Open 881 | Friends and Enemies | Postgame

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Yo!

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like do you think dunnstral’s intention there was to encourage someone to vote for him?

like dunnstral had already made an rvs post re: the rules and bell obviously hasn’t posted and so forth

Wut
An interesting theory. Especially because I voted for Bell, who is bound to omgus vote me back.

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VOTE: The Bulge U stickin out more than the rest of us buddy

worth mentioning this made me laugh

Is it worth mentioning tho

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Can someone explain Yekaterina to me.

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*checks rules* no post limits. Hah.

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FYI: friend’s wedding today. Full day affair into hotel sleep into starting up work again after 2 months. Lots of house cleaning, reconnecting etc etc. I’ll probably still find time to brain paste all over these fields, but like, in case I can’t. Tentative V/LA.

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I was just about to vote STD for voting Datasi and then I remembered datisi writing a whole shpeel about effort town posting as scum. And then I remembered I can’t read Datisi for shit.

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Oh mafia, how I’ve missed you.

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Hi Aris, how are you this fine afternoon? Are you scum? Town?

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That’s lovely to hear. Thanks for answering.
I’m town, thanks for asking.
How’s the game shaping up in that head if yours?

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What

Are you saying that every post is not at least in a sense, effort

Are you saying you’re effortless

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Datisi is a filthy liar.

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Well maybe he has showered or bathed or wiped off recently. I amend my statement on the condition of whether he has or has not been filthy when posting that particular post.

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Don’t overthink it blocking is for babies. It’s a triangle.

It’s raining cats and dogs and sheep. Clearly we were meant to do this.

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I find someone explaining themselves is the best, but the hoi polloi disagree.

In short, in bold, how are you? Why are you?
Explain your mafia experience from page 1 to page infinitesimally close to infinity.

Why are you title but also townie, but also here outside of the newbies.

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There used to be a limit where you could’ve oh. You’re an alt.

The why has been answered.
Have you played with me before?
How would you describe your play style at different phases of the game as different alignments.

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Hi Dunn!

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Haha.

Hahahaha

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Do you think anything of how I rolled with it?

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Wedding now. *kisses floor of the game* I’ll be back.

Stupid weddings.

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BELL I miss u buddy <3
And u too i guess drew

Hi super! It’s nice to play with you again. I feel like we never really interact, but it’s always been a pleasure to be in games with you. Just a decent blend.

Man, my play style has only actually gotten more isolated as time goes on. Well maybe this game will be different than last game. Though I dunno why.

The wedding was great, but the wedding was a wedding and weddings is hard for people like me.

I do think something that starts with Y will be okay to read with time just based on what they’ve said. Rather readability is there. But I’m not sure what kind of read I’ll develop.

Right now they’re just kind of tripping my sense that they’re not suspicious of me, even though they cast aspersions of my obvtowness. But they did it in like, that polite way that’s just like, eh. They aren’t pressing x to doubt it the way I might expect, but people be different in how they doubt. I liked their Datisi thing, it sounded like something I’d write, but also, ironically, like something I’d write as either alignment because it’s, well, stereotypically thoughtfulish.

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BELL I miss u buddy <3
And u too i guess drew

Hi super! It’s nice to play with you again. I feel like we never really interact, but it’s always been a pleasure to be in games with you. Just a decent blend.

Man, my play style has only actually gotten more isolated as time goes on. Well maybe this game will be different than last game. Though I dunno why.

The wedding was great, but the wedding was a wedding and weddings is hard for people like me.

I do think something that starts with Y will be okay to read with time just based on what they’ve said. Rather readability is there. But I’m not sure what kind of read I’ll develop.

Right now they’re just kind of tripping my sense that they’re not suspicious of me, even though they cast aspersions of my obvtowness. But they did it in like, that polite way that’s just like, eh. They aren’t pressing x to doubt it the way I might expect, but people be different in how they doubt. I liked their Datisi thing, it sounded like something I’d write, but also, ironically, like something I’d write as either alignment because it’s, well, stereotypically thoughtfulish.

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Hell no I’m not married lmao. I’m not even dating.
I went to a friend’s wedding.

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Wait are you still drunk.
How long can a person be drunk
I should know this.

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something that starts with Y

...

I do think something that starts with Y will be okay to read with time just based on what they’ve said. Rather readability is there. But I’m not sure what kind of read I’ll develop.

