Term Replacement: Lovers and S* Bombers [CW: Self-Harm]

[TemporalLich]

For stuff like post-restrictions or anything else where "self-death" is just you dying without any way to save you: "unavoidable death" would work here and has the mechanical advantage of being mechanically clear.

Kamikaze Pilot is a bad term replacement, not like it's any more racially charged than "self-death bomber" but doing that is just pure virtue signaling with no actual effect on reducing potential distress.

suggested term-replacements and how much I favor them:

"self-death" as a mechanic (e.g. Lover or post-restriction) - unavoidable death - kinda like this tbh, as long as it actually isn't possible to protect from
"self-death" modifier - Sacrificial - pretty decent imo
"self-death" modifier - Self-Destructing - too flavorless for a non-Normal modifier
"self-death bomber" - Self-Destructor - idk tbh
Lover death specifically - death from heartbreak - only for flavor's sake, unavoidable death works here for Normal contexts
Lover (the role) - Linked - I feel like a philistine for suggesting this my god this is terrible but at least it is a proper term replacement unlike Kamikaze Pilot. But really, there's nothing wrong with "Lover".

For something off-topic, kinda want to term replace "Prince" (can't be eliminated/exiled) to "Heir" (not gendered but still meaning the same thing I hope - then again Beloved Princess exists).

[TemporalLich]

as a modifier?

eh, kinda find it hard to see it go anwhere else than a vigilante but that's okay

considering that the only other Normal role that I'd modify with the Sacrificial modifier is a Jailkeeper it is too destructive a modifier to be good.

For non-normal roles you can have a Sacrificial Public Alignment Cop for example

[TemporalLich]

i guess sacrificial governor could be a thing also?

yeah, unavoidably die to save the town leader about to be eliminated, an interesting role though you might as well have it just hammer you instantly, a Self-King if you will.

[TemporalLich]

Sacrificial still wouldn't be suitable in a game without the death metaphor being used (e.g. the Mafia factional ability is explained as making players leave the game) however. For those games I will suggest Quitting, in the same vein as Quitter.

If that's boring, perhaps Ejecting to give the feeling you're leaving when using the ability.

[TemporalLich]

I did forget about the modifier that limits your time alive... honestly it's a stupid modifier that should just be forgotten about but if people really want that modifier we can just call it Leaving... as in Day 4 Leaving Townie

[TemporalLich]

yeah... Dying (as in "the doctor said you have three cycles to live") is better for the modifier that limits your time alive come to think of it, Leaving just sounds like you are a Quitter.

I think one person mentioned they don't like using the death metaphor in the L-word ban thread.

And yeah, taking your own life isn't softened by the barrier of fiction unlike just normal death.

pedit: to me it implies a sort of martyrdom or heroic sacrifice... and of course that's very softened by the barrier of fiction.

ppedit: I'm not sure Martyr gets the point of being a Sacrificial Vigilante or Sacrificial Dayvig across.

[TemporalLich]

I did forget about the modifier that limits your time alive... honestly it's a stupid modifier that should just be forgotten about but if people really want that modifier we can just call it Leaving... as in Day 4 Leaving Townie

or maybe doomed? this conveys kinda in a better way what the role is

actually yeah that actually is better

[TemporalLich]

for the sd-bomber perhaps Fireball can work (you are a fireball spell that explodes)

[TemporalLich]

A "self-death bomber" is just a type of terrorist to me fwiw.

Putting it as a role would be insensitive at worst.

[TemporalLich]

While "Targeted Bomb" does sound nice it makes use of an undefined modifier so I don't really like it too much. "Activated Bomb" is just a role that kills their killer only at Nights they choose to act as a Bomb, not a role that chooses to kill a player at the cost of dying themself.

I'd suggest "Fireball" (or "Magic Missile" if you want to go with a non-elemental spell for the same metaphor) or "Self-Destructor", leaning toward the former.

[TemporalLich]

Nosy Goblin

I really thought there were more creatures with straight "sac this to destroy target creature."

... I would rather not.

[TemporalLich]

A Reflexive Vigilante has a unique name: Paranoid Gun Owner.

I would suggest just "Missile" as the unique name for Sacrificial (Day) Vigilante so it will be less fantastical (while still being fantastical) than "Magic Missile".

[TemporalLich]

yeah, me too

it isn't potentially distressing (can I say triggering for this or would I be using that term too lightly?) like that other word.

[TemporalLich]

PGO is also a Vig with a modifier - Reflexive Vigilante in this case

[TemporalLich]

I think Exploder is okay for the SD-Bomber

though it's not like Sacrificial Vigilante doesn't work (Sacrificial is the modifierization of SD-Bomber after all)

[TemporalLich]

I kinda like the term "Exploder" but I want to hear more opinions on different term replacements for SD-Bomber

[TemporalLich]

I mean if you think about it, we are playing “Mafia”, i come from a country where mafia cartels terrorized the country for 25 years, we lived in fear thinking a car bomb would kill us at any time just for being at the wrong place and at the wrong time.
I think a better change would be changing the descriptions of what roles do. In example instead of “killing” (which is really scary in real life) we could rename it to “put in a eternal sleep”!, or instead of bombs that explode, we can use clouds that explode releasing sleepy powder...indefinitely. =)

What you think? (Im being serious, im not trolling).

We can just call the game Werewolf if it gets to that point. We already have a term replacement for "Mafia", and that is "Werewolf".

As for killing it's too standard and prevalent in American Media to warrant a term replacement imo... but again I shouldn't assume things like this

[TemporalLich]

And still I'd prefer "leaves the town" over "put to sleep" as the latter is just a euphemism for killing anyway. But again, I disagree with this sweeping term replacement.

[TemporalLich]

i kinda want to bring this back to the topic of specifically term replacing SD-Bomber and other roles that mention self-death

If you have ideas for other term replacements I'd suggest making a new thread

[TemporalLich]

more importantly why a muslim themselves would feel related to a suicide bomber role

Because of stereotypes and prejudice.

It's a common stereotype for Muslims to be portrayed as SD-Bombers, and it's an extremely damaging one.

[TemporalLich]

The wiki page is already moved to Exploder in lieu of any better terms.