Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

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hey

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i am an improvement so there

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my mom thinks so at least

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she said "that claptastic guy looks like trouble. but you're an angel mwah mwah mwah"

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why so many questions so early Jackson

this is a weird thing to ask

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jv town

that's about it

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shaddowez beat me to it

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VOTE: sircakez

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Disliked STD entrance. More of a vibe read than anything substancial, but it seems he's trying to look 'detached cool townie' if that makes sense.

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jake is town

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more later maybe

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more later maybe

For your awareness:

You are going to be my main push tommorrow should more not happen between now and then.

Why std?

-Asclepius

Generally, I'm pushing people who have low game activity and already have some momentum their way. Specifically, Dragon's posts have both lacked relevancy and lacked luster.

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Why not push him now? What did you think of shaddow's catch-up?

While I would love to push him now, I don't think there's enough momentum that way. Though, I suppose I'll need to be the change I wish tosee in the thread.

Shadez catch-up was alright(?) but it didn't really inspire confidence in me that they were town. I can do a deeper breakdown if prompted.


Speaking of being prompted...
VOTE: Save The Dragons

Now that I'm hokage you have to respect me! Believe it!

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VOTE: mucho replacement slot

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why mucho?

Cuz I don't feel like they really did much and I think they are worth voting for. I don't see why not give the replacement a little pressure to perform and see what happens

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you shouldn't really post in a game until you get confirmation from the mod, fyi.

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this game is weird

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this game is weird

Why?

i feel like most people perhaps myself included, aren't really doing much of anything

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I think JV didn't like your predecessor

i just voted you for the lolz mostly

star...er...skygazer sheeped me onto you

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VOTE: Argonauts

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Pre Edit: Who made this man a list mod? I demand a recount

this conspiracy goes all the way to the top

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VOTE: Invisibility

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Jake The Wolfie

Black

lucca261

Hu Tao

Argonauts (hydra of Aureal, Doctor Drew, and RH9)

JacksonVirgo

Skygazer

shaddowez

SirCakez

Not_Mafia

Jacob24

Roden

Invisibility

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I'm painting you orange in solidarity with aureal

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Not_Mafia is being prodded.

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I'm down to fade Jacob

I feel like he TMI'd that Hu Tao was the scum kill

This except I don't fade people I lim them

VOTE: jacob

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I have a loyal modifier and my action failed on you

Jackson, would you like to share your full role to the class?

I don't really understand this question

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Yes I don't know why they asked

What possible other answer would you give

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Something else I found, not sure if it is relevant.

Post 394, Save the Dragons said "jake is town" - that's all

Are there roles which make you know another player's faction? If so, STD and Jake would likely both be town?

That was a read

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I would've gone with (as though this is surprising) Shadez, Black, and Dragons.

Mainly Dragons. I'll reeval Shadez and Black over the night

i liked ur slot better when it was zebedee

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can i drink that

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Cake claimed both

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Incredible

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Does either of you want to take back your cakez vote or are you both good

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VOTE: shadow

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I haven't read the last several pages but I looked through them and saw a lot of Jackson/Jake stuff and a Jackson town case on me. Low-key worried about Jackson knowing my alignment but I need to actually read them tomorrow when I get the chance

Lurkers be lurking this game. Frequent lurkers are kinda annoying. They can just do nothing as scum and when you push them people say "oh they always play like that"

At some point we gotta hold these people accountable by just yeeting them. Yeah I'm looking at you listmods

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How can I be partnered with everyone

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i'm still unsure i want to vote out skygazer

i think scum is unlikely to make that claim. it's possible but seems rather unlikely. i also kinda liked her day 1 play

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i feel like shadow comes from a place of actively not doing anything, where skygazer comes from an "idgaf im town" mindset

could be wrong but i think that's where i'm at

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Sky is either scum true claiming neighbor or town true claiming

Lying about being a neighbor lends yourself to a potential counter claim

I would guess there are more town neighbor roles than scum neighbor roles but I could be wrong about that, haven't counted

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Well I did not know that

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It does matter odds wise but I'm not willing to fight this further

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Because if there's a neighbor in the game they could counterclaim

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Fuck it

intent

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It's not important but she would risk being counter claimed if she was lying about it

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See I was right town is more likely

even if I didn't know it

bask in my brilliance

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Hello hello

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Wow

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Get your rear into gear for I fear the hammer draws near, ya hear?