Right now they’re just kind of tripping my sense that they’re not suspicious of me, even though they cast aspersions of my obvtowness. But they did it in like, that polite way that’s just like, eh. They aren’t pressing x to doubt it the way I might expect, but people be different in how they doubt. I liked their Datisi thing, it sounded like something I’d write, but also, ironically, like something I’d write as either alignment because it’s, well, stereotypically thoughtfulish.

anyway why would you expect me to be overly suspicious of you if i don't believe you to be obvtown? like do you believe you to be obvtown here? i don't really get it

funny to me that you're like 'oh katya is casting aspersions of my obvtowness but they're not openly suspicious' when you're also like, 'it wrote a thing that i liked but would write as either alignment'

like yeah, bingo, that's all of your posting thus far this game to me why would that make you obvtown

I expect you to be normally suspicious of me.
Using an ellipses to convey that you’re too polite to say something about mala if they think how you might think they think. while conveying you’re not polite enough to omit the ellipses so as to imply what you think about what they might think about. just comes off as if you’re bored or something.

I’m obviously obvious town. But it’s too early for me to say it yet. *checks watch*

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@shadi, I elaborated on it already. Mostly I got confused and thought they had a title because I didn’t think Katya was a pronoun, rather that it was a title from the players while it/she pronouns. It was incongruent with their post count so I wanted to find out what was up.

And then I did.
And it was done.
And that is all.

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I refuse to bus my scum buddy.
Only I can choose when to bus.

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To my knowledge that’s about right. Then again, the reading of mala versus the reading of bell does not go both ways.

I’ve always had a pretty hard time reading her. The game has a way of working them out though. Rather, it’s never been super detrimental for me to just sit there and let her work herself out.

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VOTE: superbowl

I prefer pasta

The fuck

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I knew you were scum only a liar would rebuke pizza

pasta is much tastier and easy to make

I dunno what your role is, but you’re definitely scum in spirit.

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if you want to feed superbowl answers on how to respond to my vote, do it in the scum pt

... i literally waited for superbowl9 to respond to this before commenting on it to not feed answers

like c'mon

:/
Like, I get it. But this feels like “ugh, look at how careful I’m being through method acting, notice me.”

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You’re complaining about not getting credit for something they probably wouldn’t notice as either alignment. Now saying I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t, in a tortured reference of two things that don’t really have to do with each other.

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It seems like a waste to be annoyed at your posturing. It just comes off as fake and it’s not like I’m not guilty of it as town. Eh, you’re fine.

Then again.
Eh, I’ll just focus elsewhere. Well, there’s no reason to pursue something that’s tiresome.
Hum.

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No, I’m saying he wouldn’t notice *you* not posting to allow superbowl to post.

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if you want to feed superbowl answers on how to respond to my vote, do it in the scum pt

... i literally waited for superbowl9 to respond to this before commenting on it to not feed answers

like c'mon

This is a complaint.

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inconsistency is not a scumtell etc etc

bulge is town

The only way I can interpret this is that you’re giving them a town read to leave you alone.

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the way bulge is going about it seems townie. like, he seems so fucking deadset in seeing this through, i don't feel like he's pushing me just to push me. and i think scum is somewhat less likely to notice the inconsistency in my emotional reaction from the first post to the second

*Squints*

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I don’t think datisi would agree that Datisi is a good scum player.

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What was the point of announcing that you thought Bulge was town at that point in time?

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Do you still use note pts?

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I don’t disagree. But he likes getting down on himself. But I bet you he’s getting better at not going so as time goes on.

I just don’t know what to make of Datisi. Something feels weird, but like, i’m not sure what and I don’t know how to ask.

[Bell]

yes

no because to make good pizza you need to have a certain kind of oven whereas with pasta you can make great pasta with just a pot and some dishes.

probably Bell

not yet

Maybe later.

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Honestly, you all deserve the guillotine for this.

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I do. It was funny.

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I don’t remember ever impressing anyone.

I’m confused why you think I’m going through the motions but you don’t understand the point of my questions.

If I was going through the motions wouldn’t my questions be pretty clear in terms of focus and purpose?

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yes i'm aware those are two different things but i still find it eyebrow raising he wouldn't think about if the two actions are interconnected somehow, you feel

See, this is what’s weird about you this game.
So far.
More than the usual.

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Your read on bulge feels like bullshit.

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*shrug*
Hopefully you’ll sort yourself out. Lol not that I’ve ever had actual luck reading you.
You’ve done your part this dp.

VOTE: Sheepsaymeep
Hello block buddy! Tell me who the scum are. So that I can vote outside of my block.

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@STD,What changed?

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*shrug*
Hopefully you’ll sort yourself out. Lol not that I’ve ever had actual luck reading you.
You’ve done your part this dp.

VOTE: Sheepsaymeep
Hello block buddy! Tell me who the scum are. So that I can vote outside of my block.

Repost.

