Alt accounts

Egg · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:14 pm

Yeah the issue I was talking about was a former List Mod...

Edit: I feel like at the very least, when the List Mod signs up, before Role PMs go out, they should inform the alt that they know who they are.

zoraster · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:26 pm

Honestly I would assume all list moss know who you are before checking unless you're a brand new alt.

Egg · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:43 pm

I mean.. I know that now. Not everyone does though.

Astinus · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:30 am

So let me get this straight: a main account and their alt CANNOT play in the same game together, right? As that would be one person taking up two spots in a particular game?

(I haven't done this, but the thought crossed my mind and I was pretty sure it's against the rules. However, I wanted to confirm for sure.)

Zachrulez · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:10 am

In post 74, zoraster wrote:Game mods cannot do so unless they had that information revealed to them by the player. Listmods can (as well as Discussion Mods). They shouldn't be doing that to specifically gain an advantage in the game and should replace out if they did do that, but checking people's alts is something that is absolutely necessary to performing the duties of those jobs. I know lots of people's alt account identities just from the course of my job as an admin and my past one as a listmod. It's possible in the future I'll end up in a game with an unknown alt. That's potentially unfair, but in an environment with secret alts, that's how it has to be.

Consider that some people know the identities to secret alts while others don't. Let's say in scum chat the secret alt mentions it off-hand. In a future game, the secret alt is in it with the person who knows the secret alt's identity. Should that person be forced to leave the game? Should he or she reveal the information to everyone? It's certainly not a level playing field.

It's kind of a dicey issue because it is a necessary power to be able to check this kind of thing. I think anyone playing on the admin side should be outright banned from using metagaming arguments that connect a main to an alt if the only reason they know is because they have the administrative power too. If the alt slipped, then it's fair game.

That seems like the closest thing to fair to me?

In post 78, Astinus wrote:So let me get this straight: a main account and their alt CANNOT play in the same game together, right? As that would be one person taking up two spots in a particular game?

(I haven't done this, but the thought crossed my mind and I was pretty sure it's against the rules. However, I wanted to confirm for sure.)

Absolutely not. Having two accounts in the same game is blatantly cheating.

Egg · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:12 am

In post 78, Astinus wrote:So let me get this straight: a main account and their alt CANNOT play in the same game together, right? As that would be one person taking up two spots in a particular game?

(I haven't done this, but the thought crossed my mind and I was pretty sure it's against the rules. However, I wanted to confirm for sure.)

One of the most illegal things you can do in mafia.

Astinus · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:18 am

Okay. I will never do that. Thanks for te help!

kuribo · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:19 am

In post 79, Zachrulez wrote:Absolutely not. Having two accounts in the same game is blatantly cheating.

Wasn't there someone recently that got permbanned for that?

Kublai Khan · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:31 am

The thing you're supposed to do is to register 12 alts and all sign up for a mini.

Astinus · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:41 am

*permabans you for advising such a thing*

kuribo · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:59 am

In post 83, Kublai Khan wrote:The thing you're supposed to do is to register 12 alts and all sign up for a mini.

do that and be perplexed when you somehow make it to lylo

edit:

read none of the PMs, wagon people during the day, then submit your action to the mod as "I wish to use my ability on X"

Aeronaut · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:02 am

The thing you're supposed to do is to register 21 alts and all sign up for a Large.

ISO · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:11 am

A large modded by an alt of yourself^

ISO · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:11 am

Cheatception?

SleepyKrew · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:37 am

THAT'S NOT WHAT INCEPTION MEANS DAMMIT

ISO · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:41 am

Inception is the birth of an idea I know however common spoken language mistakenly uses it as a thing in a thing. This is because of the film inception with the dream in a dream.
People will know what I mean and language evolves so I'm just doing my part in developing English culture.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:45 am

Yeah but most of the people that use inception to mean thing within a thing do it because they're too dumb to actually follow the movie. English is already dumb enough. Please don't make it dumber.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:46 am

dumbception

mastin2 · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:46 pm

In post 72, saulres wrote:This right here is terrible. Way to take advantage of a mechanic not available to other, single players. Yet another reason to despise hydras. I'm disappointed in you, mastina.

Pretty sure this is a joke, since it'd be ignorance otherwise.

In post 70, pieguyn wrote:I have one secret alt, which is still standing (save for I think 3 people who know it).

I

might

know who it is, but as a fellow lover of alts, I'd never dare speak a word. (Also because I'd look foolish if I was wrong.

)

saulres · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:47 pm

I plead ignorance!

Elbirn · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:33 am

In post 89, SleepyKrew wrote:THAT'S NOT WHAT INCEPTION MEANS DAMMIT

In post 90, wgeurts wrote:Inception is the birth of an idea I know however common spoken language mistakenly uses it as a thing in a thing. This is because of the film inception with the dream in a dream.
People will know what I mean and language evolves so I'm just doing my part in developing English culture.

In post 91, SleepyKrew wrote:Yeah but most of the people that use inception to mean thing within a thing do it because they're too dumb to actually follow the movie. English is already dumb enough. Please don't make it dumber.

I think the issue here is that effective communication requires ease of understanding for both parties; relying on a pop culture reference for something that doesn't have a word already makes sense. Is it not "Inception" as defined in the movie? No. Does it really matter as long as both parties grok your meaning? *shrugs*

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So on topic, I don't think I'm a fan of alts. It seems to me that it gives town negative utility by making yourself more difficult to "read" since no one will have experience with you. It's good if you roll scum I guess, but that's about the only good I can think of to make an alt. And I don't want to make another account for the 20% chance of me rolling scum.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:35 pm

In post 95, Elbirn wrote:It seems to me that it gives town negative utility by making yourself more difficult to "read" since no one will have experience with you.

If you are making an alt to somehow handicap yourself in order to gain an advantage then you are technically breaking "playing to your win condition" site rules. Its like the people who claim to intentionally play somewhat scummy as town to make it easier to win when they are scum.

Astinus · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:17 pm

I tend to try to play as town whether I'm scum or town. I figure that if I'm actually scum, then I won't look so suspicious if I use the same playing style all the time. However, I was in a game on another site where I was a third party who would win if I was lynched. If that happened to me here, ten I would try to act as scummy as I could so people would lynch me.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:39 pm

I've modded a game where someone signed up as his main and his alt.

PokerFace · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:04 am

If you fake being a hydra when you are not, I don't like you

Its ok to ask someone who they are alt of, but they don't have to tell you. If you abuse your mod powers to look up who an alt belongs to, I don't like you and will never play in a game you mod or let you play a game I mod

You should replace out if you learn who an alt is accidentally, or when everyone else does not know who they are in the game. Unfair advantage is unfair