Open 906: AAAAAAHHHH I Ran out of Game Names!!! [Game Over]

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I am here to mention to the entire thread that only wimpy beta male fire is red, and the real gigachad flames are actually blue. VOTE: fireisredsir for being red.

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Is the 3p color here purple or smth

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The 3P color about to be red when my axe meets their neck

VOTE: Jack The Wolfie

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fuck I got it wrong

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VOTE: JupiterXV

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One time someone I had greenchecked convinced me that, in a non-bastard game, they were somehow the last Mafia we were looking for

Thank you for sharing this vital piece of information with us.

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Hot take Purplemango scum

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i voted jupiter in 76

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gamers do yall think jake voting purple is scum-motivated or not

The comment before the vote makes it seem like an excuse for jumping on a bus (that was only 2 votes at the time, so not even a bus)

Bad answer
VOTE: KayJayQueue

The correct answer is:
3rd vote scum theorem

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I did not ask the quest JacksonVirgo.

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gamers do yall think jake voting purple is scum-motivated or not

The comment before the vote makes it seem like an excuse for jumping on a bus (that was only 2 votes at the time, so not even a bus)

Bad answer
VOTE: KayJayQueue

The correct answer is:
3rd vote scum theorem

weird post. what does this mean?

It means that it was a bad answer and the correct answer is 3rd vote scum theorem.

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Glad I could be of help

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UNVOTE: JupiterXV[/v]

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oops
anyway jupiter is scum

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stop ateing

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oops
anyway jupiter is scum

Why not vote for him then?

Don't wanna

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i love it when 3 player poe 150 posts into the game

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it means post or eliminate
basically if you are in the POE and you do not post then you will be eliminated
it is a strategy against scum who intentionally post very infrequently to not attract attention (i.e. coasters)

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Bad morning

VOTE: JupiterXV

for unnecessary AtE

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I do not think you know what opportunism is.

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Also if you have reads based on any better evidence I'd love to hear it... or do you just want to stay in RVS forever? Discouraging early reads is one of the most unhealthy playstyles possible

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Also if you have reads based on any better evidence I'd love to hear it... or do you just want to stay in RVS forever? Discouraging early reads is one of the most unhealthy playstyles possible

i didn't think we were still in RVS even if the game is a little slow. and i'm not discouraging early reads. i don't think i'm being subtle at all about who i'm currently scumreading lol

provide reads then.

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here you go ming

SCUM-ISH:

awesomeming327:

honestly a mainly vibes-based read but tbh the vibes are off. a high-handed attitude, 'scumreading' players based on jokes or failing arbitrary tests, gives the impression that he wants to steer the direction of the game but none of his thoughts look real to me sorry.

KayJayQueue:

much softer read than above but got bad vibes from her defensive attitude when i poked her a little. that poke was based on her vote looking like it was following ming's opinion but my gut is saying they're probably not partnered so i'm doubting this a lot even as i type it lol.

NEUTRAL:

JupiterXV:

iso looks surprisingly good despite the number of filler/joke posts. every post engaging with the game looks pretty reasonable to me. might just be biased though since we seem to share some reads so bleh.

fireisredsir:

i got absolutely nothing here. post more imo.

JacksonVirgo:

same as above

Purplemango:

same as above times two. please post, people.

TOWN-ISH:

Jake The Wolfie:

i find his (thus far) non-contributing posting style irritating but i think he looks more like town playing his own game and keeping his cards hidden while not caring if he's annoying anyone, than scum just trying to be unhelpful.

Black:

hasn't said all that much yet but all her posts look good to me. every post after RVS have been pretty solid questions that look like sincere attempts to poke reactions out of them to read them better. also she went for me in RVS which is great because i love attention. heavily biased townread.

Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.

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I think that the read on Kay is weird and that none of Kay's behavior thus far has been strictly alignment-indicative, and the fact that they think Jake could be town for doing nothing at all but thinking that I'm neutral for also doing nothing is strange.

