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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:44 am

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This is the second time I have voted spectacularly wrong in front of Ploti :oops:
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:48 am

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Jae, was this another game you replaced into hoping to roll scum? :laugh:

I kinda got that vibe
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess

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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:54 am

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In post 702, Plotinus wrote:
Official Vote Count 3.09
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The stargazer buries itself in the sand so its prey won't see it.



LynchingWith 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

:!:
Zyf
(L-1): XnadrojX, PantherPunt
PantherPunt
(L-2): kagesong,
Zyf

XnadrojX
(L-2): Zyf
JaeReed
(L-3): Zyf


Not Voting
(1): JaeReed,
kagesong, PantherPunt, Zyf


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Mechanical notes (presuming scum quick hammer if they can)

At least one of panther/kage is scum
At least one of xna/zyf is scum
If zyf is town then scum team is xna/panther exactly

Mechanically possible teams:
Zyf and panther or kage
Panther and xna
Nothing else is possible

Conclusion: lynch zyf unless you're VERY sure he's town, and even then always discuss it with kage first since you KNOW he's town. Voting xna there was sub optimal. If xna is scum then panther MUST also be scum, but reverse isn't true, so if you think xna is scum lunch panther first.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:56 am

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Nah I was on the replacement list because Bella was the IC xP I replaced in after she was gone though. I was following the game and DRK was just really townie, so I already figured I'd be replacing into a town slot when it opened up.

I actually thought about this game a lot. Ploti got two PMs early on when I was thinking things through. One of them I stated I wanted to actually be impressive after voting incorrectly in lylo in the last game Plot modded :facepalm: It is kind of impressive how I called Zyf obvscum then voted with him and let him lead me around because of something that I even acknowledged I'm weak to.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:56 am

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Also panther scum sweeps AGAIN. Getting to be a habit lol.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:58 am

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In post 752, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 702, Plotinus wrote:
Official Vote Count 3.09
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The stargazer buries itself in the sand so its prey won't see it.



LynchingWith 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

:!:
Zyf
(L-1): XnadrojX, PantherPunt
PantherPunt
(L-2): kagesong,
Zyf

XnadrojX
(L-2): Zyf
JaeReed
(L-3): Zyf


Not Voting
(1): JaeReed,
kagesong, PantherPunt, Zyf


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Mechanical notes (presuming scum quick hammer if they can)

At least one of panther/kage is scum
At least one of xna/zyf is scum
If zyf is town then scum team is xna/panther exactly

Mechanically possible teams:
Zyf and panther or kage
Panther and xna
Nothing else is possible

Conclusion: lynch zyf unless you're VERY sure he's town, and even then always discuss it with kage first since you KNOW he's town. Voting xna there was sub optimal. If xna is scum then panther MUST also be scum, but reverse isn't true, so if you think xna is scum lunch panther first.
Ahhh, so I was on the right track when I wanted to go Panther first, then derailed myself :/
Was the 1 on, 1 off thing ok for the KTS lynch or was it too fast to do a proper VCA on?
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:59 am

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It's likely but not certain. Wolves like to split votes generally but sometimes they bunch to avoid vca or to actively achieve something, like saving a wolf or the like.
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BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:00 am

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I've also seen games with zero wolves on a d1 mislynch wagon. Though that's unusual.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:08 am

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oh man that lylo gives me a stomache
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:09 am

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honestly this town's issue was lynching to two towniest slots before lylo... /shrug
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess

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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:09 am

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*the

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i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess

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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 754, mhsmith0 wrote:Also panther scum sweeps AGAIN. Getting to be a habit lol.
only 2 scum rands on site

This much less satisfying

I was actively letting the game be dead but wanted to be motivated enough to town it up and show off. Just wasn't.

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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:23 am

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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:24 am

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Didn't u just scum sweep with née on MU too though? That's three in a row by my count which is awesome. Of course one of those was the game which must not be spoken of :P
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:12 pm

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Thanks everyone for playing and thank you Plotinus for seeing this through!
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:18 pm

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In post 734, Zyf wrote:I'm soooo sorry jae, that felt like a cheap way to win....
Really? I think convincing an experienced player that you aren't scum in this kind of situation is definitely worth some credit.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:06 pm

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I KNEW Panther was scum. If I HAD voted to hammer it would have been Zyf. But that was just gut, I got scared. I'm so sorry town. Seppukus.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:10 pm

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In post 765, Irrational Agent wrote:
In post 734, Zyf wrote:I'm soooo sorry jae, that felt like a cheap way to win....
Really? I think convincing an experienced player that you aren't scum in this kind of situation is definitely worth some credit.
he meant the AtE specifically because its jaes one weakness
i use AtE too sometimes, it feels wrong when it works

also wtf zyf is it just me or do you roll scum so often :P
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:30 pm

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In post 767, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 765, Irrational Agent wrote:
In post 734, Zyf wrote:I'm soooo sorry jae, that felt like a cheap way to win....
Really? I think convincing an experienced player that you aren't scum in this kind of situation is definitely worth some credit.
he meant the AtE specifically because its jaes one weakness
i use AtE too sometimes, it feels wrong when it works

also wtf zyf is it just me or do you roll scum so often :P
I have shit luck man
I hate being scum but I'm scum so often

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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:31 pm

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In post 766, kagesong wrote:I KNEW Panther was scum. If I HAD voted to hammer it would have been Zyf. But that was just gut, I got scared. I'm so sorry town. Seppukus.
Nah I should have consulted with you over anyone else. mh was right there, I messed that up.
In post 767, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 765, Irrational Agent wrote:
In post 734, Zyf wrote:I'm soooo sorry jae, that felt like a cheap way to win....
Really? I think convincing an experienced player that you aren't scum in this kind of situation is definitely worth some credit.
he meant the AtE specifically because its jaes one weakness
i use AtE too sometimes, it feels wrong when it works

also wtf zyf is it just me or do you roll scum so often :P
What about me, Rask? -.- want to buy scum role PM.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:42 pm

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In post 769, JaeReed wrote:What about me, Rask? -.- want to buy scum role PM.
haven't seen you in a long while whereas I was looking at zyfs games when we last played together
lol though i had that too. not long after i joined, i had 4 scum games around the same time and got lynched day 1 in all them, almost quit mafia :lol:
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:46 pm

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In post 758, Raskolnikov wrote:oh man that lylo gives me a stomache
Why specifically?
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:46 pm

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i've rolled PR twice too lmao
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:03 pm

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Damn. I tried my best guys
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:51 pm

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Btw jae, if you're looking for examples of useful vca work, see

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7909237
Scum team huntress, Titus, shadow/garmr, town won fairly handily after the day 3 lynch on huntress opened up the game state

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7924607
Scum team RC, ranger, FA (i subbed in at MYLO and watched helplessly as town decided to mislynch, though the midnight hammer is itself worth reading just for the silliness of it).
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