Shell Game (Night 4)

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by what?

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How cakez gives a couple posts of substance and yall suddenly love him

Like am i missing something? Why switch up so easily

(Yall = not just you)

love him? I don't hate his posts, and I do kinda think that swinging even this hard at my hydra probably isn't how scum-Cakez decides to start playing the game. But I wouldn't bet the farm on that thought.

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Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

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We weren't voting him. I don't think we ever voted him, though I was iffy about voting Brian instead of him at that point.

The unvotes have a sort of herd movement appearance to me.

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Morph, why do you expect Cakez to be good at reading you?

Marci, do you expect more than this from Cakez as town?

It's not that I expect him to be good at reading us. I expected town-Cakez to be cautious reading us -- me specifically -- because his track record is ehhh.

I came into this game cautious about default-reading players I have gotten wrong, especially recently. It's one of the reasons I didn't take a stance on firebringer, except to side-eye pooky for having him as a top townread on page 2 or 3 or whenever.

I kinda expect the same of other players. And I take their reads with a few footnotes if there seems to be a default aspect going on.

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Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

You're scumreading us afaik. How do you think scum-me/scum-cakez would position around each other? Is this situation what you expect from that perspective?

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I think his overall tone in his posts following the reads list is pretty good actually?

This is what I didn't hate.

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I think his overall tone in his posts following the reads list is pretty good actually?

This is what I didn't hate.

Other then his you read, do you hate his reads list?

I obviously disagree with some of his reads. Hermit Crab in particular. They're still sitting t the top of my reads list and that read has strengthened over time. I feel like I'm vibing better with them than anyone else in the game. Of Cakez' bottom tier, besides me/us I think he's wrong about firebagel.

His idunno pile has some correspondence with mine. As far as his top tiers go, not 100% agreement, but I can at least see

why

some players would disagree with my reads on those players. And there are players like PenguinPower who I'm playing with for the first time. I've gone from light scumread, to nullish to nulltownish mostly based on his comfort level in playing the way he's playing, if that makes sense. Someone strong townreading him doesn't set off alarm bells to me.

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Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

You're scumreading us afaik. How do you think scum-me/scum-cakez would position around each other? Is this situation what you expect from that perspective?

In general, I don't like to team solve, so that seems more like a question for after one or the other of you actually flip scum.

If try to pretend that cakez is flipped scum right now, I don't think that your interactions are clearing? I can see you guys suggesting he needs a ballsy scum read if he wants to pull himself out of the hole he was in. But I also don't think that it is particularly linked either?

But again, that is a question that gets more brain power after a flip.

I thought that scum-cakez would point to scum-us from your pov, so this isn't surprising to me.

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I thought that scum-cakez would point to scum-us from your pov, so this isn't surprising to me.

Why do you think that I would have that connection drawn between you guys?

We scumread Cakez' entrance but never voted him. From your POV it should look like I backed off that read at the earliest opportunity I could. If you think we'd coach Marci (and scum-Cabd definitely would if he thought she needed it), why wouldn't you think we'd also coached Cakez? If anything, scumreading us

should

point to Cakez being a possible partner.

I'm making a really big deal out of your POV here because there's a lot of irony in you having this POV, but I'll leave that for you to figure out on your own. Or not.

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I don't think this is going to be a day 1 whole team solve game for us, unless something(s) magical happens that firms up a bunch of reads. This feels more like a Yggdrasil than a NSN right now.

I think our top tiers of townreads are pretty solid, though. And Pooky has moved into 3rd tier town.

I'm making a really big deal out of your POV here because there's a lot of irony in you having this POV, but I'll leave that for you to figure out on your own. Or not.

I also am not sure what this could mean, even if I am wrong.

Like, if I am wrong, then I got a day 1 read wrong, it happens.

It has nothing to do with townreading you. It has to do with level of trust in your read of the game and level of willingness to work with you atm.

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there's a lot of irony in you having this POV

Like I am not even sure what POV you are saying that I have that you find ironic?

Part of the irony is that it ties directly back to our first exchange in this game and why Cabd and I both resoundingly townread you for it.

That's about as much point belaboring as I want to do atm.

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I am home from a day of familial strugglebussing ready to do mafia family struggles instead.

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morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Hermit Crab (anonymous hydra)
Bingle
Dannflor
Lukewarm
Cat Scratch Fever
Oblivion

Firebagel
Spiffeh
Gypyx

Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)
Brian Skies
SirCakez
PenguinPower

One of marcistar / experience / Save The Dragons / Klick / Sunflower (JupiterXV & fireisredsir)

I am not satisfied with this list and I feel like I need to reread, but...

Imagine rereading these 113 pages.

-Herr Mitt

What do your hydra's dethy reads look like now?

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I'm struggling to stay coherent, but not being coherent was a choice, so.

I know I'm not giving myself enough recovery time but it kinda freaks me out how tired and slow I feel even without the coherency choice.

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Cabd also should review Cakez Xeno and give thoughts, thats def a thing that should happen.

Yes, but tomorrow.

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I want to note that CSF made the post I would have made if I'd been here and not sitting at Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville watching blood in the streets as my mother and grandmother fought over the check.

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Also, I'm not already murder-hobo for cakes because i got murder-hobo for sunflower and you all decided to shout down my pressure instead of letting it play out.

So clearly that's not happening this game. Pair that with the first visit from my mother's side of the family since kiddo was non-verbal and yeah. You fucks are fourth in a three-item priority list.

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I want to note that CSF made the post I would have made if I'd been here and not sitting at Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville watching blood in the streets as my mother and grandmother fought over the check.

I can confirm.

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<3 CSF this game.

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(She means confirming the blood, not the post, obvs)

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Marci, you're clearly mafia due to your unchanged taste in mountain dew flavors.

Just give up and roll over to die.

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Spoiler: For canadian derps whose names start with "M" only

FWIW I'm a little outraged on your behalf that people are scumreading you for some of the things they are re tryharding. Not everyone is, and to call that the only reason folks are scum reading you is just as reductionist and strawman-y as the arguments presented against my sunflower read, but I do feel your frustration about this part and it's valid.

