No Flip Games

[ploben]

Are there any games run on mafiascum.net where the mechanics are in place that in the event of a player's death the role is not revealed?

[Muffin]

I'm sure you could run one as a Theme game.

It doesn't sound too much fun though, tbh. Flips are exciting, and give you feedback about how you're doing.

I wouldn't want to devote potentially 3 months to a game and then lose randomly because it was impossibly to know we were in mylo.

[ploben]

True. It was weird starting off doing live mafia where the deaths were not revealing at you had to figure the game out and then coming to MS where all the deaths reveal the roles.

[Otolia]

There is one open game called Donner Party that has some kind of no-flip mechanic for the NKs.

[ploben]

I'll look it up in the wiki. Thanks.

[ploben]

Is it normal for live games to no flip/no reveals lynches and kills and forum games to do the opposite?

[Ether]

Well, 'Scummers who play face to face still use flips. We're all converts here.

I think most of the face to face mafia I played before joining Mafiascum didn't do role reveals. But I've got to stand by Muffin--it made everything going on seem kind of random.

[BBmolla]

Is it normal for live games to no flip/no reveals lynches and kills and forum games to do the opposite?

No we do full flips in face to face.

If you and your friends play No Flip it's fine, but honestly it's a bit like playing Chess without seeing your opponent's pieces imo.

[Majiffy]

It is standard to have a role such as a mortician in the event of a no-reveal game

Other used possibilities include; partial reveal, either showing alignment but not role, or showing role but not alignment (less popular ime), or delayed flips - the latter being an awful idea that went over very poorly with the players in a recent game. It just turns into everyone waiting around until the flips are revealed, resulting in a wasted period of each dayphase.

[Whatisswag]

No flip games make every day feel like Day 1

[ploben]

Alright. Thanks for all the responses.

[quadz08]

I played with an IRL group once that flipped on lynches, but not on nightkills.

Was interesting, but felt like a totally different game (and threw my sense of game balance off entirely, of course)

[Untrod Tripod]

it's not really mafia without flips

I tried a no-alignment-flip game once and it was a fucking disaster

[theelkspeaks]

It is standard to have a role such as a mortician in the event of a no-reveal game

Other used possibilities include; partial reveal, either showing alignment but not role, or showing role but not alignment (less popular ime), or delayed flips - the latter being an awful idea that went over very poorly with the players in a recent game. It just turns into everyone waiting around until the flips are revealed, resulting in a wasted period of each dayphase.

What if the delay was by a full day? (i.e. the lynch target of day 1 flipped at twilight of day 2, and so on)

[Equinox]

What if the delay was by a full day? (i.e. the lynch target of day 1 flipped at twilight of day 2, and so on)

This was a thing that happened 4 years ago.

[Majiffy]

It is standard to have a role such as a mortician in the event of a no-reveal game

Other used possibilities include; partial reveal, either showing alignment but not role, or showing role but not alignment (less popular ime), or delayed flips - the latter being an awful idea that went over very poorly with the players in a recent game. It just turns into everyone waiting around until the flips are revealed, resulting in a wasted period of each dayphase.

What if the delay was by a full day? (i.e. the lynch target of day 1 flipped at twilight of day 2, and so on)

Probably less of a pain but I still feel like the players would get frustrated.

Certain mechanics are standard because their alternatives just aren't as good.

[Majiffy]

And there it is, top post of the last page.

[tn5421]

How do people feel about alignment-only flips?

[Nero Cain]

I played in a game, on this site, where it was no flip but we had us a grave digger.

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

I'm 2 weeks late to this thread, but since it got bumped anyway...

What if the delay was by a full day? (i.e. the lynch target of day 1 flipped at twilight of day 2, and so on)

This was a thing that happened 4 years ago.

As one of the scum in that game, the mechanic was very interesting to watch play out

from the scum side

. It added a metamafia component to the game that gave scum an extra degree of freedom to mess around with and that town had to work around. Town really didn't like it and you really can't blame them. Taking the mechanic to the extreme and making the game no-reveal makes it just that much more frustrating for town and I can't imagine very many town players enjoying it.

[callforjudgement]

If you and your friends play No Flip it's fine, but honestly it's a bit like playing Chess without seeing your opponent's pieces imo.

If you at all like chess and have never played Kriegspiel, you should some day. It's pretty crazy interesting.

On the actual topic, no flip games are run sometimes, but it's a mechanic that tends to be unsatisfying to players. The most common variants I see are: a one-shot Janitor (on Mafiascum); and no flip on nightkill, full flip on lynch (offsite). Both these methods at least have the advantage that they don't interfere with hunting connections from flipped scum (because it's almost always a bad idea for scum to nightkill their buddies, and even in the case of vigilantes, you can usually figure out which faction made a kill by seeing who it was on). Multiball screws this up, but I wouldn't recommend no kill + multiball.

I can imagine alignment-only flips working in a role-heavy game, but it'd have to be balanced differently from normal. (Actually, some Theme games are like this already: players flip with their role names, but the roles are so crazy you can't figure out what they do from the names.)

[Porochaz]

They are very few and far between, and usually have some sort of reveal aspect to them. Some (Glorks weather Mafia) has a mechanic that allowed no reveal for a night. There was an Adel game, which had it, I think... but that was because players could be resurrected and potentially change alignments. (it was also a clusterfuck of a game, enjoyable, but a clusterfuck all the same) It depends you usually have to make up for it somehow.

[CB]

It makes fake claiming a lot of fun.

[TriforceP]

I co-modded one a few months ago on another site. It was... interesting. It was a theme game though, so people could take guesses at alignment. Didn't always turn up to be right though.

[Ankamius]

I played a no-flip game as scum on another site and I hated it. We nightkilled two of town's 3 PRs with our first two nightkills and still had to play like we hadn't because we never knew until the massclaim only had the third.