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I’d be awol if I were scum unfortunately.
I got punched in the face yesterday by a 6 year old and I’m processing that. It’s the kind of thing I’d use as an excuse to avoid posting but also, I can’t really force myself to post. I have a hard time as scum.

It’s my general policy to talk to everybody and engage. I like solving even though I’m extremely shit at it. But it’s been busy, so not as much solving and I’d like.

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It’s unusual for someone to say during a game of mafia that their emotions were correctly interpreted and that because a player was being stubborn in following up on those questions it’s alignment indicative. There’s also little in the way of wishy washiness, compare ari’s read of me to their read of bulge and it pretension wafts from it.

That said,

@shadi What do you think of sheep and Dunn?

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No, no I’m totally scum this game. I just know my own bad habits and how I’ve responded to events in the past. Doesn’t mean I can’t overcome them.

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I can't describe it but it feels a little stilted like "I'm just gonna troll because I'm scum and I don't know what else to say"

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an example of this.

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How do you tell the difference between the trolls that always troll and the scum trolls.

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There’s scum on my wagon. Ifywim maybe.

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Honestly, if he’s scum, we don’t have a chance.

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Oh, I’m uneasy with the game state too, but mostly because lurkers so I’d like them to post more or die.
Or reveal themselves as scum and then die.
Or reveal themselves as town and then I think they’re scum and then they die.
Or reveal themselves as town and I think they’re town and they don’t die.

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i feel like this game is more difficult than the average mafia game

my feeling is that std+ dunn are town from the last few pages

will try and parse the longer posts better when i get back
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It’s not. Probably.

What about the last few pages makes you think they’re both town?

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Where did Ari go

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No enjoy your time. Just wasn’t sure why you stopped popping in at whatever frequency my brain was keeping you to. To be clear. It wasn’t intentional?

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Dunn is full of sass as either alignment.

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That’s fair. Kind of how I’ve felt too.

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Are you uninterested in keeping those good vibes afloat when they drift off? Or do you not consider a productive game with content a part of that vibe?

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With Shadi, I’m mostly surprised they gave me a real answer instead of saying they had no fucking clue when I asked them what they thought of Dunn and Sheep.

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will put my vote somewhere useful in approximately 1.5 hours

But he never did.

Pedro: lmao, literally just writing this.

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I’ve cooled down from a very slight scum lean to a mild town lean with the genuine caveat that I’m not sure if I’m looking at them with the right lenses. I’m not really excited with any of my reads this game. On the bright side, I haven’t death tunneled into a townsperson. I’m sure they appreciate it.

I’m not sure if you’re referring to where you speculated Y something was partners with Datisi, or where you started to town lean on Y something. I don’t do partner associations before flips or rather, I don’t take them seriously in my head.

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timing stuff is fine with regards to the 486 because i was just not incorporating time to write the pedit lol sorrysorry

still curious why bell would have been looking at that post in particular though

Part of my play style is to antagonize people.
That’s a very negative way to put it.
Part of my play style is to apply pressure/poke at people. I don’t like when there are unreadable players or people that don’t participate in a way that I feel is likely to be interpretable to me. The closer to deadline we get the more I want to poke people. I was just rereading the game and saw a dropped ball.

@Dunn. No. None of that.

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Your name is hard to remember, so I’m relying on the fact the First Lady of your name starts with y.

Yekeartina?
Yeketarina?
I think it’s the second one.
I used to call datisi, datasi for like a month or two.

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Autocorrecting the first letter to the First Lady sure is a thing. I didn’t capitalize them either is the First Lady and first gentle supposed to be capitalized. Are they god. Or I see how it is you won’t capitalize god but you’ll capitalize the First Lady.

That’s cool. I approve.

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I am not a morning person.

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It’s like tadasi!
Tada

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They’re defending sheep for inadmissible reasons.

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Oh, Katyas fine if you’re fine with that.

Cat-yaa (silent s?)
How do you pronounce it?

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Yeah, the tyuh seems to need to go fast to give it that zing of rightness. Too slow and it feels wrong. Cool.

Anyway, I’m going back to sleep now. I’ll try to read shadi’s walls. Never.

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people need to actually post and interact with Bell so I can refine my read on him

like this doesnt work if ya'all don't post

See, this is part of what makes me think you could be scum. You could easily do this yourself. It’s not like I’m unavailable.

Or maybe you’re just eccentric, cause that’s that I thought the first time we talked this game.

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Are you uninterested in keeping those good vibes afloat when they drift off? Or do you not consider a productive game with content a part of that vibe?

Repost. @ari

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You’re looking at a game you feel is dead and seemingly not interested in injecting life in it.
You spoke about wanting good vibes at the start of the game. But aren’t seemingly interested in contributing to it.