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Tbh dont 3ven like soda anymore

Spoiler: TW:EXTREMELY SHOCKING SCARY

I've actually given up soda except as a very occasional treat because I'm in my 30s and old AF, but the meme persists about the dew.

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Okay I keep falling asleep at the keyboard GG next day.

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that's two of us. ttyl

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I really want a sync with neuterhalf about now, but that's not going to happen until late tonight at the earliest, so...incoming!

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Like tonally this sounds so incredibly similar to xeno cakez I’m astounded

It doesn't feel tonally the same to me since he's caught up. The difference in how I'm perceiving his tone could be that we're not calling for his blood on toast here. We have kind of a unique ability pile pressure on our scumreads in games, so maybe my perception is colored by him not being under that level of pressure (IMO, even when he was the leading wagon). He was very much under that kind of pressure in the Xeno game.

I felt like he sounded really tense in that iso, like basically the entire time he was under suspicion, and his pushes seemed really overly aggressive because of it.

But he did not seem tense to me in the posting that he had today, but :shrug:

I guess it is not all that worth debating, because I am not even town reading him. I am just not reading the tone the same way at all.

Yeah, lack of tenseness is a good way to put it.

Why are you starting to scumread morph, skitts?

their lack of scumreads + vibes
(which i'm aware is a somewhat unsatisfying answer)

LACK of scumreads? Are you serious? I find it hard to believe you can't find my current scumreads in yesterday's iso.

Whatever the vibes are, ok. I'm having an annoyingly slow recovery from covid. And neuterhalf has a lot going on in real life that really pick up in pace on Friday.

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I keep thinking about Brian's extremely unreactive iso in this game and comparing it to a really old (2014) game where he was run up to E-1 early day 1, had voted himself, and wouldn't take his vote off even at E-1. viewtopic.php?sid=&f=56&t=37614&user_select%5B%5D=22309

Yonks ago, but it's on my mind anyway. There's a huge gap in my experiential meta with Brian that started around 2014-2015 and didn't end until the Xenoblade game in 2020. maybe that's why I'm still move by such old meta.

Not moved enough to soften my scumread, though.

I think skitter said something about it being possible that both Brian and Cakez are scum and I agree with that. cross-bus could be happening. survivalism could be happening, at least on Cakez' part.

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@Cakez, what is your opinion of Dann, Hermit, and morph's reactions to the deathy reveal. (Started around 564)

Not Cakez, but I finally read the dethy reveal.

Morph looks awful, Dunn actually looks decently uninformed and towny, Dann looks bored with the whole thing which... NAI, marcy looks performative as all shit, Hermit is crazy town but at this point I'd probably just sit in the corner and cry if they flipped scum anyway, and pooky is probably a townbear.

Awful? In what way?

spayhalf played in both the games with dethys that have occurred on MS since I joined the site*. I was IN the dethy in the last one. neuterhalf was in the last dethy game. When the info coming out of that neighborhood started looking like a dethy we were both all over it and pretty excited to see the dethy mechanic in play again. I'm biased toward there being a traitor in that hood because the previous two games had a traitor-rolecop in the dethys. But, I can also see Ceph avoiding rolecop out of "boring. that's been done".

*I actually did some search-checking in the mafia forums to see if there had been another dethy game while I was on one hiatus or another. If there was, I couldn't find it. The inventor aspect of this game delays solving, and also makes it more difficult.

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My scumread of spiffeh has pretty much completely dissolved. dunno if neuterhalf will feel the same. I'm the big softie in this hydra.

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Also literally no one other than Sunflower themselves addressed my point about them crumbing the cop-inventor being scum indicative

I was reading through that part of the thread again, and thought of you!

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*lack of strong scumreads that you feel confident pushing

Is probably a better way to put that thought

~ skitter

Pedit can cop shots be used tonight?

We pushed the hell out of sunflower and got nowhere for our efforts. Even people who aren't townreading fireisred didn't have much appetite for elimming there. I think that's because the hood doesn't seem to want to elim inside their hood on night 1. And that's persuasive to me, as well.

We pushed cakez pre-catchup and got stick for that.

And we're pushing Brian.

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On a completely different topic, my AD read has deteriorated hugely due to experience's lack of doing anything so far. It's become worrisome.

Re your p-edit someone in that hood said they can't be used until day 3.

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Also literally no one other than Sunflower themselves addressed my point about them crumbing the cop-inventor being scum indicative

I was reading through that part of the thread again, and thought of you!

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that the traitor in my dethy hood in the smokefilled game crumbed being part of the dethy (and signaled "I'm your traitor" to the scum team) in their first post. There was some talk about the player being too inexperienced to play well as a dethy traitor. I'm not sure how accurate that assessment was, since the account was an alt of a banned player.

An early heads up to their team if they are the scum in that hood makes pretty good sense to me.

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I think morph is getting 3 cuz i said if we want mechanics we need to wait until 2 shots can go off so we can get accurate info. But then said it isnt realistic.

This sounds like a bad idea to me. I've never seen an invention-receiver able to use more than one invention in a night phase.

At least check with ceph on that.

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unless you're talking about us being the sanity check target, not a target to receive inventions. Using us as a sanity check is a good choice, probably.

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unless you're talking about us being the sanity check target, not a target to receive inventions. Using us as a sanity check is a good choice, probably.

Sanity check target makes less sense mechanically in a large because we can genuinely flip more players. Copventions should be more aimed at getting reevaluated with like 10 flips on the table where it's not that ambiguous who is giving what kind of result.

In the 19p 4nxiety dethy game, IIRC the dethy targeted different players. Between being shot at and one of the town in the dethy getting modkilled for quoting a pm from the mod, that dethy wasn't solved before they all died.

In the 17p Fakegod dethy game, we targeted each other on night 1 (we were a confirmed masonry to each other because we flipped the traitor on day 1), and I think the dethy was solved on Night 3. I died N2 (insane cop as it happened). The sane cop lasted to elo because lol pooky.

22 is larger, but is it ~that~ larger? I dunno.

