Acting your town meta when scum

[Jaqen Hghar]

And I'm always know it all town so they mislynch me enough times and bam they don't and I'm scum

[T S O]

I always find it odd that people think they have to "act" when they're scum. The word implies that playing scum requires you to create and hold this unnatural facade. Of course you're going to get caught if you do that.

The majority of time as scum you should play just as you would as town. You'll obviously make specific plays that you wouldn't as town, but for the most part, your scum game shouldn't be markedly different from your town game. There aren't any legitimate reasons why you can't do something like this, unless you're a godly town player, in which case you're basically going to have to play out of your skin.

Occasionally, I push a town player as scum and become so involved in the push that I actually have to check myself and remember that I already know he's town. This isn't bad scumplay, it's just being able to detach from reality when it suits you. If you're constantly trying to scheme against the town, you'll simply come off as forced and unnatural.

[talah]

It's the detaching from reality that I found difficult the one time I actually (technically) played as scum.
I find it extremely difficult to hold fast to a mindset of having a role which is inherently determined to frustrate players I know to be town.

Therefore I have to attempt to emulate my own meta, which doesn't work very well (and is, also, a LOT of work to think through and end up having the confidence to hit 'submit' on).

[PokerFace]

If you are town, try finding scum

If you are scum, try finding scum in other groups

Odds are you are in the only scum group, but when you are not and you lynch someone in the other group, its not a bad thing

[Rob14]

meta is trash

Nope.

[Accountant]

meta is trash

Nope.

Meta is a crutch.

[SilverWolf]

I can sometimes play townie as scum but most times my town meta is tough to emulate as scum and that's rather unfortunate. Although, I have been actively working to change this and hopefully that will be successful.

[SilverWolf]

Meta works best for me when I am using it on someone I've played with personally. Then it can be extremely useful. Otherwise, I usually find I don't get much out of it.

[Persivul]

I really worry about folks who play a lot and end up intentionally acting to their scum meta (or intentionally blurring their towngame), as town, to increase their scum winrates or to make it harder to detect them as scum.

Honestly there have been a few games where I expected town I was facing to act as town as fuck -if they were town- but they instead acted (I discovered later) to a more androgynous (phrasing?) meta where it would be extremely difficult to read them either way.

Agreed. By watering down your town game (i.e. not doing much real scum hunting), it's easier to play scum undetected -

but you're not scum hunting as town

. That's lazy and hurts your team when you're town, which is the majority of the time. The challenge is to learn how to appear to scum hunt convincingly as scum.

[Persivul]

What's it like for you?

When I'm scum I use the 95% rule. Suppose I'm reading the thread and think of something to say, but then think no, that could hurt me as scum. I ask myself if I would say it as town. If yes, I need to make 95% of those posts anyway.

[Persivul]

Agreed. By watering down your town game (i.e. not doing much real scum hunting), it's easier to play scum undetected -

but you're not scum hunting as town

. That's lazy and hurts your team when you're town, which is the majority of the time. The challenge is to learn how to appear to scum hunt convincingly as scum.

Question - is this an acceptable strategy, or is it unethical as it somewhat goes against town wincon in favor of scum games?

[Titus]

Agreed. By watering down your town game (i.e. not doing much real scum hunting), it's easier to play scum undetected -

but you're not scum hunting as town

. That's lazy and hurts your team when you're town, which is the majority of the time. The challenge is to learn how to appear to scum hunt convincingly as scum.

Question - is this an acceptable strategy, or is it unethical as it somewhat goes against town wincon in favor of scum games?

Unethical.

Tbh, people don't scumhunt but agree hunt most of the time anyway.

[Ankamius]

I'm still trying to figure out how to make cases as scum.

[Davsto]

Agreed. By watering down your town game (i.e. not doing much real scum hunting), it's easier to play scum undetected -

but you're not scum hunting as town

. That's lazy and hurts your team when you're town, which is the majority of the time. The challenge is to learn how to appear to scum hunt convincingly as scum.

Question - is this an acceptable strategy, or is it unethical as it somewhat goes against town wincon in favor of scum games?

You can do it, but I wouldn't recommend it. For a start, sacrificing townplay to improve scumplay is a bad idea when you're more likely to draw town than scum.

[Persivul]

Tbh, people don't scumhunt but agree hunt most of the time anyway.

Agree hunt?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm still trying to figure out how to make cases as scum.

Just be like me and not make cases as either alignment!

[Faraday]

Agreed. By watering down your town game (i.e. not doing much real scum hunting), it's easier to play scum undetected -

but you're not scum hunting as town

. That's lazy and hurts your team when you're town, which is the majority of the time. The challenge is to learn how to appear to scum hunt convincingly as scum.

Question - is this an acceptable strategy, or is it unethical as it somewhat goes against town wincon in favor of scum games?

'play to win' is a rule for a reason. Not only is it fucking stupid, it's definitely not allowed.

[Persivul]

Just be like me and not make cases as either alignment!

It's play like this that is killing a lot of games.

[Davsto]

Just be like me and not make cases as either alignment!

It's play like this that is killing a lot of games.

[Ankamius]

There are many people that are harder to play with than GIF.

[Faraday]

Just be like me and not make cases as either alignment!

It's play like this that is killing a lot of games.

Yeah everyone should play the same

[GuyInFreezer]

Man y'all make it sound like I deliberately play anti-town

[Papa Zito]

meta is trash

[Ankamius]

Meta isn't trash, but most people can't use it effectively.

[Ythan]

Most people can't use trash effectively, but some can.