Harsher Penalties for Replacing Out Of Large Games

[Psyche]

ok
so people are still disagreeing that there's a problem at all

[Untrod Tripod]

personally i am always very grateful for the pple who opt to replace out rather than continue to subject me to their lurking, active lurking, not giving a damn, trolling, death tunneling, being terribad at mafia, cheating, whining about how long the game is, whining about page count, whining about other players especially when it has been pointed out

ad naseum

(psst it doesn't make you look kewl), and all of the horrors that other players can inflict on other players in a game.

it wld make me sad if these pple who are showing what is probably the first good sense that they have experienced all game are punished. what happened to positive reinforcement.

don't shame me

[xRECKONERx]

replacements aren't a problem unless you think people have no excuse for replacing out of games under any circumstance?

Like...if GreyICE replaces into a game that I'm in I will replace out bc id rather spare everyone the drama. PENALIZE PENALIZE PENALIZE

[Psyche]

yeah but what if you're the sort of person who will do that for half of the people who regularly play mafia

[Davsto]

yeah but what if you're the sort of person who will do that for half of the people who regularly play mafia

People: "this isn't a thing that should be punished unless people do it a lot"
Psyche: "but what if they do it a lot?"

Basically what I see in this response in context of the thread.

[Cerberus v666]

replacements aren't a problem unless you think people have no excuse for replacing out of games under any circumstance?

Like...if GreyICE replaces into a game that I'm in I will replace out bc id rather spare everyone the drama. PENALIZE PENALIZE PENALIZE

Well, yes, because you should both just learn how to get along, in my opinion.

I like the idea someone had of mandating that people replace in to other games to make up for the games they've replaced out of. Obviously there are details to work out, but it's at least productive.

[ika]

replacements aren't a problem unless you think people have no excuse for replacing out of games under any circumstance?

Like...if GreyICE replaces into a game that I'm in I will replace out bc id rather spare everyone the drama. PENALIZE PENALIZE PENALIZE

Well, yes, because you should both just learn how to get along, in my opinion.

I like the idea someone had of mandating that people replace in to other games to make up for the games they've replaced out of. Obviously there are details to work out, but it's at least productive.

YOu ahvent played with grayice before.... (personally i dont midn grey as mcuh but i know how he is)

There are some eople who have a playstyle that just wont get along with ohters

[Untrod Tripod]

replacements aren't a problem unless you think people have no excuse for replacing out of games under any circumstance?

Like...if GreyICE replaces into a game that I'm in I will replace out bc id rather spare everyone the drama. PENALIZE PENALIZE PENALIZE

Well, yes, because you should both just learn how to get along, in my opinion.

I like the idea someone had of mandating that people replace in to other games to make up for the games they've replaced out of. Obviously there are details to work out, but it's at least productive.

loldongs

it's the internet, dude. that's not going to happen.

[Ythan]

I like the idea someone had of mandating that people replace in to other games to make up for the games they've replaced out of. Obviously there are details to work out, but it's at least productive.

????

actually a troll???

[xRECKONERx]

replacements aren't a problem unless you think people have no excuse for replacing out of games under any circumstance?

Like...if GreyICE replaces into a game that I'm in I will replace out bc id rather spare everyone the drama. PENALIZE PENALIZE PENALIZE

Well, yes, because you should both just learn how to get along, in my opinion.

I like the idea someone had of mandating that people replace in to other games to make up for the games they've replaced out of. Obviously there are details to work out, but it's at least productive.

first off: no
second off: fuck no
third off: some people just aren't going to get along. are you seriously trying to mother people on the internet by telling them to play nice? Most people here are fucking adults and know their own limits, trying to set them for them is bullshit
fourth off: that's so stupid. so fucking stupid. replacing into games requires a VERY specific mindset and player type to be able to handle that stress and commitment.

[Faraday]

hostile response

[Ythan]

What if we take all the players who are replacing out and just use

them

to fill all the holes back up.

[Cerberus v666]

*sigh*

This is the problem with me talking about this subject I suppose. I really, really don't understand what's so difficult about getting along with other people. The idea of another person having such an effect on my psyche that I just have to avoid them is completetely foreign to me.

About the replacement thing: yes, the things you all said are some of the practical problems with it. The idea, that is, to make it easier to fnx replacements going forward because the people who have previously replaced out will be available to help out, is a good one. It might not be practical though, for a number of reasons..

[Ythan]

If you can figure out a way to make everyone on the internet get along then you can solve bigger problems than keeping our games full.

[Psyche]

yeah but what if you're the sort of person who will do that for half of the people who regularly play mafia

People: "this isn't a thing that should be punished unless people do it a lot"
Psyche: "but what if they do it a lot?"

Basically what I see in this response in context of the thread.

lots of people arguing that replace-outs shouldn't be punished ever at all period

[Davsto]

They shouldn't be punished by the system, but mod individually have the power to go "you've replaced out a lot so I'm not gonna let you join". I've literally seen this. Having a proper system for punishing people who replace will result in an extreme unfairness which people will get very annoyed by.

[Psyche]

a "proper system" for punishing people who replace out is just as decentralized and moderator-focused as you say
like BAM but without the draconian terribleness

[Ythan]

Wow I had forgotten BAM.

[Zachrulez]

ok
so people are still disagreeing that there's a problem at all

Replacement rates that hit 33-50% are a problem.

I mean if you want a system that isn't too far sweeping and lacking of lee way, you can set a percentage of games that players are expected to complete. (Say 90-95% or whatever the site thinks is reasonable.) Then players who replace out that get their completion number below that point get slapped with new game restrictions or outright bans for repeated non completion of games. Games you replace into and complete would work in favor of that percentage which would also add incentive to replace into games as well.

That way you don't get hurt for having a legitimate reason for replacing out when you're an otherwise reliable player.

I don't think it's unfair to say that players should be expected to be at least relatively reliable at starting and finishing games.

might i redirect this entire argument to this thread where any argument you could make has probably been had

That link was already posted and people went "Better start it in new thread than necroing a months old thread".

With that said, you can't really punish people for replacing out and if you put the condition for punishing replacing out for certain situation loopholes will be made.

We do restrict the # of games if one replaces out too frequently, and mods can blacklist them too if a player tends to replace out too much.

I can blacklist a player, but alts... I can stop zachrulez from playing a game, but I don't necessarily know that flaming viking is zachrulez.

[Davsto]

I'm like decently sure that alts have to confirm their identity to the mod of a game they join..?

[kuribo]

I really, really don't understand what's so difficult about getting along with other people.

Some of the people on this site are insufferable sons of bitches who make you want to tear your own teeth out of your very face just to throw them at the person.

It's a GAME, not a prison sentence.

[kuribo]

fourth off: that's so stupid. so fucking stupid. replacing into games requires a VERY specific mindset and player type to be able to handle that stress and commitment.

fifth off, good luck getting a serial site-flake to replace into another game


lol what the fuck was that

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't plan to punish replacements other than the strategic replace outs.

[vezokpiraka]

Why does this thread pop out every year?

It all ends and nothing is done about replacing.

Use either BAM or find a replacement.

[chamber]

fourth off: that's so stupid. so fucking stupid. replacing into games requires a VERY specific mindset and player type to be able to handle that stress and commitment.

fifth off, good luck getting a serial site-flake to replace into another game


lol what the fuck was that

Those people should be punished in other ways. Encouraging people that replace out for conflict based reasons to replace into games to make up for it is reasonable, and is something I do myself.