I'll bow to your mechanical expertise, though.

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unless you're talking about us being the sanity check target, not a target to receive inventions. Using us as a sanity check is a good choice, probably.

Sanity check target makes less sense mechanically in a large because we can genuinely flip more players. Copventions should be more aimed at getting reevaluated with like 10 flips on the table where it's not that ambiguous who is giving what kind of result.

Arent we basically reducing our worth to 0 if we invest people who we think will die eventually?

Without flips or otherwise alignment confirmations of players with cop results on them, your sorta-dethy never gets solved though.

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each person in the dethy gives out consistent type of shots, right?

so marci's shots would always be X sanity, and std's will always be Y sanity, for example?

or can each shot be any of the sanity types

~ skitter

In a dethy, the cops' sanities don't change.

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My top four town reads have all made posts/had consistent vibes today that have felt inarguably town to me. For example Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past. And Penguin's entire day one play looks like town Pengy to a T, and I know because I had to twist it into some bullshit to try to get him eliminated in Eminence in Shadow

can you talk more abt your penguin read?

pedit i know that's why i'm not voting her >.>
i'm trying so hard to not push this because i think it's very likely a playstyle thing

Also, I'm not already murder-hobo for cakes because i got murder-hobo for sunflower and you all decided to shout down my pressure instead of letting it play out.

So clearly that's not happening this game. Pair that with the first visit from my mother's side of the family since kiddo was non-verbal and yeah. You fucks are fourth in a three-item priority list.

This doesn't seem like town!Cabd to me. Since when does town!Cabd give up on pushing his reads day one because he got flak for one scum read?

So I'm being left with this issue where I town read ffery's posts but scumread Cabd's. I really felt ffery's reach out to me yesterday felt genuine - especially her indignation at me going back to scumreading her again immediately after I fucked up in Kemusan. I don't know if ffery gets that same level of frustration if I'm correct about her this game.

yeesh. you've played with scum-me. Have you even looked back at that game?

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What's your point?

That the Pie game was full of scum-me. And this game ain't that.

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What's your point?

That the Pie game was full of scum-me. And this game ain't that.

This is ffery right? I'm saying you feel like town!ffery to me now, I don't understand why you're trying to get me to do meta for something I'm already feeling

We share the role pm. that's the underlying point. if you're town and have any doubt about our alignment, I feel like the Divide and Conquer game should heavily weigh against those doubts.

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unless you're talking about us being the sanity check target, not a target to receive inventions. Using us as a sanity check is a good choice, probably.

You... you are? What if you get shot?

...wait, how the heck

do

we coordinate this? Everyone investigating the same target gives the best info right? But then that means mafia can just shoot the target and all that goes out the window. There hopefully would be a protective around, but then there's also decent chance of mafia having use of Unstoppable to counter that...

If we're used as a sanity check on night 2 by any of the invention recievers and get shot that night(which is not out of the question despite picking up some day 1 scumreads), then there's instant feedback about the sanity(s) of inventor-receiver(s) who copped us.

Am I missing something?

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btw i think we decided to just make lists of 3-4 ourselves

experience already made theirs but i wanna see what dragons and others want too ! :<

What did experience base theirs on?

Have they posted much in your hood?

If so, how do you feel about them?

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How does experience's content in your hood compare to what he's posted in this thread?

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marcistar try not to base her reads on the hood challenge (impossible)

See this meme is the best meme so you can't scum read Marci folks.

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Nope I just got back from the art deco (and modernist and post modernist) boat tour lol.

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How many times do I have to say it?

Seven more!

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And CSF claimed miller in her first post.

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though that's a consideration for the invention receivers.

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And somehow we've gone up?

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It's a player who is a known alignment, is the main thing. That it happens to return like a mafia isn't a bad thing, it's that it's something that is provable because either they're town telling the truth that they invest as maf, or actually mafia, so they investigate as mafia no matter what. And we can calibrate off of that, if we go single target route. I suspect the split up plan is better anyways though because no way ceph as mod doesn't see the "easy solve" method if he gave scum a bonus or whatnot for delaying the solve.

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Yes, it's me cakez. I'm behind but have a little time to look at the game so am shamelessly using it to be here and interact instead of dragging my ass back to the morph-lodge to sync, sorry not sorry.

I'm only skim-read up atm, busy day with the fam but want to be here.

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Actually, does an insane cop come back with an inno on a miller?

yes.

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I was the insane cop in the Fakegod dethy. My results would have all been the opposite of the sane cop's results (Tammy in that game). So, her results and mine were useful. The naive and paranoid cop results weren't useful.

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"any other town slot", not any other slot.

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The fact that the wiki entry on "cop" does not use the same terminology as the wiki entry for dethy makes this frustrating to double check, but I think that they would.

This seems like a single night aiming all the cops at the miller claim should make all subsequent invests usable.

Guilty on CSF -> Inno on any other slot = sane cop
Inno on CSF -> Guilty on any other slot = insane cop.

Ceph is actually evil for this

Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."

just sayin

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fuckin meow. a 60 page scum pt.

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viewtopic.php?p=12469370#p12469370

Notsci game with Cakez linked to when I decided I need to put my bird backpack on, anyone notice anything familiar!

Am I supposed to be drawing a comparison/lack of comparison of Cakez here vs there? Or is this about your play here vs there.

Nothing today has called my read of you two into question.

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Stop wasting time, Brian has gone into "caught and accepted it" mode and is just letting us run around in circles to create more noise.

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Stop wasting time, Brian has gone into "caught and accepted it" mode and is just letting us run around in circles to create more noise.

>.>
I don't like this

~ skitter

Fun fact: I saw your post about "Scum brian doesn't do this" and IRL cringed. Could not disagree harder. Brian is so completely unconcerned with the game state that it's criminal. That's not town play.

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If you're scum and your elim is inevitable momentum wise, you either:

-Shut up and start shooting the breeze
or
-Start trying to antispew

Brian chose the former. A third option used to be "spam the thread really hard to generate gobblygook" but most mods frown on that and have patched it out via rules/guidelines.

