How much have things shifted?

[SpyreX]

I was looking at the queues and both theme queues in need of mods??

Discussions about things like GF's being bastard modding? Or blacklisted?



What else I have missed in my long absence

[Equinox]

Welcome back, SpyreX!

Except for the Newbie queue, all of the queues have been dying for a long time.

Are you the one sent by the Lord of Light to make mafiascum.net great again?

[SpyreX]

Is it really that dead? I mean some of them I could see, but the theme queues being almost instant is shocking.

These damn kids with their pokemon go's and throwin' shade.

[Katsuki]

Godfathers died along with the queues unfortunately.

[Stormblade]

make mafiascum.net great again

cant stump wont stump

[Zulfy]

Discussions about things like GF's being bastard modding? Or blacklisted?

I think I made a thread about this

[Papa Zito]

spyrex halp us

[Randomnamechange]

Mimi Theme Queue is still going pretty well tbf

[GreyICE]

The players have gotten worse, the games have gotten less frequent, everything is bad.

Also welcome back!

[kuribo]

GF's being bastard modding

players are coddled these days


even mild disagreement or emotion can be considered abuse

cop sanities are considered "bastard," even if the player isn't told they're sane

players rely endlessly on meta and quickly "confirm" one another "as town," thus reducing the lynch options to POE

hydra use is rampant, resulting in less players queuing for a single slot, instead using two, three, even four players to take one slot instead of those players finding another game





it is the darkest timeline, my old friend

[callforjudgement]

To be more serious, my theory is that what happened is that many of the weirder/more experimental games moved from Mini Theme to Micro. This meant that more games total were being run due to the smaller playerlists, and thus that a greater supply of moderators was needed than before. Many of these experimental Micros had trouble filling (players generally seem reluctant to join a Micro without some sort of firm clue as to what it involves, perhaps due to being burnt in the past, and for a while there was a relatively small set of people who played in most Micros as a result). The consequence was that mod churn became even faster, especially in the Micro queue, and it actually ran out of moderators recently. (Meanwhile, if you place an Open or Normal in the Micro queue, or a popular Theme, it fills quite quickly, so there's player demand there.)

The decline of Large Themes is a little harder to explain, but it may be just that they take a lot of effort to run and moderators aren't willing to put in the effort for that. (From my point of view, I kind-of want to run a Large Theme sometime, but I've literally spent months working on it, am still not happy with where it is at the moment, and it's unlikely to be anything particularly special even if it does happen; this is arguably the amount of effort it takes even to run a mediocre, average Large Theme.)

I'm pretty familiar with the situation with Godfathers, though. What happened is that moderators became increasingly reluctant to put them in games (at least partly because Cop has been falling out of favour as a role for a while), with the result that when you did put a Godfather in a game, most of the time it did nothing and sometimes it won scum the game randomly (because it was generally correct play for town to dismiss the possibility). Godfather's a role that either has to be used frequently, or not at all, in order to function correctly, and site meta fell on the "not at all" side.

@kuribo: It's far from unheard of for a mod to tell someone that they're a Cop of unknown sanity, and list all the possible sanities and what their game effect would be. That's not considered bastard (although on the other hand it necessarily creates modWIFOM, and modWIFOM is a hard thing to balance around as it's hard to predict how the player will react). Actually, I'd argue that one of the main limitations on setup design nowadays is that players expect games to be at least relatively balanced, which means they have to be reviewed, which means that it's hard to use a role that's a pain to review correctly.

[Kmd4390]

We could use a BaM ruleset game or two around here...

[SpyreX]

GF's being bastard modding

players are coddled these days


even mild disagreement or emotion can be considered abuse

cop sanities are considered "bastard," even if the player isn't told they're sane

players rely endlessly on meta and quickly "confirm" one another "as town," thus reducing the lynch options to POE

hydra use is rampant, resulting in less players queuing for a single slot, instead using two, three, even four players to take one slot instead of those players finding another game





it is the darkest timeline, my old friend

Everything you say makes me hurt in the face behind my face doom style.

Hydras, meta and feeling shields? Jesus. The SDC falls away to hugglekisses?

We could use a BaM ruleset game or two around here...

I'm working on a remix of my Duel Mechanic. I can't decide on a flavor I love yet (although, oddly enough, I'm leaning towards POWERFUL WIZARDS). I'd love to do BaM mechanics again but I'm reaallly worried about availability. I need my parser which is broken as shit to work to clean up that administrative side of things or my old vote counter at least.

Maybe its time for some counter culture. Bring back the beasts

[Kmd4390]

I like what i'm hearing. It's like you're talking dirty to me, but better.

[Papa Zito]

You owe me a star control game sir.

[FakeGod]

the moment when you open up a Large Theme game, business as usual, and then

dead Jesus

SpyreX walks in and signs up for your game

[Majiffy]

Maybe its time for some counter culture. Bring back the beasts

I'm already back.

[McMenno]

aren't we all

[Zulfy]

I blame Zito

[SpyreX]

You owe me a star control game sir.

I still have all my notes.

That thing is an epic undertaking. I can't have any rust for an opus like that.

[Ircher]

Short queues are kinda nice tbh.

[Accountant]

Hydras and meta irritate me

I don't think player coddling is an issue

[Kublai Khan]

hydra use is rampant

This.

& WB SpyreX!

[zoraster]

Star Control 3 is better than 2. There, I said it.

[Magister Ludi]

It was that second site crash in the span of 6 months a couple years back that put a couple of nail into the coffin.