New Meta-game policy

[Thestatusquo]

Lynch anyone who says "For now" at the end of their votes. I HATE IT YOU INDECISIVE BASTARDS!

[Thestatusquo]

You're just mad at me for the whole "Glorksicle" incident.

[Thestatusquo]

I feel that in a game of mafia, it's sort of implied that everything is "for now."

[Thestatusquo]

Lets hope there's a doctor, for now.

[Thestatusquo]

That's the whole point of meta lynches, is to get rid of an otherwise valid strategy.

Lurking is a strategy, but lurker hunts happen frequently.

[Thestatusquo]

Lying is a perfectly valid pro town strategy. The only reason that it is anti-town is BECAUSE people get lynched for doing it.

[Thestatusquo]

But you see, that's my point. Meta-lynches all boil down to each individuals opinion of what is or is not a valid strategy for town to take. Lying is valid in my opinion, and in yours, not in others. Lurking is valid in my opinion, not in yours. Making cases is valid in 99.9% of mafia players minds, but not in chambers. The meta simply reflects what the majority of players view as a valid strategy, not what actually IS one.

In my opinion, town should be decisive, and not holding themselves back adding "for now." to the end of every vote you make is not only annoying, but scummy as well.

[Thestatusquo]

That's the point. We disagree on whether it's a valid strategy or not. My opinion is that an indecisive town helps scum, therefore it should be meta discouraged. This is why I HATE pies lynch idea.

[Thestatusquo]

Not really. Committing to a decision and then refusing to ever change is. Being wishy washy at first is always worse than being strong at first.

[Thestatusquo]

I disagree with what you say, sir, and I will fight to the death to have you removed from the site for saying it!

(I'll just call Dodgy...)

[Thestatusquo]

Nope, I'm accusing everyone of annoying the shit out of me.

[Thestatusquo]

Let me put it this way:

There is no such thing as a universal scum tell.

There are two ways around this which are both different ways to meta game.

1) Try to force the meta so that there ARE universal scum tells. That is, force pro town players to not do things because they would be lynched if they did do them, even if they are pro town. This is where things like Lynch all liars, and lynch all lurkers come from. people are trying to proactivly effect what the meta is. I personally think this is a bad way to go, because it restricts certain things which are a very valid pro town strategy. This thread is proving that point by creating a ridiculous example.

2) Try to read players, by going over their past games/mafia history. This is the outside information the previous poster was referring to. It's judging a player based on thier own propensities, and not on some "rigid" group of tells. I like this method much more.

[Thestatusquo]

There's no reason for town to lie? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH


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Wait. You seriously probably don't know who I am...And how funny said comment is to me.

[Thestatusquo]

I disagree with the first point. In my opinion, a tell is something which one is more likely to do as mafia, then town. If I make the response: "THis is not a scum tell for me, I do it equally as town and scum." and then provide links to games where I have done it as town, I do not see how that can be seen as anything but a valid defense.

Second, my experience has shown me otherwise. Lying as town only has a negative effect on a game if and ONLY if LAL is being strictly enforced. Therefore, it's a self creating problem, and not valid. In my opinion, a lie should be viewed as any in game action should be. "How does this lie benefit X player as town? How does this lie benefit X player as scum?" If one of those is significantly higher than the other, then it's a tell for that side. If they are about even. High, or non-existant, most likely. Then it only functions as a nul tell.

Furthermore, scum do not have to lie. I have played an entire game as scum with out lying. You vote who you think is scummy, you provide reasoning, you claim a name or an action if you must. When mass claim time comes, you try to go last and claim something which is within your mafia powers RB, or Vig. It's pretty good play.

[Thestatusquo]

And I thought you were contributing to the thread. Oh...Actually I just lied, you'd better lynch me.