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In post 53, Datisi wrote:(thus my post about reading the rules as dunnstral had already quoted the rules and the act of our doing so was a plot point in two games we have played together - gacha mafia and silent star lunacy)
In post 74, Bell wrote:
I was just about to vote STD for voting Datasi and then I remembered datisi writing a whole shpeel about effort town posting as scum. And then I remembered I can’t read Datisi for shit.
i mean, if you're townreading the parts of datisi's post about me specifically it is recycled content and not really alignment indicative at least not in a straightforward sense as a read of me and such
i was very excited when you joined because i know you said you wanted to play with me and that felt very nice of you and then i was failing at making that happen in a timely fashion but then you joined and +)
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Post #418 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:44 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 404, Bell wrote:
I’d be awol if I were scum unfortunately.
I got punched in the face yesterday by a 6 year old and I’m processing that. It’s the kind of thing I’d use as an excuse to avoid posting but also, I can’t really force myself to post. I have a hard time as scum.
It’s my general policy to talk to everybody and engage. I like solving even though I’m extremely shit at it. But it’s been busy, so not as much solving and I’d like.
In post 415, Save The Dragons wrote:
I can't describe it but it feels a little stilted like "I'm just gonna troll because I'm scum and I don't know what else to say"
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an example of this.
You're right Bell I don't think this is really a tell for finding mafia.
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Post #472 (isolation #21) » Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:08 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 450, meowmeow wrote:
i mean the reads aren't super duper strong but for std i think the superbowl read feels kind of good and i got a sorta similar vibe from him
dunn just overall feels relaxed sassy towards bell in a way i associate with town mostly shrug. to be fair this is less a read i developed just now and more a feeling I've maintained for a while
In post 452, Bell wrote:
Dunn is full of sass as either alignment.
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Post #861 (isolation #27) » Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:38 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 520, Aristeia wrote:
people need to actually post and interact with Bell so I can refine my read on him
like this doesnt work if ya'all don't post
In post 525, Aristeia wrote:
I already think you're mafia so it probably would not be productive
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You either think Bell is mafia or you want others to interact with them so you can refine your read on them.
ok so reads wise, here are my takes on the players in this game :]
This is an insightful post; town points.
While I agree this definitely seems like a townie post, it is just a detailed list of reads.
What exactly do you find insightful? Especially when this is like 400 posts ago, her reads may have changed dramatically for all you know.
I don't think that their reads changing after this point changes whether it was an insightful post.
I think there are some good points in here. They have some interesting thoughts on yekaterina, I didn't realize they posted similar to this as mafia. Calling Mala's posts social seems right to me.
In post 726, superbowl9 wrote:
So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking
An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this
One, literally had no idea you were voting me.
Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.
So ya, phony.
There aren’t many ways to interpret “off” as anything other than to to jump off of and jump onto someone else. Or in this case, switch votes.
In post 755, Bell wrote:
It was probably just a verbal slip after a poser contest. I lie and scum slip all the time as town.
Worth poking at him just to see what he does tho. You’re a bit too on top of things, but there are decent reasons to be so when the game just kind of dies when left alone.
It is perhaps too charitable to write this off as a verbal slip. If 728 is a lie Doctor Drew does have something to gain from it: not looking like they are OMGUSING superbowl9.
That and I don't think what Doctor Drew is pushing here is particularly strong. It does look opportunistic to me.
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Post #1032 (isolation #31) » Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:57 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 1030, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
I guess from skimming the last pages REALLY roughly it doesn't seem like Super Bowl really was trying to save themself by voting a more-viable counterwagon rather than datisi lol I guess I don't actually rly think this flips scum deep down
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Post #1035 (isolation #33) » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:00 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 1025, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
Bell I came around to being town after scumreading his content for a long time. I sorta believe all every time he has been LAMIST which has been like 20 times, all the "no way I could do this as scum" or like "im amazed u think that would come from scum me" (pending at some point in the game I should double check the meta behind this). also like really simplistically I think he is being pro-town in his way, there is like good poking around and clear constantly thinking about things
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Post #1227 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:19 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
I put forward the notion that The Bulge dying is significant info. Mafia would have been trying to eliminate a mason, and would have used The Bulge's posts to make a judgement call on them. They wouldn't have thought The Bulge could be a mason based on how The Bulge interacted with mafia.
In post 490, yekaterina wrote:
timing stuff is fine with regards to the 486 because i was just not incorporating time to write the pedit lol sorrysorry
still curious why bell would have been looking at that post in particular though
we coordinated this in our PT, hope u enjoyed the theatre
In post 670, The Bulge wrote:
ugh should i read this giant meow post now or catch up on the rest of the thread first
In post 614, Bell wrote:
Suddenly Bulge is my strongest scum read and we should absolutely kill him.
it was only a matter of time
In post 676, The Bulge wrote:
this game is so much easier when i can just tunnel my biggest sr but i have like 6 now and only 1 shovel
In post 678, The Bulge wrote:
i dont wanna flip shadi today but at least they're not mason
2 days til dl tho and not another wagon in sight
VOTE: meowmeow? yea?
In post 681, The Bulge wrote:
i haven't much cared for ari's contributions this game, the talking to a wall thing in particular.
drew might be scum as well, i usually have a good feeling about him but the feeling aint feeling this time around
These are perhaps relevant posts. Looks like mafia could have thought The Bulge was a mason with Bell and maybe Shadi, and not with meowmeow/superbowl, and maybe Aristeia/Doctor Drew
In post 1206, superbowl9 wrote:
VOTE: shadi1337 did a bit of homework and don't know why we came off this
who is we in this case? your vote was placed for 'motivation' and then you moved to doctor drew to 'fight' and then to datisi without much consideration for going back to shadi1337, at least not publically
Yes exactly
His wagon died out originally (at least for me) because the game stagnated and he was out of sight out of mind while we were pushing elsewhere.