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No one is really seemingly interested in anything else

I still would rather do shadow but I'm not going to convince people when they're dead set on skygazer

I'm also a little sus of skygazers lack of presence today

I also figure even if I had no pings I'm either wrong and we get a scum, yay, or I'm right and maybe people will listen to me tomorrow, yay and we can get scum

But I am having doubts

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I don't agree but ok

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I'd be willing to wagon Shadez.

I'm not sure I believe this

You've had like 2 days get off your vanity push of black that no one else seems interested in to add legitimacy to the shadow wagon by bringing it to 3 votes

What's your opinion of sky anyway

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I townread me

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I townread me

Why should we townread you though

What townie things have you done this game

Surely you don't scumread me due to "std not being townie"

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What happened to skygazer suspicion?

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On one paw I think it's pretty gutsy to scumread so much of the board

On the other paw I'm not sure I believe this progression. I don't see a case against me so it looks like a half hearted attempt to capitalize on cakez's comment retracting his read of my behavior. Why is her hero solve not including sky when she was so confident yesterday? What caused the doubts?

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I don't believe you think I'm scum

I don't believe you just changed your read on sky from today's posts

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VOTE: std

Sky honestly what is the reason

Black had yet to give a single reason

I believe you are town

I believe she couldn't get you mislimmed so she's coming for me

I believe that is a more reasonable progression than her fluid reads

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VOTE: black

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Convince me

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I don't think there are great reasons to townread StD

I don't think there are great reasons to think Black is not an ax murderer

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I don't even know who scumreads you tbh. Probably not many people. You purposely play anti-town so when people push you as scum you can just say "I play like that yo"

Why would scum!me jump off sky when the sky wagon was at e-1 for like 3 days?

Ok so am I doing that here because I'm scum or because I'm town just playing like that yo

Sky wagon was at e-1 for days and it didn't go through so you changed targets to try to get a different mislim

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I declared intent to get people to hurry up and talk, not to actually hammer sky

You can tell by the way I didn't hammer sky at any opportunity to do so

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I don't think it's a bad play because you actually are convincing people to vote me? What the heck are you talking about

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Just because you're tunneled over apparently nothing doesn't make it true

I'm going to think about you some more

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I don't think it's a bad play because you actually are convincing people to vote me? What the heck are you talking about

Bro you have two votes

I am impulsive

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So you expected me to infer that and assume you were never going to hammer? Nah. Jackson said let him cook and I was under the impression you were honoring that. If I were scum I would have asked you or anyone else to hammer first instead of just jumping off

No but the hammer wasn't happening

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I don't think it's a bad play because you actually are convincing people to vote me? What the heck are you talking about

I'm having to put in effort. I don't think there are 6 people that currently scumread you rn. It's an infinitely worse play for me as scum

So maybe you're not scum? I don't know. I'm not voting you currently just explaining why scum!you would try something. You don't have to agree with me

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More votes on StD please

K

VOTE: Save the Dragons

-Atalanta

Still searching for a why from anyone

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Sigh

Black: I am putting in effort, it's silly to think scum me would get off sky it wouldn't do anything
Also Black: convinces people to vote Std by saying "more votes on std"

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Just as I told STD I'll get back to you in more depth relatively soon, I'm not liking what they're doing now by any stretch of the imagination. They're seemingly flailing and stressing over something incredibly little (from what I am reading). I'll put more thought into it in a few hours

I'm not supposed to be affected by a wagon on me forming out of nowhere?

What the heck are your standards for responses to things

Sorry I'm not a statue I guess

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VOTE: shadow I think they have some partner equity with black so this would give me some insight

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It's hardly out of nowhere, though tbf jumping off shadow when you were getting pushed is a good look

I am not following

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Sigh

Black: I am putting in effort, it's silly to think scum me would get off sky it wouldn't do anything
Also Black: convinces people to vote Std by saying "more votes on std"

I'm on mobile at work so I can't do the heavy lifting atm

I'm not sure I follow, my point is you're saying there's no reason for scum!you to do this but then you're able to get a wagon going easily which helps prove my point and disproves yours

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It's hardly out of nowhere, though tbf jumping off shadow when you were getting pushed is a good look

I am not following

What part?

Did not parse any

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Let me break it down

I'm either

A. Scum who cracked and panicked at the slightest bit of pressure because I've never played a single game of mafia in my life

Or

B. Tired from lack of sleep, wired from coffee to mitigate lack of sleep, stressed out and pissed off from work, hungry from skipping lunch, and annoyed at being scumread for ??? reasons when I am town.

