miller"

tone:

town, i like her posts and think they come from town, i think she's asking question and is engaged in an appropriate way

ill disregard ur setup spec point.
But i guess ur tone point isn't inaccurate.
I need scumreads though std.

[Firebringer]

awoooooo

[Firebringer]

u gave me townreads!

[Firebringer]

Ohh yeah....u did give me 3 scumreads.

[Firebringer]

ill just go stand in the corner ashamed

[Firebringer]

I’ve picked out the trophy plaque:
Firebringer
marcistar

i want to see what mine looks like since i won't get to be on it

[Firebringer]

Wait how did we graduate to the 'would not murder' tier

Also can u vote fire then?
~ skitter

HEY YOU.

I WANT TO TALK TO U

AND U ARE JUST LIKE LATER

WTF ARE U DOING

[Firebringer]

we can't talk now but you can organize players to vote me.

rude as fuck

[Firebringer]

i want to talk about ur scumread on me

[Firebringer]

Sure, what about it

Pedit i need more than that ...

i wanted you to explain in more depth so i can understand it.
So far i have im scum for defending brian. Then you also said my interactions with end of day wagons was sus but i think thats related to defending brian. That can't be it.

[Firebringer]

i am trying to find our last game together

[Firebringer]

found it but its def not the same as ur here.
viewtopic.php?t=90137&user_select%5B%5D=29653

ur too mech/action focused than talking about ur reads indepdently i guess.

For some reason I thought u also scumread me for interactions with wagon in this game. But ur reasons for scumreading me in that game were basically because i jailkept u and no kills so u had to go with route i was framing you. Not comparable at all to here unforunate.

[Firebringer]

i believe in skitter town now.

Okay, i have no issues with wagon on me.
I am done trying to scum hunt.

[Firebringer]

We could just elim Experience i guess. I think im voting there

[Firebringer]

i'm public ennemy number 1, this is flattering

i thought that belonged to sir cakez or experience

[Firebringer]

i am curious if experience will explain how much they have read. Cause this continuously i am catching up and not realizing that we knew his role is a bit odd.

[Firebringer]

at some point we will probably have to stop calling someone town for being clueless of what is going on because i imagine this game is hard to follow as any alignment.

[Firebringer]

i'm public ennemy number 1, this is flattering

i thought that belonged to sir cakez or experience

Hello mr woofy do you have anything interesting to share with the class

No i really don't. I hope i get yeeted soon

[Firebringer]

I'd be very, very happy to lim fire as well ....

same im bored of this game.

[Firebringer]

i also need to stop signing up for large themes

or just afk for like the first several days so you don't have to bother reading half the playerlist.

[Firebringer]

the problem with this game is most of what i read is people arguing for why someone is not scum rather than what makes a person scum. I am not doing anything to alleviate that problem myself.

Then when I do see cases of scum casing its not very appealing.

[Firebringer]

ohhh is wolfbae, peta?
Thats cool.

How u doin buddy

[Firebringer]

idk this seems an abnormal opinion for you warmpup.

Please vote me. I want out of this game and i will not curse another player to sub into a 230 page game. I am not evil just because I have a red pm.

[Firebringer]

ohhh is wolfbae, peta?
Thats cool.

How u doin buddy

awoo

hope u win this game.
w/e ur alignment is.

Hopefully scum.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:

im much nicer than u are when u wouldn't give me time to case bingle yesterday

[Firebringer]

nah i am town sadly

Sucks to be u.
next time sub into scum slot newb

[Firebringer]

Ohh my neighborhood wants to nuke me if experience flips scum.
I guess they think im giving up scum or something. Idk

[Firebringer]

thats not how i would describe klick play here. But to each their own. U got the role pm not me

[Firebringer]

I think it would be helpful if u had a day vig more than that tbh

[Firebringer]

im gonna throw out a conspiracy

what if bingle and hermit are scum and mason claim is fake.

ultimate power play.

Notsci leveling up the scum game.
Bingle true troll scum.

