Newbie Setup (Matrix6 implemented)

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You should consider adding some epicmafia setups, no joke.

Some have been played thousands of times and retain a perfectly balanced 50% ratio. Also some of them encourage direct CCing, which is a very good thing and something thats sorely lacking in the MS meta.

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Mafia is mafia. The setups are good. Maybe I'm saying you're teaching MS noobies the wrong things?

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I like these. Due to the nature of some EM roles I think you'd have to make special rules. Oracle is a pretty common role in EM/Competitive EM and its basically unheard of on MS. I think its balanced. Moreso than a role like treestump

Voltron Doesn't Like It:
http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/58204

Overturn 2 Riddler:
http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/428263

Great and Innovative:
http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/563501

Cry N Spy:
http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/471195

[Timeater]

Guiser is awful. And not included in any of the setups I recommended. Also, I think several O2R games have been played on ms. I know Trevor did one.

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"Confusingly heavy on role interactions" lol, you're being silly. There are no gambits on MS anymore. There are no CCs. Its really boring. Its producing really boring players and a really boring meta. Thats my opinion. As far as claiming on D1, uhh no not really. Not in those setups. Except for GAI. Which I know MS would never go for strictly on a numbers basis. Quilford, I dont know if you have ever played competitive em outside training lobby or if you know what its really about, and you are entitled to your opinion, but can you not turn this into an EM-bashfest? Thanks bro.

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Also I think classic is fine but I didnt recommend it because I knew Certain People would turn the thread into a flamefest.

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'bro'

I remember asking you if you were Junpei. lol

I think MS players would initially be averse to playing VDLI like what it has evolved into now. The only reason I can see the setups not translating is like Peta said, nightstarts. Takes awhile for you to sign up for an MS game. A week or more sometimes. It would suck to be N1'd. Anyway.

You cant argue with the numbers.

the nature of play on EM means

This just strikes me as bitterness and bias.

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Not trying to force EM's meta on MS. I'm just making a suggestion. I know EM is a sensitive topic 'round here. @Quil if anything I'd argue that because of the shorter and more intimate nature of the games, its easier to build cases because everything is more succinct. "Typing rate" is irrelevant and you know it. I'd argue that mafia was never intended to be played for weeks and months on end. I'd argue that if anyone was playing a deviant form of mafia,

its mafiascum, not EM

. But thats a different thread, different discussion.

My point is...did I have one? Oh yeah, the current meta is boring. Bringing a new style (not radically different, and proven to be balanced via massive sample sizes) couldn't

hurt

the site. It could possible make it more interesting and dynamic by teaching newer players how to CC and gambit, the importance of being cognizant of lylo/mylo situations, knowing how to do a proper 1v1, etc. I think its a bit arrogant to say we (MS) cant learn anything from EM.

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What about Bird 7p as a noobie setup

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Macho Cop/Doc, right? I like Bird. Quick, simple and introduces the basics.

yea

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bird_7P

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Bird is fine the way it is

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1) Semi-Open is cool! Cooler than Opens, anyway.

blasphemy