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Did cabd write that? I can't always tell

I posted and drafted it, but it was sync-approved.

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Did cabd write that? I can't always tell

He did. But I wholeheartedly endorsed the gist before he posted it.

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That's pretty much the extent of our sync at the moment.

We probably won't cooperate with firebringer. What he's doing looks like "see me do this towny busy work???" to both of us.

I'm refining a bracket tier list, but neuterhalf hasn't had a chance to go over it, point an laugh, etc., yet.

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I don't think Brian is quite that oblivious given how much his name shows up in conversation and the fact that regular vote counts exist, and I find it incredibly worrying that you DO think that.

Even if he dropped in to post that breeze-post his name was on that page being talked about so he'd have seen it. Unless you're suggesting town-Brian plays by opening the thread, posting some random breezepost, then closes the thread, ignoring any and all posts between his last one and his new one.

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Who is old Katniss?

Woofboy.

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chat i failed my APs lol

I know this feeling. AP Physics was hell.

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Hermit Crab what makes you feel good enough about Bingle to remove him from the PoE?

I'm actually townreading bingle too now, mostly because when I think Bingle is annoying scum they're town and vice versa....

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Spoiler:

VC 1.1

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to banish.

VC 1.2

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to return to sender.

VC 1.3

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to exile.

VC 1.4

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

VC 1.5

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

VC 1.6

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to remove.

VC 1.7

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to fire a player into the sun.

VC 1.8

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to burn at the stake.

VC 1.9

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to obliterate.

VC 1.10

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to grind into a fine paste.

Has anyone else been noticing this?

He’s clearly paying attention to VCs.

Yeah, this.

Dude's in anti-info. "I'm just here because I am contractually obligated to post and not get a prod, but I am giving you fucks nothing" is the mode.

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No different than say, posting a bunch of BS right before leaving the dance.

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Anyways, hood, hurry up and finish so we can save me from having to post while my family is in town these next few days kthnx.

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Does your high school have reciprocity with a local university? I know when I "failed" my AP class, it still counted as a "C" grade completion from my local community college.

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So by "failed" do you actually mean "I got a 4"?

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So by "failed" do you actually mean "I got a 4"?

idk what i actually got, but I finished the test and I'm pretty sure I bombed the multiple choice tbh. I'm fine with a 4 but my parents would kill me LOL

Ah. Tigers, or helicopters?

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{Hermit Crab, Luke}
{Marci, Oblivion, Dunn, CSF}
{Bagel, Pooky, Spiffeh} spayhalf thought about moving Bagel one tier up,
{Bingle, Gypyx}
--------------------------- << above this line, all townreads
{

ActionDan

experience, Firebringer, PinguinPower} This tier is townlean/null. I've left experience where AD has been, but I'm

really

not liking the lack of content. I don't treat no game content as non-AI like some of y'all do.
{Dannflor, STD, YdraHydra, Cakez} YdraHydra fell two tiers since early yesterday purely based on skitterposting. It's like they have different wincons for real. Cakez moved up a tier
{Brian Skies, Klick, Sunflower}

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^^ Synced!

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Quick hood, finish up talking and hammer before the woof boy can get off work so he has to sit on his hands for several IRL days, it'll be funny.

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Ur all bullies

I am just practicing for when Olivia hits teenage years and I can be her life-ruining father, yes.

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The two of us feel confidently that scum in our hood is between old Katniss and cakeboy.

Didn't you just say you were no longer considering any world where I was town?

Do the two statements contradict each other?

I kinda feel like in this player list scum-cakez doesn't go too far before getting nailed.

skittz and old-Katniss are our biggest sort priority, but I doubt we get much more to ponder from them before the day ends.

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nya

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Did cabd write that? I can't always tell

He did. But I wholeheartedly endorsed the gist before he posted it.

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That's pretty much the extent of our sync at the moment.

We probably won't cooperate with firebringer. What he's doing looks like "see me do this towny busy work???" to both of us.

I'm refining a bracket tier list, but neuterhalf hasn't had a chance to go over it, point an laugh, etc., yet.

Ur trying to get growlithe angry I just know it

And it’s working

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

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Unless they're like, super cute. Then my morals crumple.

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ooooh did the widdle little firebringer already get pre-empted by post 3552

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Unless they're like, super cute. Then my morals crumple.

Unsure if you mean the adorable one or the other adorable one.

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@the cat, I agree on your townreads, the only one I'm a bit iffy on is gypyx. We also have STD higher too I believe.

If I could see all this great content STD is creating in their hood, I'd probably have STD higher, too.

[morph the cat]

Is it bad to copy paste the list from the hood so we can get it over with

I have no real opinions on this ya'll can figure that out and tell us, the entire hood can't die in a single night (Stage note: Cephrir laughs and rubs his hands in glee) so even if it's in there it'll be retained for us.

[morph the cat]

Oh well, if klick cared that much he'd be present at any point in the last...2 days 21 hours

[morph the cat]

Actually upon pondering.

If it's a deAAAthy traitor, we ESPECIALLY don't want it in the main thread.

Make the traitor feel forced to signal it to their team.

Right?

[morph the cat]

The traitor is welcome to use their invention on Pooky.

[morph the cat]

in exchange for being returned to our former tier i will translate all skitterspeak into ydrawords

- ydra

You were never in this tier before.

[morph the cat]

The traitor is welcome to use their invention on Pooky.

I will post this in hood so yhr traitor 100% knows

Thanks!

[morph the cat]

K show on road, I have a work meeting to go fuck off to.

[morph the cat]

@the cat, I agree on your townreads, the only one I'm a bit iffy on is gypyx. We also have STD higher too I believe.

If I could see all this great content STD is creating in their hood, I'd probably have STD higher, too.

you could try using the great content STD is creating in here :thumb_sup:

I thought you were scumreading us.

There is some pretty good recent content in here. You may dig yourself out of this tier yet!

[morph the cat]

Noted!

[morph the cat]

Pretty much!

I wish they'd just put him out of his misery, this is no way to live.

[morph the cat]

FINISH HIM

[morph the cat]

Goodnight, evil prince.