[Firebringer]

This is my favorite fanfiction for this game and the mod cannot take that away from me

[Firebringer]

maybe i should go back to that read list compilation to see everyones null reads. But that would require me to do something.

[Firebringer]

i don't think klick is hard to read.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: experience

[Firebringer]

no result on my night action

guess scum have a roleblocker

[Firebringer]

i spent like 100 posts scumcasing morph in the neighborhood last night

should have done nothing in ur neighborhood like i did.

[Firebringer]

honestly don't get why scum would bother blocking me.

[Firebringer]

think ur overperforming a bit there peta

[Firebringer]

but u know, i didn't see ur 100 posts scum case on morph so.
What do i know

[Firebringer]

low iq take here:
there is def scum in my hood
theres no scum in the dethy hood

[Firebringer]

i don't believe we have masons in this game.

[Firebringer]

i am willing to look stupid
VOTE: Bingle

[Firebringer]

honestly don't get why scum would bother blocking me.

Pet theory that scum's cop inventor doesn't have a sanity and instead always returns no result

why are you choosing to disbelive the masons now?

u think it was a better time to disbelieve it yesterday?

[Firebringer]

honestly don't get why scum would bother blocking me.

Pet theory that scum's cop inventor doesn't have a sanity and instead always returns no result

why are you choosing to disbelive the masons now?

u think it was a better time to disbelieve it yesterday?

No but that doesn't make today good lol

then i don't know why you bothered with the qualifier of "now" in your question

[Firebringer]

That sounds way to survalistic mindset

[Firebringer]

i tried to cop check bingle last night
i also tried to use my other ability but was informed i cant multitask

[Firebringer]

test of the accuracy of the cop check.
i also don't trust bingle.

[Firebringer]

probably not wise to cop check bingle when i disbelieve his mason claim already if i got one of the insane cop powers.
if it resulted in guilty on him i would still not trust him even knowing i could have a bad cop power.

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Are we scum then too, Firebringer?

ur scum or ur covering for scum.
I haven't totally reconciled it in my head.

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i have zero delusions on being able to push my preferred wagon forward this game.

at this point i am just making my voice heard on it, rather than convince anyone that im right

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i don't think masons make sense in this game theme either.
best buddy?

What shell game has best buddy.

If i go by you each individually, hermit I obviously townread you. But that doesn't mean you can't fool me.
Bingle i have not found solving or sorting at all. The most he has done is talk mechanics, and scum him can talk mechanics all day everyday.

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fortune tell
oddskeeper

i think my role makes sense in theme being able to predict the shell.
Oddskeeper in theme of it being a gambling game.
dethy makes sense now if we assume the cop shots are shooting blanks for most of them (they are the proverbial shells).
Where and how does masons fit here.

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thats true too gypyx

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So fire u think scum are fake-claiming masons

umm yeah thats what i just been saying. What part have i not been clear about

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Heck, why the fuck is there a psychologiste, we're playing a shell game, ceph your flavor sucks, boooo

ur just being toxic now, and im disengaging with u

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So scum have two fruit vendors, a thief, a bookie and a bus keeper.

Versus multiple inventors, a detective psychologist, fortune teller, oddskeeper vig?

lol

we haven't had everyone role claim nor am i asking everyone to just to prove a point about setup spec. I gave some thoughts on what i think of cephrir design possible choices are. U argue its dumb. But lets not pretend this is all the town power here.

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No ur just a cat

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Bingle and I are both confirmed fruit vendors. Bus driver is confirmed as well as a backup bookie. Unless you think marci is scum, scum have something that can steal items.

None of this adds up with the point you are making about us not making sense when we both are confirmed to have given fruit and we have already other things confirmed in the setup.

i don't give a crap about the fruits being stolen. How does that prove ur masons
u being fruit vendors =/= you being masons

the fruits being stolen =/= you being town
u asked the question earlier of why scum would want the fruits to be stolen so thats very true now on why it matters if ur just throwing things about stealing/etc to confuse. I don't care about the fruits.