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I already think you're mafia so it probably would not be productive

Why?

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like if noone is around who am i supposed to talk to?

Is this a serious question
Nobody is talking to anyone else we’re all out of sync with each other. This is a message board. You just come up with your own opinions about stuff, reread things and see if any thoughts come to you etc etc.

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I lean slightly town on Katya, bulge he went down a little but still town, with decent vibes and asides. Albeit I’ve been stabbed by him, twice. Maybe just once.
Mala feels alright, as does Super Bowl, but I’m not against more pressure on either of them.
Dunn is being Dunn.

Meow said they came back from New Orleans or something but also got prodded but also said the power or their laptop wasn’t working which is some kind of mystery. I’m not sure if it’s a gimmick for each reentry or if they’re actually just scum lying about their absences but it’s so silly that I can’t actually take myself seriously when I think it.

Sheep is obviously scum.
STD is my favorite this game. but also, they are extremely scummy and furthermore

Shadi’s weird. I don’t have a box to put them in, I agree with whoever said they seem to be people pleasey, but also I can see it just being them.

The only thing I have on Datisi is the Bulge town read weirdness. The rest seems fine to me.

I’m not really happy with my reads so far this game, but that’s cool. I usually just get a few town reads I’m comfortable with (I only have one). But like that’s why I’m being how I’m being.

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Half the time those kinds of formatted reads from meow come from scum. I haven’t a clue why.

Datisi tipped downward.

@sheep: if you read my posts you’d probably be less confused.

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does datisi being upset with me for not voting feel like,

right? to you

like it is logical and reasonable of course and he is probably correct regarding why my play bad

but does the way in which expressed feel like, town?

People always get pissy at me for taking forever to vote. He could be leaning into it though, yeah it is more severe than I’d expect.
I’m mostly not a fan of a different post he made, but I’m not going to comment on it. Partly because it’s less AI and more of a utility he flushed down the drain for no reason that I can see except he either didn’t think it would matter later or he thinks he’s being irreverent when he’s just making a simple error.

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Suddenly Bulge is my strongest scum read and we should absolutely kill him.

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No reason.

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I’d post a gif and omgus. But I don’t wanna prove Dunn right. Instead, I shall politely ask you to get your paws off me you absolute monster.

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Eh. Dunn hasn’t really done enough for me to care what happens to him, but I agree that he’s not a good wagon right now. He’s better after day 1,

Usually.

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I feel mildly offended that you think I wouldn’t have better made up reads if I were scum this game.

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Oh no, my scum game sucks. But I try to appear more competent and useful when I’m scum.

The bulge thing was a half joke. Their town reads hit a critical mass, so I said the opposite to reduce the possibility of an nk, but I’m not invested in it enough to keep the joke going. Which is also something I do. The other half of the joke is that scum are town reading him too so they must be happy with him. Because he’s scum which eh sometimes scum try to get to read too much and overshoot. But it’s not a thing.

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You don’t have to trust someone’s intentions to hear someone out.

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*pats meep seat*

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Well obviously because I’m town reading them.

I don’t think Bulge has gotten a single scum read. They’re either quiet or joined in.
I suppose it doesn’t have to mean they’re content about it, but they’re not challenging it either.

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Anyway if you have to explain the joke etc etc.

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Oh yeah, I got burned a time or two.
I don’t think they’ve been trying especially hard to be townie this game though. But now I’m paranoid on second thought.

Thanks for that.

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Yes, this was answered.

I'm glad that Bulge has a functioning sarcasm detector.
Albeit, I also enjoy mind games.
Uh. So I guess I need to explain the concept of people not always saying what they mean or meaning what they say.
In regards to Meep I think I've pretty much already covered that I'll push people if I don't think they're playing in such a way I can read them.
do you have any other opinions or reads Sheep or is Bell scum because he's going after the lurkers about surmises it?

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The amount of credulousness Drew gave Meep raised my eyebrows. But not enough to get off my ass. I feel like he just gave a non-answer agreement, or what do you call it. It's hen you find something to agree with someone on that isn't really what they were talking about. In this case, he agreed that lurkers = scum is bad, intentionally agreeing with something Meep wasn't saying. Meep was saying he thought that it was weird that I seemed to genuinely believe that lurkers should die because they are likely to be scum. Essentially they thought something was off (they found the sarcasm) but couldn't put together what (the sarcasm), exactly the mystery belied. It was kind of funny. But Drew didn't do anything with it other than avoid disagreeing with them.

