Naming scum with no kill

[callforjudgement]

In Nightless setups (something which I guess I kind-of specialise in…), scum don't have a nightkill. The most vanilla such scum is typically called "Mafia Goon".

I see some problems with this, though. Goons normally have a nightkill, and both humans and software tend to assume this. (For example, the automatic role PM generation thing we have on the wiki will talk about the nightkill in a Mafia Goon's role PM.) It also means that you need to place a note saying "nightless" in order to understand how the roles work, which makes setup descriptions a little messier. Especially for Open setups, being able to give a list of roles as a one-liner would be helpful so that it can easily be dropped into the Open queue, lists of setups, etc. without taking up a lot of space.

As such, I'd like it if there would be some standardised name that's used for a player with the following properties:

• Wins with a specific Mafia team (
  or possibly Werewolves if we're using that flavor, but that tends to change role names
  )
  
• Full factional membership knowledge (i.e. they know the other Mafia are on their team, and vice versa)
  
• Daytalk with the other Mafia (
  because the role is typically intended for use in a Nightless, thus daytalk should be the default
  )
  
• No access to the factional nightkill (and no factional nightkill full stop unless there are other Mafia roles involved)

This would make it possible to place the role in setup descriptions, role PMs, etc.. (Also, if there were no roles with night actions in the setup, this would make it clear that a Nightless was involved simply from the list of roles in the setup, so you wouldn't need a separate "nightless" disclaimer.)

I thought I'd ask about it here in MD, because a) I don't have any particularly good naming ideas, and b) I don't want to go around editing all the Nightless setups on the wiki until people have confirmed that that's a good idea. So, a) any ideas for such a name, and b) should this be something that I try to force into the sitewide meta or just something that happens within my own games?

[Raskolnikov]

Syndicate? Daymafia?
idk but it'll be interesting to see what people come up with!

[zMuffinMan]

you could come up with whatever name you like but i think most people are still going to think of it as "goon without a kill" so i don't really know if there's a point to it (in the same way you could name, say, flavour cop something else because it's not

really

a "cop" but people would still think "flavour cop" when they see it)

but fuck it... my suggestion is "goo"; kill the n in order to mock them for their lack of n kill.

[chilledtea]

Nightless setups don't make any sense because the town has to no lynch every day to survive, and the mod has to specifically force them to not no lynch. If there could be a legitimate reason given for why the town must lynch, maybe a name could be crafted for the nightless goon.
In a way, the town is the bad guy in the nightless setup.

[Raskolnikov]

#NotAllScum

[Zachrulez]

I mean unless it's not common knowledge that the game is nightless (oh god) there's nothing wrong with calling if a mafia goon. If the players already openly know the setup is nightless, then they inherently know that scum doesn't have a nightkill.

[kuribo]

Night less never made sense to me on a reality basis


Why would town bother lynching Mafia that isn't killing them and thus is no threat

Anyway if you don't want to call them goons flavor wise, call them Mafia Associates. That's someone who isn't a made man but is affiliated with the Family. They have no real authority or power. (I.e. To kill at night)

[Persivul]

I'd say the obvious name for a daytime mafioso would be Dago, or spell it Daygo if you prefer.

[callforjudgement]

Why would town bother lynching Mafia that isn't killing them and thus is no threat

It rather depends on the flavour behind lynches. Political manoeuvring, for example.

[kuribo]

I'd say the obvious name for a daytime mafioso would be Dago, or spell it Daygo if you prefer.

Casual racism is hilarious AMIRITE

[Untrod Tripod]

I'd say the obvious name for a daytime mafioso would be Dago, or spell it Daygo if you prefer.

Casual racism is hilarious AMIRITE

I prefer black tie racism, like poll taxes and vote ID requirements

[callforjudgement]

Some ideas I've had:

Mafia Sleeper Agent (inspired by "Daygoon"; downsides are that it's a bit long and it might be too bad a pun, the idea being that they sleep overnight thus can't make the kill)
Mafia Pacifist

[mastin2]

Isn't it just called "gunless mafia"?

This was a thing ages ago. It already has a name.

[callforjudgement]

Oh good, if there's an existing name it works even better.

[PokerFace]

I have also heard mafia goon that can not kill be called a Mafia Eunich in the past. Which I feel is a very good name since killing feels like a more necessary scum power than night talk