I don't think there are masons.
My primary reason for this is Bingle.
U i have townread all game.

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wow i see that in the reverse that town has absolutely 0 power in the world u proposed.
Scum don't need a lot of power

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in what

Versus multiple inventors, a detective psychologist, fortune teller, oddskeeper vig?

in what world is this a lot of town power

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This is dumb. I am not engaging in mechanic talk anymore.

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Also I give zero rats ass about crumbs.
I have said this a million times before, but Crumbing is bullshit. I don't care what you crumbed day 1.

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…that’s me spelling out what the setup looks like in the world YOU are suggesting.

who cares who suggested it at this point. We are arguing over balance of it. Which I respectuflly decline the invitation and leave it to u as a win because its pointless because I don't see the full setup yet and think there should be way more town power than what is in that picture.
Stop trying to have stupid arguments with me.

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I think u know i don't like getting into dumb arguments. So try again

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and if the dethy has no scum, u going to deal with me still? Or do I get to be the one to flip the script and get u yeeted.

Why not yeet me now and prove ur point that I am just scum here. I am scum either way in ur view.

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Or we going to wild goose hunt the dethy to waste all our mislims and the game will be over.
U can't shut up me at ELO, Hermit

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It’s fine, we’ll deal with you once we clear the dethy scum

This also assumes ur going to be alive later in the game to deal with me.
U should be dead in next two days if u were town.

Why would scum keep u alive, u would know this as town.

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Aww, you’ve finally realized you can’t push bingle scum without trying to push me! Took you a while.

Yep, took me awhile to reconcile it in my head.
This argument made me realize u are just playing an act.

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u realize now that i consider u scum. I have no intention of arguing with u in good faith right?
So I have no intention of arguing u these points.

Its just diversionary. Its not for sorting me. Ur just trying to win an argument to look better.
Why would i engage with u right now? Thats a more honest questions than the one ur asking

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i have zero desire to convince anyone of bingle/hermit scum here. I said this before. If yall want to make this an argument about why i am scum, go for it.

But if u want me to try to convince u of my world view. Meh on that.
if anyone asks to understand my world view, for instance if skitter or ydra ask me another annoying question as if i didn't explain it properly from my perspective. I will give anime gif reaction to u

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I don't actually think marci is town anymore.

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gonna sound vague but def doesn't feel like she is sorting.

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Personally idgaf, i can point fingers and call my fellow hoodies scummy but at the end of the day im not xonfident so i eouldnt mind if we nail down a different scum.
My only fear is the buff.

I would perosnally love a gypyx wagon

this post just sounds more like a scum marci post than a town marci post

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in my heart im okay with gypyx or oblivion

So you don’t want to eliminate in the dethy hood today?

Remind me why you’re townreading Sunflower, or point me to a post where you’ve explained it already

If you would not put words in my mouth that would be amazing honey xoxo

i've already explained at multiple points that im not sure who the scum in my hood is. i have reasons to sus them all. i am not confident calling the shots hereat all.

i am not looking thru my iso to find the post from last phase where i tr sunflowers. you can go find that yourself.

have fun xoxo

annoyed scum

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dont know what to think of firebringer attacking the masons.

non commiting to a read here or even give general thoughts. Scummy

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I think i read marci town day one because she seemed clueless and completely open about all the information she had, but i now think she was just being open about she was lost in the game mech

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marci scum probably means im wrong on the masons

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i don't think i really know the difference that well between marci town and scum game. I only remember when we were partners and she was waffling super hard in thread.

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not waffling but flailing i guess. She was hyper focused day 1 and then fake claimed and was focused up until eliminated day 2.

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I don't think there are masons.
My primary reason for this is Bingle.
U i have townread all game.

i think this part specifically is the part that feels like scum!firebringer to me

the like kinda cheekily blatant display of cognitive dissonance

have u played against scum me.
i don't remember u have ever

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Fire my problem with this argument is that it will become clear very easily that there are not masons if they are still alive later in the game. I don't see any point to shaking this hive right now.

thats true but then u have the argument scum are keeping them alive to just paranoia us and then we are running in circles arguing whether one of them is scum.