[morph the cat]

Just hide inside your shell EZPZ

[morph the cat]

YW for the pagetop bumps ceph.

[morph the cat]

Oh look the penguin ruined everything, as penguins are known to do from time to time.

<---Married to a penguin.

[morph the cat]

It was a pleasure playing with you folks as always, morph.

likewise. until we meet again (hopefully in this game!)

[morph the cat]

If it's a traitor, then scum gets denied the info for N1 decisions, why would we share the lists ITT?

[morph the cat]

VOTE: Skittdra

Hands in cookie jar. BUSTED.

[morph the cat]

We had a feeling with the way they danced around the "oh noes Cabd is being sooooo mean to brian preflip" stuff, but hey, validation. Sweet, sweet, validation.

[morph the cat]

Note to future town. We feel like Brian's play suggests if he weren't the elim another scum was in potential jeopardy.

[morph the cat]

Also someone sent us fruit last night.

[morph the cat]

You two understand this is the SHELL GAME right

<3

[morph the cat]

I (cabd) am confident calling this setup something like:


DeAAAthy of 4 inventors 1 traitor-inventor, pookyrole, us (unnamed investigative neener neener), with mafia having the bookie as a way to get extra kills off. Probably no SK after all. Guessing 4 groupscum plus one traitor. Good chance one of the other wagons from D1 is the primary bookie.

[morph the cat]

BACKUP bookie.

[morph the cat]

Guessing it's something like bookie+other good role. Rolecop-bookie or something?

[morph the cat]

Maybe? Dunno.

[morph the cat]

VOTE: Shello and Goodbye

There was a lot of fun drama in our hood last night it's a shame you all couldn't be there to participate!

It's okay nobody loves us enough to give us a hood.

[morph the cat]

what's a bookie btw i wanted to ask ceph but got lazy

Guess the day's elim the night before, and get it right, and you get a bonus vig shot.

[morph the cat]

night market?

[morph the cat]

VOTE: Skittdra

Hands in cookie jar. BUSTED.

To be clear, we are claiming a MECH GUILTY on the skitter-ydra hydra.

p-edit: Go ahead, we're all cat-ears.

[morph the cat]

pulling a classic ydra maneuver called "wagon us if you want but the role claim will come out and we can skip to the claim part if need be"

- ydra

I'm happy for you to claim!

[morph the cat]

The fuck is an oddskeeper?

[morph the cat]

(every other role so far has been on the wiki, including bookkeeper)

[morph the cat]

we can target someone + cancel any bookie actions

i crumbed the vig half earlier in the game

- ydra

Plz highlight.

[morph the cat]

This sounds fishy to me

What sounds fishy?

[morph the cat]

So did you shoot at all?

[morph the cat]

Let's hang off for any further votes, not get wild here and use the day.

[morph the cat]

I have not been informed nor do I see anything that indicates there is anything special about the neighborhood I’m in

It just lists the names of the members

It’s called the Night Market if that means anything to anyone

[morph the cat]

the name didn't register at all with me.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE:

Not retracting but both heads afk this evening for a while and we absolutely don't want the day ending until this is worked out.

[morph the cat]

Yes, Ydra skitter claim as town would satisfy the type of guilty we have. I'm still processing how I feel about the data that hit the thread as to if I believe them.

[morph the cat]

Also stating that we were very aware of the bingle soft and that's why he slid up the reads above town line.

[morph the cat]

Also I just woke up from a nap. Now I'm high and rogue solo while spay is on her bike ride of doom.

[morph the cat]

Although Ffery got "straight up masons" from it.

[morph the cat]

bingle could be innocent child and i still think he is sus

Yes which is why I thank rnjesus for giving me the freebie.

[morph the cat]

Yes, Ydra skitter claim as town would satisfy the type of guilty we have. I'm still processing how I feel about the data that hit the thread as to if I believe them.

I think they're town, but wouldn't oppose the lim if it came down to it.

My reads this game have been pretty tenuous tbh, and I've had like 0 sync with my best friend.

I do think FB is probably scum.

It was almost a coin toss for us between ydrahydra and firebringer last night.

[morph the cat]

Also I should note that mason fruit vendors is extremely similar and reminding me to the last deAAAthy game where I was the mason vig miller....

[morph the cat]

Morph is likely town because crab lived the night, FWIW.

that feels backwards to me unless this is mechanical related and not dayplay related

A little of column A, a little of column B.

Crabs is informed that I'm town. We've known we're both town fruit vendors since before D1 and I softed as such to morph then morph gave receipts of having gotten the message. I don't think hiding this is actually helpful at this point since the two of us should be pretty low on the kill list even as conftown.

hmm

[morph the cat]

@morph the cat

Can I ask why you had klick as 50/50 evil with sunflower but didn't seem to be townreading actiondan or save the dragons and were suddenly okay with votes on STD?

Action Dan was a very light townread. experience inherited that light townread but their lack of activity on day 1 caused it to fade pretty hard.

I ended the day with a much softened read of STD mostly due to our exchange.

I scumread both Klick and Sunflower. Klick for doing so little and Sunflower for fireisred just looking straight up scummy and worrying that Jupiter could be experiencing scum alignment fatigue and avoiding the thread.

Does your neighborhood have more urgency about scumhunting amongst yourselves today?

What are your reads of your neighbors?

[morph the cat]

nevermind hood reads pedit hell

[morph the cat]

@morph the cat

Can I ask why you had klick as 50/50 evil with sunflower but didn't seem to be townreading actiondan or save the dragons and were suddenly okay with votes on STD?

Action Dan was a very light townread. experience inherited that light townread but their lack of activity on day 1 caused it to fade pretty hard.

I ended the day with a much softened read of STD mostly due to our exchange.

I scumread both Klick and Sunflower. Klick for doing so little and Sunflower for fireisred just looking straight up scummy and worrying that Jupiter could be experiencing scum alignment fatigue and avoiding the thread.

Does your neighborhood have more urgency about scumhunting amongst yourselves today?

What are your reads of your neighbors?

Is Klick normally someone who chats a lot and that is why you were sus on him?