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You didn't engage with Meeps open question of whether Bell believed what he was saying or doing, but instead provided the platitude that reduction-ism is bad and left it there. I've already made posts that provide clarity about what I'm actually doing, i.e., pressuring people with threats, thin veneers of ones at that, which resulted in confusion for those less inclined toward reading. adding "totally" to "I think they're scum" is intended to be self depreciating. It' silly on it's face because, obviously, I don't know who the scum are.

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Right the point. The point is instead of examining whether Meep had a point or in my case whether they're serious or not or intentionally missing the sarcasm or just not bothering to read earlier posts you basically just agreed on an easy point to agree on. You didn't seem inclined to check what they were thinking or why.

To be fair, I always get all annoyed when other people don't defend me even when it makes no logical sense. But then I worked through that to come to your post just being a little strange.

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....Why do I have to use so many words to make a small point that barely means anything in the gran scheme of the game.
It's a minor observation at best and unlikely to be reliable as a scum tell.
I might as well have commented on the weather.

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1. Meep says it's weird that I unironically seem to think that lurkers are more likely to be scum than not.
2. My confidence in the read was fake, intended to pressure them. I've made a few posts pointing out that I pressure players I can't read because I'm trying to find the scum and so on.
3. You respond to Meep and instead of focusing on what Meep is thinking "it's weird that he seems to think this" you agree that people thinking that lurkers are scummy is bad and end it at that.
4. This demonstrates you didn't read my earlier posts or did read my earlier posts but couldn't put it together or decided not to investigate what they were saying in a meaningful way and just gave a bog-standard response. Or decided that while you did read my posts and understood what I was doing it didn't serve your interest to correct them. Or investigate their reasoning further.

pedit: is anyone else getting repeatedly logged out every 3 minutes or so?

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Lukewarm isn't here so I'm not gunna write it a 5th time if you still don't get it. Or pretend not to get it or whatever it is you're doing.
I'd say that you should understand what I'm writing because you've played mafia for awhile, but I can be difficult to understand and follow and this loop isn't atypical. I usually have to do this once every other game.

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I’m not flexing my lexicon tho, I’m using different words to say the same thing cause you asked.

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Page top.

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That’s a typical response but doesn’t really mean much without specifics. Our attention and what we think is important differs from each individual. With some overlap, honestly probably too much overlap on basic agreed upon alignment indicators.

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I mean, I too can make a dismissive comment. But I didn’t mean to insult your intelligence if that’s what you’re actually being prickly about. I assume not or else you’d have said it.

Probably.

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Yeah. I’m mercurial. My reads change on a dime and I don’t always mean what I say or say what I mean. I play the game kind of like a mix of poker, i bluff, I lie, I come up with minor schemes and plans to get people to reveal alignment stuff.

I also brain dump every thought that goes through my head when I’m pressured either because I’m about to die or I’ve survived long enough that I have a responsibility to solve and to prevent myself from getting miseliminated.

It’s hard to emulate, so my scum game suffers as a result.

I don’t think my play style is unusual though. It’s an unusual mix, but separately, not.

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Unironically more sheep votes. Their iso is bad.

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I thought it was in direct reference to you.

I'm just gunna lurk and wait. My basic case for Sheep is that they're unreadable and intentionally being so. The only reason that they have such a narrow view of the game is because they're choosing to minimize what they share.

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My basic case for Sheep is that they're unreadable and intentionally being so. The only reason that they have such a narrow view of the game is because they're choosing to minimize what they share.

reposting this so it doesn't get lost. Back to lurkin'

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I don't get the feeling they've failed to read the game to the point they have nothing to comment on. I could be wrong tho.

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Actually, drew is lying. It’s pretty clear he acknowledged that super bowl’s vote moved.

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VOTE: Dr. Drew

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

Come at me bro

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

But why so quick to go off Dats, then Ari, then me?

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

One, literally had no idea you were voting me.

Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.

So ya, phony.

There aren’t many ways to interpret “off” as anything other than to to jump off of and jump onto someone else. Or in this case, switch votes.

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It would be a really tortured use of go off to mean “to go off”

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I’m not *not* town reading meowmeow.

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I really don’t think I’m dying this day phase, so you have plenty of time to get better reads

I’ll be here to kill whoever we end up killing. I don’t think the meta argument for sheep town works in this context. It’s certainly not enough to give them a pass.

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It was probably just a verbal slip after a poser contest. I lie and scum slip all the time as town.
Worth poking at him just to see what he does tho. You’re a bit too on top of things, but there are decent reasons to be so when the game just kind of dies when left alone.