That problem only exists if they continue to survive, and i am betting they do. I don't think anyone here is going to be convinced they are scum day 4 if both are still alive.

but i am not here trying to convince anyone like i said.

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I don't think there are masons.
My primary reason for this is Bingle.
U i have townread all game.

i think this part specifically is the part that feels like scum!firebringer to me

the like kinda cheekily blatant display of cognitive dissonance

have u played against scum me.
i don't remember u have ever

how quickly you forget the fire buddies :c

i don't consider marathons a good comparison to normal mafia

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yeah i don't want to elim sunflower

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i'm gonna b ehonest idk if sunflower is scum but i think the slot needs to be resolved and we have enuf space/mislims now to do it
regardless of his flip i want to just move on from the hood afterwards

how many mislims do u think we have

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if anyone is wondering in my neighborhood why i am not talking in there anymore. I am done with that chat. As far as im concerned its completely comprimised and i don't care to help townies in there or just creating pages of nonsense in there of why u shouldn't listen to hermit/bingle.

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You haven’t been talking in there for most of the game, I’m not really sure what this is supposed to change.

Thats def not true. But im not going to argue this.

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VOTE: marcistar

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i'm gonna b ehonest idk if sunflower is scum but i think the slot needs to be resolved and we have enuf space/mislims now to do it
regardless of his flip i want to just move on from the hood afterwards

how many mislims do u think we have

we're at 18 and i'm assuming there's 4-5 scum left, so many

thats 3 or 4 if you theres zero extra deaths

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VOTE: Sir Cakez

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Can someone explain the dicotemy again of how it had to be one of experience/Sunflower?
I see talk of that and i again go, why was that a thing.
I wholly agree with STD when he said earlier that makes no sense.

It feels like game is in a pattern now from yesterday. I couldn't get a read on experiance so he defaulted to scum territory since i thought it was just dead slot of scum who couldn't keep up. Now we have a scenario with sunflower of people going he must be scum or needs to be sorted, which feels similar in some ways to experiance elim. NOt the exact same, but it has an air of pre-ordained inevitabiility that i don't like.

And most of the reasons I find people saying its sunflower are as shit as the reasons i see as people calling me scum. Not to mention the same people who say sunflower is scummy put me in the camp with him. Making the same dumb calls or reads. Like why should I believe any of you have this game on the right track?

I am looking at you Spiffeh on that last comment.

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id much rather sheep STD who has good instincts and i think is town here.
If im lost i think he has way better at figuring out best elims.
Also petapan lost his mojo this game so him calling cakez never going to elim cakez screams "this is a good push to do"

Personally i am neutral on cakez even to this point. I can't read him, ill admit it. This isn't a personal read anymore. I don't trust my ability to do so after failing so many times in so many games. I don't trust peta ability to do so either.

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And most of the reasons I find people saying its sunflower are as shit as the reasons i see as people calling me scum. Not to mention the same people who say sunflower is scummy put me in the camp with him. Making the same dumb calls or reads. Like why should I believe any of you have this game on the right track?

I am looking at you Spiffeh on that last comment.

You're more than welcome to explain why my reasons for scum reading you and Sunflower are shitty!

thx for invitation, but convincing someone their wrong is a poor use of both of our times.

also one of the subjects is me in this, and i have a policy never to directly argue why i am not scum to anyone scumreading me. Its a waste of time because we both know i have a bias and it isn't compelling to anyone, all it will do is make me look defensive and entrench u in ur views.

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u know whats interesting about firebagel and lukewarm.
They are both players i have barely said anything about.
I probably included in a reads list at one point but put them in null or something, but never really engaged with this game. Like, i know for a fact they are people least on my radar for sorting. I barely read each of their posts.

Its just strange how long this has gone on where i ignore them both, and both lukewarm/bagel don't seem interested that much in sorting me either. Like mutual disinterest going on. Very werid.

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Ok then I don't know why you're referring to me specifically when you're not going to bother to put in effort to change my mind.