Less votes on std please

I'll see yall tomorrow I'm gonna take a break

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It's hardly out of nowhere, though tbf jumping off shadow when you were getting pushed is a good look

I am not following

What part?

Did not parse any

What really?
I'm saying that the wagon didn't form out of nowhere, it's been cooking for a long time. It's just actually happening now.

maybe i'm missing something but i don't believe this is true. i believe black had suspicion of me earlier in the day but that's not a wagon, and skygazer and argo jumped on because of stuff that happened this day phase i'm assuming by the way sky said i pinged her this day phase and the way argo just jumped on because of black's prompting.

In regards to the second part, you got frustrated (or whatever emotion that was) to the wagon forming on you but you didn't commit harder to the current wagon. You jumped off it, which I don't expect from a wolf

i see now

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VOTE: shadow I think they have some partner equity with black so this would give me some insight

So if I'm reading this correctly you're scum reading Black, but my flip is what will give you insight into Black's alignment? Why would me flipping green change your mind about Black?

Hi

I am scum reading you

I think your activity and posts have been unimpressive. I am sympathetic to rl issues so I will keep thinking about this but that's where I'm at now.

I think if you flip red, black would be a potential partner

I think if you flip green, I'm not sure what it would mean for blacks alignment, but I would consider this fact when thinking about it.

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Let me break it down

I'm either

A. Scum who cracked and panicked at the slightest bit of pressure because I've never played a single game of mafia in my life

Or

B. Tired from lack of sleep, wired from coffee to mitigate lack of sleep, stressed out and pissed off from work, hungry from skipping lunch, and annoyed at being scumread for ??? reasons when I am town.

Less votes on std please

I'll see yall tomorrow I'm gonna take a break

Would you be willing to vote Jackson with me?

Let me look at Jackson again but I think I liked their day 1 for town

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Whether or not you can town read me is NAI by your own admission yet you're clinging to that as a reason to scumread me so I will decide if it's NAI.

As far as posts go let me look

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Your post is hypocritical.

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Regardless

I am at work and can't make a detailed case.

What initially stood out to me was the d1 posts are mostly fluffy. That by itself is ok but when shadow comes back to the thread they are incredulous about the wagon forming on them, when they had done very little up to that point.

He pushs both invisibility and Jacob in ways that encourage their mislims. I get that we all did that but looking back I could see those posts as with agenda

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I agree with you that you playing anti-town is NAI, so it's not really hypocritical is it?

All your posts suggest otherwise

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Because if it was truly NAI then you wouldn't be able to say "he's scum because he plays anti town!"

And if that's not the argument you've been trying to make, please clarify

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I fail to see why my read on you is bad I have explained why it works.

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If you don't agree with the logic that's fine but that doesn't make me scum

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I have explained. It's not a guaranteed mislim.

Even if it were, there's nothing stopping you from trying something else and going after sky later. Hell, you still express suspicion of her, so it wouldn't be too weird if you went back to her later.

Just because you see it as a bad play does not make it bad play or a play that wouldn't be done. You could have coordinated this with a partner (Argo) to try and put pressure on me to see what would happen.

Is it likely? Don't know. We can come to a place where it doesn't seem likely scum would do that.

Acting like its impossible is incorrect, however. Scum do all kinds of things all the time. I have presented a path where you are scum. Is it the correct path? I don't know.

You aren't thinking about it from my perspective at all. I don't know your alignment, and I was under pressure from external forces yesterday. I thought you could be scum. I think it's still possible. But I don't know for sure.

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There was no guarantee someone else would hammer or someone else wouldn't jump off. You taking initiative as scum you to look town is plausible.

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And then there's you backing off of me saying you're not even really sure I'm scum?

It's all fake. You know you can't fade me so you're going with the much easier mislim in shaddow

This is not coming to me in good faith. This is either a tunnel or a bad attempt to discredit me

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I do remember and was able to find posts of you casing sky though that was before you voted her.

But I will take the self meta into consideration. Thank you for that post.

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I will admit my mental state yesterday was not the best and I may have been rash

Having more clarity today I think that it is possible you dismantling the sky wagon out of an act to look town while still being able to shade them like you have would be a clever play and allow you to deepwolf until the end.. I don't honestly think it came to me at the time, though. I stand by what I said but I wavered on the strength of it as an argument, which is part of the reason I unvoted.