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I will literally vote anyone if the deadline gets close enough. I’d prefer sheep. I’m curious what Meow flips but not curious enough to lend it more weight than it has. Your point about Datisi, isn’t enough to move me but they already spilled some beans so I’m apathetic toward trying to save him, which I’m not inclined to do. Twice shy. Nobody’s really given me a good reason to go after Shadi, they’re not making it to end game at their current pace tho.

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The only player that I might listen to is Dunn, and they haven’t done enough for me to be interested in what they think besides trying to figure out their alignment.

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I dislike deadline eliminations. I’m leaning Datisi. I’m not sold they’re actually mad. it’s just a way to keep people off of them long enough to get through the day.

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VOTE: Datisi

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If anybody wants to kill Meep just say the word and I will be back like I was never gone.

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Aris, what are the current reasons you think I’m scum?

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I don’t really think Katya has said vaguely townie things. Mostly it’s just that they’re unique, here when they could coast and are pretty consistent with their pushes to get things moving if they can. I don’t agree with whoever said votes moving is important at this phase of the game. They’re doing enough to offset whatever effect not throwing their vote around wildly would have.

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I’ve intentionally avoided making posts that would be unproductive to conversation. I wrote them but then deleted them . It’s a sign of growth.

We’ve played together one other time, a year ago? I’m fully capable of being a smarmy wise ass as scum. It’s one of the only things that seems to translate fine between alignments.

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Pushing Dunnstral is always a wise thing.

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The problem with my wit is that it comes at other people’s expense.

Example of a deleted post in response to drew saying he wanted to play mafia, not read war and peace.
“I did, one day I saw Mastina’s posts and I knew this was where I belonged. Also don’t be a baby and crack open a dictionary, you joined a game that is entirely made of words what the fuck?”

Not nice.

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I’m almost convinced that Katya thinks I’m scum because I have a dog avatar.

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Not much. He’s always been on the periphery of games I’ve played with him. He’s fun to play with. I don’t think he’s done anything that warrants the number of votes he’s gotten.

But I could say the same for a number of players who should have a lot more votes but don’t. Game’s weird.

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Regarding dog perspective. It’s complicated to explain but I’m usually working from a political perspective rather I entertain a lot of different perspectives including what I’d be doing as scum as town. Looking at trejectories of where players seem to be going etc.

Like “ boy, it sure would be funny if I was bussing here” or “I’d do this as scum, but I’m not, sucks”

I don’t really think that’s showing much this game though. So, I’d prefer you elaborate on specific examples if you can, Katya.

Like, as scum why am I hanging here and posting instead of just going off and enjoying my life. Nobody is going to think about that, even though it’s pretty AI for me.

I think I got spoiled by all the people that just instantly know I’m town within the first 30 pages. Alas.

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Sure I can meta him, but have I ever told you my reads and accuracy are garbage?
Because I should probably have started with that.

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Std, mala both did that.
Dunn isn’t voting me, so I’m assuming he’s town reading me because he correct estimates that my scum game sucks.

But they’re also not super active. Unlike the Notsciences, or Cabd or ffyrlit’s of the world that will slap down people for looking at me cross when they think I’m town.

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Dunnstral’s more quiet than I’m used to him being at deadline. It could be that he doesn’t like this game, but his circumstances have probably changed so it seems pointless to guess using ancient data.

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do you think any of them could be slotting you as town way too early ?

Nope. I like being town read and scum them and town them are both going to slot me in early as town unless they want me rummaging around in their backyard looking for clues.

I’m not a perfect person. I omgus with the best of them. I know it’s unpleasant.

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In the best of fashions you’re both right.
It’s a joke because Dunnstral annoys me with his play style and when we first played together I pushed at him * a lot* to read him. So it’s like a policy. But I’ve kind of given up, I’ve told him before that I don’t think he’s very readable day one unless he engages more and he’s not bucking that trend here.

But in addition it’s usually just a good idea to push people. But I’m not clear why Dunn is missing here.

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If a Dunnstral wagon ever materialized this game day one I probably would have been pointedly not defending him while pretending I’m just holding off but I think he might be scum, while not actually having a clue. Just to get a better read of him. My conclusions reached from whatever happened there I would have probably diminished confidence in just because I don’t actually believe any of my reads have any accuracy whatsoever.

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I’m not interested in a sudden Dunn wagon at this deadline though, no.

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But as mentioned, I will kill anyone before deadline. But it’s not happening, nor should it happen.

Unless he’s scum in which case it should happen, but I dunno.

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So I was doing the reading thing after a nap and I stopped after reaching the point when SB said: “Dont bother meta is useless and mine is even moreso useless”

Just kidding I finished. After a review of 3 games and I don’t got nuffin. I guess the fact he broke out the quotes is slightly different but mostly I just have a head ache now.