I already said if I'm wrong on Sunflower I will be re-evaluating my reads because my view on the game state will be completely thrown off.

Just wanted to poke u thats all

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ill give u a vote count for scum points only

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Scum Teams Vote Count 3.00
Sunflower 8 (CSF, SirCakez, Dunnstral, Lukewarm, Shello), Penguinpower, Wolfbae Dannflor
Gypyx 1 (marci, )
Sircakez 3 (STD, Gypyx Firebringer

Not voting - Spiffeh, Oblivion, Hermit, Sunflower, , Bingle, Firebagel
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to make an offering to the blood god.

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new day same shit.

whats up everyone,

i forgot what i sent for night actions so let me double check that.

I mean besides continuing to spam to kill spiffeh in the scum pt

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okay so i checked wolfbae last night.
Saw what he did on night 2.
He apparently went to firebagel.

That ends my report.

Also wolfbae should be able to confirm he saw me visit him but like who cares about that

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Now that Shello is confirmed Town (even though I was leaning that direction anyway) I see no reason for scum to have role blocked Firebringer if he were Town over Shello on Night 2. Both claimed cop shots (FB's in the hood I believe?) and I'd imagine scum would prioritize blocking the Oddskeeper that could prevent their Bookie from going through over FB's claimed role in the neighborhood. Firebringer also indicated he would be using the cop shot over his actual role in the neighborhood, so if FB isn't the scum in our neighborhood, Scum were basically informed that he wouldn't be using his other ability and didn't have much reason to think he'd use his actual role. Meaning the roleblock on him still makes no sense.

Firebringer is either getting deliberately framed or is just scum here. And I am still town reading everyone else in the neighborhood but him so I am leaning towards the latter.

im not being framed also ur presumption seems to be that i would lie about being roleblocked rather than just lie about the results of the cop check. Like one is way better than other.

I think most of the cop inventions are blanks that result in roleblocking and this was discussed yesterday so unless u got new things to the table this is dumb

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you think someone actually roleblocked me STD? i think that seems less weird than u having a faulty invention

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Inventor of Cops of Unknown Reliability

unknown reliability definitely seems to indicate that a cop shot won't work at all possibly along with giving non sane results

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you were supposed to receive that a fortune teller read your past or something

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mod error?

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i find it hard to believe i was roleblocked by scum

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w/e thats a mystery for post game.

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It is confirmed, in the description of the invention I received, that the 4 possible reliabilities are: sane, insane, naive and paranoid (they actually have different names but I really don't want to get sanctioned for quoting mod communication so yeah). Sane cop is called "reliable cop" in Ceph's terminology though.

the fuck?

I didin't get description of the cop check i got

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holy shit i did get a description of the cop and no result wasn't an option.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED!?!?!?! THE FUCK

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holy shit i did get a description of the cop and no result wasn't an option.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED!?!?!?! THE FUCK

reading again it does say you may get no result, but its pretty clearly on the 4 possible scenarios for the innocent/guilty on reliability

But still i got blocked. This scum team is crazy

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Firebringer, what sort of info was your role supposed to give you with that action?

i just gave u the info i got from my action.

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Firebringer questions the value of using the cop shot and says it is worthless. I say again that I think they should use the cop but since they don't seem convinced I start going over mech for how they should use their role. I say target outside of the dethy hood, and don't target morph, shello, hermit, or bingle either. I then get more specific and say if they just want a target, choose Dannflor. Firebringer does not respond for the rest of the night phase.

i swear you said i should cop someone like Bingle and i did target bingle for cop.
I don't remember if you said i should use my actual role outside of dethy tbh but that makes sense. I thought targetting wolf last night was a good idea for some reason that i don't remember

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so is anyone but me going to point out the fact we at day 4 when the masons revealed day 2 and the masons are both still alive.

or should i come back on day 5 to repeat how sus this is

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apparently in a bingle/hermit/me town world.
scum are trying to frame me.
And ramping up my suspicions of the masons by just not killing them.