Self-Voting: Why, barring setup, you should never do it

[Marquis]

Also if you're the last scum on your team in a multiball game where it turns out that the other scum team has one more member than you do, you probably shouldn't self hammer so I draw the incorrect conclusion that you couldn't possibly be the last member of your team.

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[Marquis]

I would advocate for my lynch as town if I thought enough people were tunneling/confbiasing their scumreads on me enough that the game's dragging
it's a common occurrence but I've only taken to self-voting relatively recently because I've realized that when I'm frustrated I can either get lynched quick and lurk the dead topic or get townreads, survive and things get easier

[Marquis]

that was never the intention
the intention was/is to get my lynch over with because if I'm selfvoting, I've either broken enough or I'm being scumread enough that if I'm allowed to survive any longer it'll keep town inordinately focused on me as scum (when you're town and everyone starts making associative scum reads based off of you, it's time to go)- and the sooner I flip, the sooner people see my reads and gamestate analysis are from a town perspective
getting townreads off of it is kinda bittersweet because on one hand it's always a pleasant yet sad response to someone giving in, also I usually just want to get final reads out and leave at that point
also I never really think about replacing out that often because I usually feel like I owe it to the mod to stay after I personally requested to join

[Marquis]

I feel like you're ignoring the common problem of excess amounts of pages dragging on and players growing more apathetic as what looks like a guaranteed lynch is dragging along
I want to move the game forward
If the game, specifically my townreads, are going to be hung up on the topic of me being scum for long enough and intensely enough that it both detracts from all other conversation and reaches the point that my lynch is inevitable/people are starting to not listen at all to my defense and confbiasing, self voting as a sign of giving in and to help achieve my lynch more quickly is something I am fine with doing

[Marquis]

Ironically though giving up and self voting for some reason can get people to townread you and make the lynch take even longer so I see your point

[Marquis]

To be a bit blunt, Thor, have fun with that, but you're not everyone.
I've been in situations where town would have benefited much more had a guaranteed lynchee just given up and accepted the lynch.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466
You can say allowing others to jump on the wagon provides opportunities for wider analysis.
I say that's a pretty idealistic view of typical town post-Day 1 analysis.
And on the topic of selfvoting again, I can't think of a scenario where selfvoting made it harder to read someone.
Sure, I've become frustrated when a scumread selfvoted.
But when that happens I try to reevaluate the selfvote and situation, since so much of how I read people depends on apparent genuineness.
I agree that selfvoting is often bad, but I think your viewpoint on it is much too absolute.

[Marquis]

I don't think scum getting townread off of a selfvote is as common as you're making it seem.

[Marquis]

"If you're really fine with being lynched, why not help us by selfvoting?"
I swear I've heard that before somewhere.

[Marquis]

there's still a point in that it's often easy to tell the difference between a fake and real selfvote, especially with context :/

[Marquis]

well that's different

[Marquis]

what
in game or not

because as far as this thread goes i'm a neutral party who believes that generally lynches shouldn't be pushed in order to make a point