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bell, what is the thought process and the plan behind your current vote

I figure you will die if I vote you.

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Dbz, mininormal 2234 and AI upick part 2. In reverse order.
Scum, town, scum (but it's multiball so it's not really the same thing).

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I already posted my thought process. But in actuality, I was actually pretty serious in my answer.
You're not a mason.
You're mad for reasons that appear to be self-serving/meant to protect you.
Your Bulge read is bad and weird and saying "k" when I challenged you on it, while adorably smug, just made me feel bad but didn't give me anything to work with. s
It's deadline.
I don't have a plan except to go over your posts if you flip scum for associatives and to examine where everybody was if you're not to see if anyone seemed more informed than otherwise.
It's always awkward to kill the mad players because I never know if I'm about to insult them if they flip town, but it's half and half and I'm sorry if I'm wrong.Wouldn't be the first time.
I'm happy to kill Meep though.
Seriously, really wanna kill Meep.

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I also, really do have a head ache and am sort of panicking because of all the shit I have to do suddenly.
Who demands a paper on the first week back to college? 2 days after a syllabus goes up? A sadist is who.

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And she did it while knowing we work full time jobs. Like. She released it on a monday.
Jesus christ.

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*takes off gloves*
I respect people that deny things in like a play for power or whatever. But you're not reading Katya's post you fop. They've made multiple posts hesitating on you and I see a mad lad who has brought up they don't like this game, like twice.
As for my confidence or whatever. I am literally never confident. If I voted Sheep, I would be wondering if they were gunna flip town or scum.
if I vote you I'm going to be wondering if it's town or scum.
I don't know who the scum are.

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Yes, I did notice their posting rate was different in the one town game I reviewed and the two scum games I reviewed. I
I don't have to go over why that's probably not relevant unless you're as bad at playing as mafia as I am, do I?

Yes, I noticed the lack of aggressiveness or the softer touch. At least initially, but they also made similar jokes and had similar conversations in normal. They also became sharper once they got poked here.
They also said twice in that game not to meta them because they intentionally change their meta from game to game and generalizations based on that sample size over that time frame isn't a good idea.

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That was RL stuff yes.

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Mini 2234.

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In games when players have been angry with me it rarely mattered if I thought they were scum or town or whether I was undermining them in terms of others reads of them by preaching caution or by undercutting their scum reads or targets. People can get mad at me and it will effect my reads and approach to them even if I think they're scum, because I'm not *sure* they're scum. Rather, I rarely think and most don't think "player x is scum, Player y is town" we're not binary in our thinking like that, it's an oversimplification you're providing and not a particularly common one at your level of play.

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Maybe the trick is to encourage people to meta you instead.
If I said don't check under the bed there's nothing there I swear.
Everybody is going to be digging down there for the day is out.

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Oh. No I'm pretty sure most people could be outted by a sophisticated enough program. People are pretty bad at meta tho, yeah.

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He hasn't been canceled.

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So there are 16 hours left and I have work tomorrow.
You guys need to kill someone, because I will lose my shit if a no lim happens.
I didn't join a game after however long it's been to lose by default.

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Do sheep, sheep each other

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If you're buying, I'll take one churro please.
Also, I liked their nacho fry things.
That was a good idea.

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sometimes, people cut themselves off of certain eliminations when in poor positions *because*
It makes certain kinds of people hesitate to eliminate them.

That said. I do not, in fact, want to sheep the sheep that says meep.

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Prefer Datisi, but etc.
There will be an elimination.

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Yeah so, it turns out my work meeting is in a building without a an internet connection. There’s a break but I have to go back in till 4.

Can’t switch my vote. Kill Datisi.
Sorry.

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Sigh
Oh well!

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This page top is mine by right.

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Por no los dos.

Though, I’m less broken up about the NK. I would’ve been paranoid about Bulge no matter how much I said I town read him.

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Sigh
Oh well!

Scumslip?

Scum what

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Personally, I don’t think his schedule let him participate actively. His iso isn’t great though, yeah.

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I drop a lot of crumbs that aren’t actually crumbs. It’s a quirk to how I write.

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@Drew, if SB flips town will you let me lim you afterward?

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I feel like the opposite happened. Didn’t he vote you super late in the game day while being a viable wagon while you weren’t?

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Oh. I misread it.

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I’m not extremely confident in Ari. Still trying to get a handle.

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I am extremely not following. But divided attention, at work.

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It’s an invasion of the body snatchers!
*screams*

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I think quite a few people wanted to get SB, it’s just that the most active people weren’t sold which gave off the impression of crickets.

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Well of course it’s fluff.
I’m a dog you know.

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Why don’t you just ask questions of people.
What is it with people demanding other people ask questions for them. Are you some kind of aristocrat?