He doesn't chat a lot but his reads tend to be well developed. I haven't played with him since he came back from hiatus, but I did mod a game town-Klick played. Actually it was a Morph-modded game.

What does the stuff about fireisred and Jupiter mean? I'm not sure I understand how they can be avoiding the thread when they had a lot of chats.

JupiterX was nonexistent in the game thread until near the very end, where really all he talked about was his AP tests. That's a valid reason to not be around, but it certainly didn't figure into our read of the slot throughout most of the game day. Sunflower was probably our first real scumread of the game.

Before I joined the game there was some talk between Sunflower and marcistar about who could be evil, then I came in and there was more talk about stuff. It's quieter no though.

ok

experience said they were sus on you but never explained why when I asked. Dragons seems to have some kind of conviction and I think it would be weird if he decided to go against you as evil.

It's curious that my concerns about him were considerably assuaged by our late day one conversation, while he entered this game thread with a huge scumread.

[morph the cat]

tbh was it actually you who was trying to vote cakez yesterday?

i wanted to explore luke / shello / whoever the third who was trying to revive the cakez wagon yesterday, but i cant remember who the last one is

I put our vote on Brian when he voted cakez and said he wasn't scumreading him. It never moved the rest of the game. We scumread Cakez too, but our he made a tiny bit of progress upward based on my convo with him.

I reread the Kemusan game last night and there was one post he made that felt really town when someone besides me was scumreading him. Nothing in this game came close to that vibe for me.

[morph the cat]

rest of the gameday

[morph the cat]

Although Ffery got "straight up masons" from it.

We are we just don’t get our own PT

Yeah I assumed that from "blue moon".

[morph the cat]

Yours and morphs are claimed, Luke’s isn’t but I’m townreading him.

I was looking through VCs overnight and color coded them with our strong townreads and I’m expecting two scum in (Sunflower, Penguin, Cakeboy)

Same, and I kinda doubt it's Penguin.

How are you feeling about Dannflor these days?

[morph the cat]

Sick wife and kiddo. No more shit talk posting from this head for a bit

[morph the cat]

I asked because you literally didn't explain what you meant at first. Now that you did I see you are still wrong but at least I understand why you are saying that stuff. I don't know what to tell you except I asked to make sure we did not kill someone who is good for a bad reason

and then blame someone else who is also good.

I thought you were scumreading us?

[morph the cat]

@spay- does the fruit seem to imply it can be used for something

the note says that to my knowledge it doesn't do anything. It secifically says that I can't do anything with it.

When I read the PM I thought that maybe something has to happen before I learn more about it or can use it in some way, but your idea about fruit thievery makes sense, too.

[morph the cat]

Hermit, I wouldn't mind a description of that convo in your hood.

[morph the cat]

yeah

[morph the cat]

yeah

to notsci

[morph the cat]

someone.

calling us smelly

is insulted about being called old.

tracks. :/

[morph the cat]

Super secret alt who’s the scum in my hood and why

Who's in your hood again? You/Bingle/Cakeboi/Fire/Dunn/X?

spiffeh

[morph the cat]

I apparently was biking through a thick cloud of pollen this afternoon. May do a fade in a bit.

[morph the cat]

Haven't thought about Luke today. I feel like his take that wolfbae did a perspective slip is something town-Luke does sometimes regardless of being right or wrong.

[morph the cat]

i thought pooky died to throw suspicion on u and morph tbh

How would that throw suspicion on us?

I feel like you're pulling these takes out of your ass.

[morph the cat]

i thought pooky died to throw suspicion on u and morph tbh

How would that throw suspicion on us?

I feel like you're pulling these takes out of your ass.

Fuck off

It's how I feel.

[morph the cat]

Morph if you disagree with fire why do you think pooks died

My thought was someone who can bestir himself and lead town, but isn't likely to get protection in a game with a dethy-esque neighborhood.

We thought the same thing of our chances of surviving last night tbh.

[morph the cat]

particularly unlikely to get protection given the ascetic claim!

[morph the cat]

I gave that "ass take" from the perspective of. Hey, I am scum.
Theres two people in this game that are going to be hard to shout down and will coordinate against them. If i am not killing one of them, I am going to use that to give paranoia to the thread.

Either that or I don't think I can kill them because I believe night actions will prevent me.

That is where I am coming from with the perspective of "I wonder why morph and hermit are alive? Are scum keeping them here to create paranoia around them?"

I didn't get the perspective you were coming from. I thought you were saying that Pooky being dead pointed to us being scum.

ass take comment retracted.

[morph the cat]

Also potentially hot-take: morph's mech-guilty on Shello is real and their claim is a mod-provided fake.

Lol - I don't think Ceph provides fakeclaims but as I just said conditional vig is very plausible cover when mafia are confirmed to have extra KP via a bookie. Serendipitous timing.

Ceph absolutely provides fake claims.

[morph the cat]

Why even bother with a super sekrit alt if you're wanting to play a game you've been watching with a bunch of names you supposedly enjoy playing with?

Open mic replies.

[morph the cat]

I think it would be Firebringer or Sircakez. Though for SirCakez he was being pushed by Brian yesterday which is the reason Brian got voted.

You are absolutely wrong about everyone dying in that hood being ok. Also I think that is really unlikely

I think it's a pretty big overstatement to say Brian was pushing SirCakez. Maybe in the context of his overall lack of doing much it's sort of a push?

"yeah, that's a silly goofy thing that Luke does"

If this is about my post, I feel bad that you read it that way. I've seen you go on high alert for posts that could be perspective slips across a few games. Probably because I sort of squelch my own tendency to jump that direction. Mostly thanks to hydraing with Nacho back in the day.

The only part of spiffs flower case that doesn’t resonate is the crumb but, which makes me really like that for an option. I still think fb scumreading me was a comfortable place to be and not a real read. Would vote wolfbae, would sheep crab on anything outside of a townread.

If you haven't elaborated on your wolfbae read already (I'm back on page 167 atm), would you?

--------------------
I'm a little miffed that some people are

now

considering sunflower-scum.