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If black is town

Jackson's insistence that black is town could just be TMI

Jake The wolfies insistence that black is scum and not doing much else could also be a way to attempt a mislim and not spew any partners

I need to think a bit

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I suppose that is fair but your case against sky makes me think you are unpartnered

As long as I was suspecting you I didn't think sky was your partner

Before that I did have doubts but I do resonate with her day 1 play enough to have given her a pass

But I will re evaluate her as well

Pedit: in response to black

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Anyway I'm done engaging with scum now

If shaddow flips town you all better sheep me on StD tomorrow

I think scum!black leaves the thread here and doesn't engage anymore but town!black continues engaging with me to see if her read has meat on it. Sorry Jake but I'm going to look elsewhere

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There are town reasons to fight to survive

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I would say even if that were true and I were scum with them I probably wouldn't fight as hard

It's a lot harder for me to be okay with a mislim against me, so I would actually argue my WIM and fight is town but that is self meta so take that with a grain of salt

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Small sample size.

Here's an example of me being pushed a lot d1 and eventually becoming the lim and me fighting back
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Took a quick peek at my iso in over easy mafia and I did not do it there but I do not think I was seriously suspected at any point

You were in that game

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I came back to the game to see my post from earlier never actually posted, and just disappeared from the post box.

Hi

I am scum reading you

I think your activity and posts have been unimpressive. I am sympathetic to rl issues so I will keep thinking about this but that's where I'm at now.

This part I'm good with. You're wrong, but that's part of the game. Thinking my posts are unimpressive shouldn't be scummy, unless you're trying to push something for no better reason. Do you regularly consider "not blatantly town" scum?

I think if you flip red, black would be a potential partner

I think if you flip green, I'm not sure what it would mean for blacks alignment, but I would consider this fact when thinking about it.

This is the part I don't like. D1

and

D2 you don't talk about me at all. Then beginning of D3 you come in, naked vote me, and then claim that it's from me doing nothing (which again, at most should be NAI).
Black you also don't mention on D1

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D2. Come D3 you call Jake's push on Black a vanity wagon in 1466, then post half arguments about Black, vote her, unvote her, then continue to shade her.

After that, you go back to me, saying there's partner equity. So either you don't think Black is scum anymore

unless

I'm scum (which doesn't sound like how you're viewing her as of this post - I realize later posts may indicate otherwise) or flipping me first doesn't make sense with that as a reason.

In response as I typed my case I realized it was somewhat lackluster and that is one of the reasons I unvoted you.

As far as "partner equity" goes I believe what I have explained makes sense. I think you two have barely interacted and she tr and defended you, making me think it is possible that you two could be scum together. Ergo if you are scum, she is a potential partner. That is all.

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black what's your opinion of jake the wolfie

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im wrestling with jackson

the big thing i'm struggling with is the jacob push d2. i could see scum doing that and doing a "tee hee oopsy whoopsy" about face

but would scum!jackson pick jacob because they saw an easy target? why not push someone else with a little more clout

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i don't really like that Jake was present D1 but ever since then he's just throwing barbs out and not doing anything to look for scum

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i dunno

i mean i think i lean town

i would argue their behaviors differ

D3 Sky wasn't present and then showed up saying she has pings of me so she voted me, i get the impressions she's thinking about the game
D3 Jake started on Black, then changed to shadow (at my request?) but since then hasn't pushed either just posted jokes

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i think both strategies are valid

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scroll up

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Funny haha about it being pagetop so I can't scroll up

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page tops are every 25 posts and yours is 20?

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OH i get it

scroll up from YOUR post, not mine

it's on this page

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i think i prefer shadow to skygazer but i don't feel great about anything right now

have not had time to look back at the people i wanted to look back at :<

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this is intent to hammer shadow

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a'ight time to claim

i'm a one shot everything bagel. i can target someone and cop them, vig them, doc them, roleblock them, hide behind them, and neighborize them all at the same time.

i targeted cakez and nothing happened

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why

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i guess i'm gonna hammer someone soon so make any final statements quickly

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VOTE: skygazer

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Not on for long, but here to say I babysat StD last night.

Goo goo gah gah

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Novice 1 shot cop

Used it N2

After Jacob flipped I was going to check JV

At the last minute I switched, went with my gut and targeted roden

Roden is town btw

Fuck me

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i was going to come in here and defend my voting record

but man

it really sucks

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if your ability failed what do you think happened

i am not scum

could you have been roleblocked?

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is this really happening

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this shade is pretty awful

of course jake could have been roleblocked or something else weird happening

jake could even be lying about all this

i don't find that very likely tho

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no town doesn't know that jake got blocked, there's half a dozens reasons why the check failed

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whatever

VOTE: argonaut

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VOTE: std