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Why do you like it when people don’t explain things while simultaneously asking people to ask questions of other people which, presumably, would involve them explaining themselves. *psyduck*

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Yes, absolutely, I’m lining up eliminations.

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Aris is pretty close, I’m that plus seeing how you react to a game of chicken. So, you’re not confident you’re just mostly confident. While presenting yourself as supremely confident.

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Page top!

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Why are you mostly confident that Super Bowl is scum Drew?

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I forget if Mala is a town hunter.

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@Drew, if SB flips town will you let me lim you afterward?

If you want me limmed why not just vote me now? This kinda reads that you know Superbowl will flip town and want to string together mis lims.

And yes I know the possibility they could be masons, but why sacrifice who you know who is town if you are town?

I dunno what your second question means.

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My intention is to sit on the sidelines and poke people. You’ve been poked. Your reaction is “I don’t see the town motivation in being poked in this way” which I don’t find particularly useful.

Pedit: sure. But he presented it as wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff right out. Or the emotional equivalent anyway. Not the best take ever, but far be it from me to criticize someone for not articulating themselves good.

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I’m not really sure why “willingness to comply” is a town trait.

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Because we’re masons obviously.

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Mostly because there’s more to get from this day and secretly I prefer Shadi.
Don’t tell anyone.

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I dunno if you’re being disengrnous about SB, but repeating that you think I’m lining up Lims is not great.

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Well, think of it from my perspective buddy.
If I’m town and you’re saying I’m lining up lims as scum am I supposed to think “bright lad, he’s got me, shame about the town role pm but maybe next time”.

Or do you think I’m going to think. After explaining myself, “well, this guy sucks. “

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Don’t answer that btw, it’s basically just that you’re either being deliberately dense by ignoring my perspective or you are that dense.

Either’s annoying.
Except when it’s me doing it.
Then it’s fine.

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I don’t have the guts to open wolf as scum.
*tries to remember*
Maybe once or twice.
I open wolf more as town tbh.

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Well that’s kind of the point. My sense of humor is very much for me, but not for thee.

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You didn’t, I just genuinely don’t think it’s a good idea for me to start pushing an elimination when there are unknowns.
This is part of why I wanted to kill Sheep.
When you let half the game be composed of people that don’t have that immediacy to them, it makes it hard to get RT interactions, albeit it’s not an expectation of forum mafia for this to be the case. I do better when it is though.
Or I have more fun anyway.

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I do want to kill Shadi though.
Consider my vote there in spirit

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Why shad? because of the little scum tell trips of the traditional variety.

I noticed some players including me controlling for expectations out the game I tend to associate this more with scum. But unlike me who said it and then proceeded to do the opposite of that Shadi gradually birched out, but with these like, large posts. They have a reactivity to them, rather, a passivity that I also associate with some types of scum. They could be lazy tho. I don’t like their read of me and I don’t like how squarish they are when interpreting the game.

I like SB this game and I don’t really think they’re mafia, they’re also readable in a way that I don’t think Shadi is. Or maybe Shadi is just scum and they are readable. Just in that kind of common way.

Shadi, quick question, do you enjoy playing mafia or town more?

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I really want to develop reads on other players though.

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Ohh, I broke one of my own rules on not using the “I don’t like” wording.

Alas. Rules I make for myself must be cast aside the rocky shores when they are no longer useful.

I blame the rest of the town for this.

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Pre Edit: I can respect that, I am starting to realize that I want to just understand you more......you are a puzzle that is causing me fits.

Note for later. Gotta line up them Lims bb.

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Nah drew actually engages so just avoiding it for the politics of it is lame, Bell.

Sometimes when I’m scum and bored I focus more on getting to know people because I already know what their alignment is.
This can come off as a curiosity about stuff that doesn’t matter or isn’t alignment related.

It’s a self-tell, but I think it probably apply to other people. Because I understand the idea that people gravitate to the fun parts of stuff and avoid tedium. Scum faking suspicion is boring. Getting to know people is fun.

Fos etc etc, and so on, probably not the lim today.

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Then again they don’t really engage, rather they just kind of talk at you. But maybe it’s better to say they engage on their own terms.

Mm, words fail me.
Whatever.

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The aristocrats, I knew it.

You want to see where the flow goes and where the opportunities are. Got it. That’s not scummy.

Ohhh, same, I like mountainous set ups.
Yeah sure your activity is the same as either alignment, but do you engage people and the game in the same way?

Describe how you’d be approaching this game as if you were scum here and what you’d be doing differently from that if you were town.

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*snicker*

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True fact when I’m scum I post more music videos.