--------------------

Also potentially hot-take: morph's mech-guilty on Shello is real and their claim is a mod-provided fake.

Lol - I don't think Ceph provides fakeclaims but as I just said conditional vig is very plausible cover when mafia are confirmed to have extra KP via a bookie. Serendipitous timing.

Ceph absolutely provides fake claims.

did you get one this game

most recent example of a sentiment I personally have seen Ceph express in dead threads and elsewhere several times: viewtopic.php?p=12902723#p12902723

also while it’s not 1:1 to what’s happened previously this game wrt wolfbae’s read on me/skitter because they were wolf reading my post at least it feels strange that people keep distinguishing how my posts are fine and skitters are not to them (morph and firebringer off the top of my head did it) and i don’t know how to approach rhat beyond it not feeling like a great approach

- ydra

it wasn't a great feeling to have, either. :/ we ultimately chose to burn our shot on you two because of the scum-threat/town-asset numbers being so high.

---------------------

still catching up, but don't want this quotestripe horror to be ungodly long.

[morph the cat]

klick i think made that one post that town spewed the slot

Remind me what this post was?

I'm not going to quote 4254, but it does read as just about the most town thing Sunflower has posted in ~170 pages.

I think luke's posting towards wolfbae is pretty hard to make as scum

probably

i'm just tilted because he was very blatantly not trying to solve my alignment. He was clearly reading and responding to ideas I had posted, but still decided to whine about his scumcase getting ignored. I had broken character a while ago and made some pretty substantial posts, which like I said he was clearly reading, but he also seemingly took no consideration whatsoever as the what it actually meant for my alignment. It was like he was processing the words and responding to them but not thinking about the person who was saying them or what it maent for his read. I would've respected it more if he'd chosen to double down but he just seemingly wasn't thinking about it at all.

So like if he's town it's really bad play but I don't rule that out as a possibility.

I kept it to myself reading through that exchange, but I feel like your reaction was over the top, especially given Luke said he was v/la. It left a bad taste in my mouth that I'm still working to get over and look at you more objectively.

Luke's a strong townread. He was at the Hermit Crab level for both of us on day 1. I've been a little sad that working together hasn't been an option so far this game. Though my work together circuits are a little fried.

Ok, I'm caught up. Spiffeh your answer is in this post. It's a short answer to two very long posts.

I figured there would be more I'd want to respond to in the last couple pages.

[morph the cat]

Remind me what this post was?

1403

Thanks.

[morph the cat]

I kept it to myself reading through that exchange, but I feel like your reaction was over the top, especially given Luke said he was v/la. It left a bad taste in my mouth that I'm still working to get over and look at you more objectively.

There's underlying personal feelings motivating that but you should probably be separating personal distaste for my approach from your alignment read on me because that won't yield results. I'll extend the same offer to you that I did to Hermit: just work with me like I'm town because I expect to have my alignment confirmed at one point or another and I think my perspective is valuable. I'm not as confident you're town but it's useful for me to talk with you as if you could be. I think I'm pretty findable if you do that.

I'm not pushing Luke or lockscumming him, my read is biased because of personal feelings, the biggest thing I have of note is that I think in a cakez-town world his approach to the end of Day 1 looks pretty scummy. I haven't dragged that into the thread atm because I don't feel like pushing it (it'd be annoying and I'm not that confident he's scum so making discussion revolve around that is pretty unhelpful) and I still have a good chunk of the thread I don't have much of a read on. (well actually thinking on it maybe the only slots I'm really unsure on are Gypyx, Oblivion, and PenguinPower. I decided Shello is town.)

underlying personal experience helps explain the venom, I guess. It's the primary issue I have with you atm, though.

we won't sync on newstuff until tomorrow at the earliest probs.

[morph the cat]

I kept it to myself reading through that exchange, but I feel like your reaction was over the top, especially given Luke said he was v/la. It left a bad taste in my mouth that I'm still working to get over and look at you more objectively.

I’m having a few niggles that I think is just paranoia. I feel like the last few games wolf and I have played together we butted heads and I would really rather not do that unless I’m fairly certain.

Btw, do you think that unclaimed fruit vend to Luke is from scum? It would kinda go against my scum thievery theory.

What would be the scum-motivation in giving it to Luke?

[morph the cat]

It does kinda make sense from a symmetry pov, maybe for there to be a scum with a fruit-vending ability.

[morph the cat]

{

Hermit Crab

,

Bingle

}
{CSF, Spiffeh, Luke}
{Dunn, ydrahydra, Marci}
{ wolfbae, STD} STD moves up for spayhalf over trying to quell the slapfight. Neuterhalf is still unimpressed
--------------------------- << above this line, all townreads
{PinguinPower, Oblivion, Firebringer, Sunflower, Bagel, Gypyx} This tier is townlean/null.
---------------------------
{ Dannflor]
{Cakez, experience}

[morph the cat]

Synced. We'd like to start working more closely with the top 3, and especially top 2 tiers.

Luke are you still doing whatever you were doing on day 1 with us?

Also.

Spiffeh and Gypyx: you two should be able to speak with some authority on whether scum-Cabd would have moved heaven and earth to save Brian yesterday, including writing his posts for him if needed. If you won't, then I'm going to link Tenet and dare this player list to read the abomination.

[morph the cat]

Morph why is Shello up so high now?

Their reaction to our result on them, mostly, along with claiming something that matched our result without knowing exactly what the positive consisted of. Also, like I said, I vibed very well with ydra before skitter became active and even afterwards.

[morph the cat]

would y'all like it if i post a reads list or something?

Putting down game content is definitely preferable to not putting down game content.

[morph the cat]

I feel considerably less strong about gypyx!town today

I think she's starting to reach PoE slot status due to the strength of other town reads

It's a little disconcerting to agree with someone I'm not townreading. the issue is that every time I go through our readslist I don't find compelling reasons to move you up. :/

I'm hoping discussion with people who do townread you will at least help me solidify.

[morph the cat]

I'm old school "ngl", "tbh", etc., always look scummy to me even though I know town players say that kind of stuff, too.