Then he gets flashed at deadline instantly appears, unvotes??? (you yourself were confused), and then we just forget about him?? Like hes a lim candidate here and then gets mentioned once after that. At deadline compromise lims tend to win out and I don't believe anyone openly advocated against his lim so... why did we just not push him?
i was open to it and was trying to work through datisi stuff to maybe get there and there wasn’t enough support for the wagon, and you yourself weren’t supporting it and weren’t working towards just feels kinda ??? for you to be like ‘why did we forget at shadi1337’ when
we
didn’t
datisi was pushing for it meowmeow was pushing for it i was open to it aristeia was voting there
I mean I was asleep lmao
That's exactly what I'm talking about though like you three were on it and then it just poofed
because there wasn’t any other support so it dissolves into the other wagons because non-viable
like your wagon was viable, datisi wagon became viable, then your wagon unviable with bell locking in datisi and save the dragons switching from you to datisi, so datisi eliminated
from your perspective, none of the things that made datisi the elimination can really be hard scum indicative as could have landed on you if you’re town, and three of the players who preferred to eliminate shadi1337 preferred to eliminate you over datisi, so it’s like, who do you think was forgetting shadi1337 of the people there?
Okay facts: shadi was not limmed. Shadi is not townread (by anyone I'm pretty sure?). "We" as in the collective of the players in the game had a wagon on him, it fell apart, and then it came back for like 10 mins at deadline and died.
If you're saying sentiment was Datisti>superbowl>shadi okay fine I wasnt there at deadline but I didn't see "what about shadi" besides the brief interaction I mentioned (which pinged as not enough for someone who was/is widely scumread). So this is "What about shadi". Does that make sense?
Between 1127 and 1176 Aristeia and Datisi move their votes elsewhere off of Shadi. As of 1176 I would say that Shadi was not a viable option, given we had around 2 hours left in the day and they only had 1 vote on them.
In post 1227, Dunnstral wrote:
I put forward the notion that The Bulge dying is significant info. Mafia would have been trying to eliminate a mason, and would have used The Bulge's posts to make a judgement call on them. They wouldn't have thought The Bulge could be a mason based on how The Bulge interacted with mafia.
maybe? but personally i feel like they might just target people who are widely townread as masons, rather than specifically trying to find potential mason interactions
Who was expressing a townread on The Bulge yesterday?
Going off of your theory, those people are more likely to be town, as I doubt mafia kill someone only they are townreading.
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Post #1285 (isolation #42) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:54 am
Postby Dunnstral »
Shadi I am hesitant to push anybody for having a hard change in opinions. Do remember that there are masons and a conversation in a PT could lead to what you are describing.
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Post #1359 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:54 am
Postby Dunnstral »
I have not seen a convincing reason to vote for superbowl9 today. Indeed, Save the Dragons and sheepsaysmeep have both made 1 post this game day, that being a naked vote on superbowl9 with no other explanation. And Aristeia has repeatedly said they want to eliminate superbowl9 today but hasn't really given any
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Post #1364 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:27 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 1362, Save The Dragons wrote:
This is the second time dunnstral has defended superbowl by attacking the scumcase, not because dunnstral thinks superbowl is town
Can you link us to the alleged first time that I did this?
dunnstral wanted malakittens no support otherwise
malakittens wanted doctor drew no support otherwise
dunnstral now wants doctor drew waiting to see regarding support
malakittens now wants save the dragons using same language as dunnstral earlier waiting to see regarding support
what dunnstral thinks of malakittens and similarities between pushes and what that might mean to dunnstral regarding the game as a whole potential associatives et cetera
like from dunnstral's perspective dunnstral was not distancing malakittens but was malakittens distancing doctor drew? has dunnstral thought about things regarding
and would also like more information from in general i guess
I am considering their stance on Doctor Drew which is a bigger scumread for me. Distancing was not the first thing I thought of. I was also wondering if the townread on The Bulge at day start was 'fake' (as in they knew The Bulge was dead because they killed them) or real. I am undecided on Mala but it is worth consideration.
As for my vote on Doctor Drew, It was not based on what Mala was saying.
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Post #1427 (isolation #54) » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:52 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 1408, Bell wrote:
In general I tend to avoid touching on these topics and tend to think that those unaware of them are more likely to be scum because they don’t think about what might be good for town, what lines of inquiry are risky or could have bad outcomes.
I disagree; I think this usually comes from town as mafia are more careful about how they are perceived. And from experience, mafia very rarely try to fish for info in a way that is noticable.
In post 1426, Dunnstral wrote:
I am considering their stance on Doctor Drew which is a bigger scumread for me. Distancing was not the first thing I thought of. I was also wondering if the townread on The Bulge at day start was 'fake' (as in they knew The Bulge was dead because they killed them) or real. I am undecided on Mala but it is worth consideration.
As for my vote on Doctor Drew, It was not based on what Mala was saying.
guess it didn't feel like malakittens really believed in doctor drew push as it was just, 'hey vote doctor drew no further comment', so distancing seemed possible to me
and since you had expressed suspicious of both was wondering if you felt similarly
i tend to discount things like the bulge thing entirely these days because too hard to weigh and have seen both results numerous times
I think it is worth consideration, and I didn't notice how shallow their push on Doctor Drew was. At the time I didn't feel similarly, though.
In post 415, Save The Dragons wrote:
I can't describe it but it feels a little stilted like "I'm just gonna troll because I'm scum and I don't know what else to say"
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an example of this.
You're right Bell I don't think this is really a tell for finding mafia.