DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GreyICE]

HEY PEOPLE LLD WANTS TO DIE

LETS OBLIGE HER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My agreement to die was that you are nuked/lynched tomorrow and that it occurs after nukes fall.

[GreyICE]

WORKS THE FUCK OUT FOR ME.

Say, by the way, anyone else noticed your entire case on me was "oh he had the failsafe he knew he wasn't getting nuked" and... I didn't have the failsafe?

So she gets called out and doubles down even though the entire basis of her case was wrong? See that? Scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WORKS THE FUCK OUT FOR ME.

Say, by the way, anyone else noticed your entire case on me was "oh he had the failsafe he knew he wasn't getting nuked" and... I didn't have the failsafe?

So she gets called out and doubles down even though the entire basis of her case was wrong? See that? Scum.

You know if Cheetory had nuked you and nohting happened the first words out of my mouth would ahve been "recall it".

The fact that you'r pushing me as you are now speaks to me of a survivalist perspective.

Which I mistook for scum but if you truly are Airbase, you're probably just the SK.

The main tennant for this is that your behaviour post nuke was super strange and then suddenly you didn't die and poof all this town cred appeared.

Feels super strange.

Oh well, it doesn't matter I don't need to sort you any further because you're dying.

[GreyICE]

A survivalist perspective. After I agreed to die tomorrow.

Suck my left nut

[GreyICE]

Also. You're SK hunting. Do bother to die now~

[GreyICE]

You're so deep in the tunnel that you're selling yourself on me being scum. Which means not group scum, since you know for a fact I ain't that.

SO DO BOTHER TO DIE NOW YOU DAMN RUSKIE

[Cheetory6]

@Andrius

, if someone who had been targeted by the ACC used their sub, would they be informed that it failed or would everyone be informed that it failed?

[Cheetory6]

Oh well, it doesn't matter I don't need to sort you any further because you're dying.

It hasn't occurred to you that if you get lynched, and you do flip town, there's really no incentive for us to actually listen to what your reads were.
Especially considering your reads seem like they're generally based off of who's pushing you at the time.

[Cheetory6]

There's also that hiplop is the SK, so postulating about GI being the SK feels pretty ridiculous.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh well, it doesn't matter I don't need to sort you any further because you're dying.

It hasn't occurred to you that if you get lynched, and you do flip town, there's really no incentive for us to actually listen to what your reads were.
Especially considering your reads seem like they're generally based off of who's pushing you at the time.

Can you replace out?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause you're a worthless sack of shit, frankly.

[Cheetory6]

At least I don't pretend to have good reads when they're literally just being upset at people.

[Cheetory6]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's literally the most shallow interpretation of my reads in the fucking history of anything.

[Cheetory6]

Looks like it's annoying when people are reductive, isn't it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not nearly annoying as the depressive episode wrist slitting you seem compelled to share with everyone.

[Cheetory6]

You know what, you're right.

Replace me out Andrius.

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[Vaxkiller]

That sucks cheet

[SpyreX]

Sigh come on guys

[MagnaofIllusion]

If I wasn’t waiting for Nukes to land on Vax and mastin to confirm they aren’t Commie or Terrorist I’d probably be voting LLD this second. There is no earthly reason for her as Town who seemed to understand why I delayed our claims to have constantly been badgering Grey about the whole “He knew he wasn’t Sub Nuked” issue. All that accomplished was making her argument look bad (which it was) and specifically make the Sub’s Nuke choice today if they want to eliminate the Airbase fucking simple.

@Grey

– God damn it man why did you let her bait you like that? You know that the entire reason I delayed claiming was to keep the uncertainty about your deploy as cloudy as possible in case the Terrorist truly isn’t paying attention to the thread and missed you obv crumbs yesterday, right?

@Spyspy

– please confirm to me that you didn’t Sabotage UT. I don’t care if you did anyone else at this point but I absolutely need to know that in a number of hours the thread will be spared mastin’s posting.

Did Andy ever positively confirm that the Aircraft Carrier could not block the Commie or Terrorist Nightkills? I haven’t had time to read through all 10 or so pages overnight yet. Because if so I absolutely want to revisit the choice for Nukebringer to kill Ircher with those facts solidified in my mind.

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At the risk of ~pushing it~ it occurs to me to wonder why my suicide was presented as urgent when we knew ut was setting an alarm. I almost bought into that.

The number 1 person was LLD on that BTW. What are your thoughts on her?

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I'm trying to be respectful here. I still have plenty of room to reassess especially after the current nukes in the air drop. But please just hear me out. I'm confused by this mindset you seem to have about mafia where everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you needs to die, no matter what. It just doesn't make sense. This game isn't about killing people who don't agree with you, it's about finding scum, something which seems to be second priority to you. From my perspective, your goal seems to be to kill the people you don't like. Normally, I would have trouble seeing any kind of town-motivation in legitimately pushing a multitude of liability kills. Even in the context of this game, I'm seriously struggling with it. If you're town, you have to work with me. If you think I've made an error in analysis or judgement, don't just say I need to die as a liability, explain it to me. Please. I'm not ridiculously stubborn, I will listen to you, and I will work with you.

Well let’s talk. There are several incorrect assumptions in the post. I’m not sure whether that is intentional (scum indication) or just happenstance. So let me address them.

1. My wanting you not to go to endgame is based on you disagreeing with me. That’s far from the truth. The reason I don’t want you in endgame for that post specifically is that is shows to me a complete lack of reflection on the game state from my point of view. You’ve lined up four people who from that post are the only players you think are Commie and Terrorist – Vax, myself, Spyrex and hiplop. From my perspective that is a bad list on its face. Let’s set aside hiplop for a second since you clearly think he’s the terrorist. How do you think teams of Spyrex / me, me / Vax or Vax / Spyrex make sense. There is nothing in your posting that indicates why you think that. And from my own perspective I know I’m Town so you’ve basically called the scum team of Spyrex / Vax. We’ll know whether Vax is Mafia soon enough. Before that can you explain why you think that team pairing makes sense? I don’t see it myself and thus have a hard time believing you honestly thought all four of those players being dead would win the game for Town. And if you didn’t think that when making that list then congratulations you’ve done exactly what you called me out on – asking for kills on other than a scum-read basis.

2. That I think you are Town. This is more implied but the fact remains you spent the early days saying “I should be utility Nuked” over and over. Yet today when I basically say “Utility Nuke her before endgame” your reaction is “OMG WHAT SCUMZORZ” which is not consistent at all. If you were OK being a Utility Nuke before that should not have changed for you as Town. I find that suspect.

3. That my pushing for multiple deaths is not Town. Wrong. Just plain wrong. Given my issues with point 1 and my perception of your play I don’t want you, if you are Town, alive to be part of a decision that might lose the game when Town still has a solid chance. The fact that you have LLD as solid Town in your reads list reinforces my perception for the reasons I addressed above. That may sting your ego and that's unfortunate but I've had career here on MS of dying and watching players make poor decisions in endgame. In this set-up Town has significantly more power to shape endgame while not sacrificing lynches on scum candidates. And that power should absolutely be used.

[SpyreX]

Moi its the holiday season i believe in giving

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LLD

V/LA Until I'm Dead

Go fuck yourself, MoI.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd give reads but no one would listen to them anyway so who the fuck cares.

[Vaxkiller]

Probably my last eavesdrop:


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lmk if i should do anything else otherwise i won't

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