[morph the cat]

could experience actually be that disconnected and clueless about the nature of your hood?

[morph the cat]

I think I could add gypyx to my acceptable elim pile for today.

Also, experience is not doing anything to pull himself out of that pile with his recent posting.

We're pretty soundly unimpressed by Gypyx right now. I'm sort of wondering why we didn't move her further down during our sync, but we were more focused on what players have done move out of the POE than into it.

[morph the cat]

we'd be voting experience about now if we didn't want more out of this game day.

[morph the cat]

i think that i'm starting to feel paranoid about luke now.

Generally one has to have fully formed reads that represent the entire gamestate BEFORE developing any "paranoia" on them?

[morph the cat]

because

std was the one to point out the note in the hood

when as mafia, he didn't have to.

And

why

does that make Save the Dragons town?

for why i think std is town, i would say it would be both for

reminding me about the mod note

and for hood interactions.

Your honor, I call that an answer dodge gish gallop. Repeating the answer that was insufficient. Yellow card.

[morph the cat]

If anything it's the opposite. Why would you want to warn a player about that? I would want to get all the extra data out of it that I possibly could before they realized themselves because that timing is also alignment indicative.

[morph the cat]

FTR: Have not done the effort to figure out the mains of either super sekrit alt, my read on both is gamestate and here-and-now.

This is just sad.

[morph the cat]

Not surprised. However, am a little hmm at the declarations of town transparency from the cat who usually claims to not have exited his scum range.

[morph the cat]

peta/catboi

[morph the cat]

I wish I could claim literally anything experience has done since returning is definitively a scumtell, but no. If I squint, the fact that he only showed up when getting votes is pretty scummy, but beyond that the content is just...that of someone with no internal personal will whatsoever, which doesn't tell me anything. Still think you kind of just have to flip that. I do overall think STD is more town than not today but my accuracy on reading him is not very good, so, yeah.


I realized I keep basing too many things on how people are reading this group when if it's a traitor among the inventors scum are likely uninformed and can produce genuine reads on the group. When we catch the scum in here, please do remember that. The important reads for everyone else are going to be how they read the rest of the game, not the dethy. (e.g. i still like firebagel but it's not impossible for scum to make the push she is making on STD)

I'm not working from an assumption that the scum team doesn't know their traitor. Maybe they don't. Maybe they do.

It's worth mentioning that in Smokefilled, scum knew who their traitor was, but the traitor didn't know the rest of the scum team. Hence that clanger of a crumb in their first post.

On the other hand in the first NQN, the double-traitor didn't know who was on either scum faction and that was a cephgame.

[morph the cat]

...if the above is town shit like this is exactly why I am not counting on mech to sort the deAAAthy.

[morph the cat]

You targeted another member of the hood who now can't use the shit to test it. Because inventing isn't multitasking. Wow.

[morph the cat]

(if it is multitasking and ceph confirmed that to y'all disregard me but uhhhhhhhhh)

[morph the cat]

I... I at once want to know who on earth does it this way and at the same time don't want to know at all.

[morph the cat]

vote: Gypyx

unsynced vote, synced read.

still concerned about experience.

[morph the cat]

We're not hard-assuming that anymore. or at least not that it's specifically and only traitor-inventor

[morph the cat]

it seems the hood the sucks so maybe we should just kill indiscriminately in the hood so mafia dont get their boon

Are you still scumreading experience?

[morph the cat]

whatever. what's done is done and there's no use getting upset over it.

Anyway....

this game just ended an hour ago, I think gypyx is kind of just outed mafia

like just check the iso check back here, let's yeet her and we can all sing kumbayah

neuterhalf endorses this product or service btw.

[morph the cat]

Also relevant oblivion town meta!

[morph the cat]

How many super secret alts are there in this game?!?

Also why are people voting experience even more now? Is it even a good idea to flip in that hood today? Can we still resolve the accuracy of the cop shots if we start losing them already?

why are you voting for someone in the hood then

Is there actually a wagon on you? Am I being successful?

why do you not understand thing and say something unrelated

You're the one saying something unrelated, comparing one single vote on a player nobody else is interested in pushing to a large and growing wagon on a LHF slot.

Also lol at "not talking about things even you yourself have said," Mr. Kettle who dodges my questions.

I'm curious why you're asking if it's even a good idea to flip in the hood while voting on someone in the hood, too.

[morph the cat]

I literally would have made that exact come play post if id known the game was over and nobody had brought it up here yet.


But I was out at a date with the better penguin.

[morph the cat]

Dunno! I'll think on it but right now intermission is nearly over so imma go back to watching this lawyer convince a priest to commit witness intimidation.

[morph the cat]

but it would have to be once the Gypyx push became established as something serious

Has this happened IYO? If so when and where?

[morph the cat]

Well, i'm at 6 votes and the only wagon, this sounds decently serious to me

and also i guess i kinda was misremembering this, but HC's vote definetly sits on more of the grey area, when saying that i really was more thinking about penguin

I was wondering where you'd draw the dotted line of potential scum-jumping-on.

[morph the cat]

the way morph / penguin went about voting me is pretty good, and i feel like it's a realistic approach for town to take

when saying that i really was more thinking about penguin

??

[morph the cat]

:/

[morph the cat]

eh. I can see maybe 10 minutes to think about it could change that judgment.

[morph the cat]

Uhhh is it weird I think this is town

Not really, no. the big softie in this hydra is waiting for the cold, cruel head to finish his movie.

[morph the cat]

unvote:

We'll put our vote down again after neuterhalf catches up tonight.

Spoiler:

expect an experience vote

[morph the cat]

This reminds me of the LTO game where the rh9-temporal hydra just sorta gave up trying after getting caught by Dunn.

[morph the cat]

(I have not meaningfully read the thread enough to be caught up but this is me waiting for the bus back to my car)

[morph the cat]

tho really, maybe "i forgot" would've been less of a lie

You forgot you and your hood working out who should be in which invention target pool?

[morph the cat]

actually, that would be a bigger lie.

what would be the truth?

[morph the cat]

How much of your hood thread have you read?