The reads definitely feel a little forced, like she made them only because I told her to. I actually think this is NAI because it's so early into the game; townies would perhaps not hesitate to say that they don't have conclusive reads, but just as likely they would force some reads because it's pro-town behavior.

On the other hand, I buy JacksonVirgo's newbcard argument more. halfasleep has definitely been posting in a way that's different than what would be expected from a newbie and it feels off

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Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.

you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.

?????????????????????????
VOTE: halfasleep
You do not need to die on this hill lmao

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calling these jokey-ass posts 'appeals to emotion' (i assume that's what we mean here) just looks like scum opportunism tbh. would town really take these seriously?

ok well i guess i'd define opportunism in the context of this game as

scum looking for excuses in town-players posts to pretend to scumread them

for. obviously it's hard to sort that from just 'opinion i disagree with' it's just

based on how real the thought process looks to me

. you could just say i'm wrong without rudely suggesting i don't understand the words i'm using.

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honestly a mainly vibes-based read but tbh the vibes are off. a high-handed attitude, 'scumreading' players based on jokes or failing arbitrary tests, gives the impression that he wants to steer the direction of the game but

none of his thoughts look real to me

sorry.

Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.

sorry i'm struggling to see how you'd misread these posts as just calling your reads bad. i've been clear multiple times about how your posts look to me and i don't think it's crazy of me to conclude that you're deliberately ignoring what i'm actually saying. i don't think you're being honest in the way you're engaging with me here and i'm sorry if that's tilting you i guess.

I did not misread the posts. You clearly implied that my read was bad. Your entire argument was based on the fact that you think that the posts I pointed out were not deserving of a scumread. If you do not agree on that premise that my read was bad your entire argument literally falls apart. I am not deliberately ignoring what you are saying and you need to stop saying that, it’s not healthy for discussion and it’s annoying me. That said, I cannot attack your reasoning that my read seemed not genuine without first addressing the underlying assumption that the read was bad. Also, my post was most definitely not opportunist in any way. I was not taking advantage of the opportunity that the AtE gave me, I was simply trying to move discussion to a more productive place by making the best read I could come up with on the spot. The entire thing with making you post reads is to show how difficult is it to make a good early read and the importance of not accusing the first read that comes up of being scum trying to “steer” and rather as a chance to get out of RVS.

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To rephrase: I do believe in my read on Jupiter in the sense that there’s little else to base my reads on.

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Or rather, I did believe because there was little else

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Yeah I don’t have anything else to add that is of value.
UNVOTE: halfasleep

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(still e-1)

What are you talking about?

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What are your (@everyone) thoughts on jake noting that halfasleep was on e-1 but not unvoting

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Don't worry, no one will get mad if you scumread me <3

Since that was too subtle, I am specifically asking you why you think halfasleep is scum

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VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

If that is an unsatisfactory response, you have the authority to execute me now.

get some help

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The 3P color about to be red when my axe meets their neck

VOTE: Jack The Wolfie

People finally scumread me. I was scared there for a little bit.

Why were you scared

VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

If that is an unsatisfactory response, you have the authority to execute me now.

Can we fade this

UNVOTE:

I'm down to fade Jake but not yet

These posts in particular feel scum-indicative and fake. She can disagree with this assessment, but it feels like her scum case against me is built out of straws, yet despite this she is willing to axe me.

I think your entire argument makes no sense. Black was saying that she wanted to hang you but just not yet and I do not understand how anyone can interpret that differently.

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also FINALLY a place wheree people understand me when i say "meta bad"

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Jake: made a weird self-vote thing and then started trying to divert to others. First to Black and then with

Sleepy, let's move away from my favorite topic to discuss (me) and talk about other people.

What do you think of Jupiter / Ming's responses to my actions?

He's really acting like it was something of a mass RT which I don't really see the point of at this stage.

I don't like Jupiter's reaction to it. He is way too confident from the very beginning that Jake was scum for the self-vote, and for what reason? Because it's a bad play?

there's no way that jake's on site for five years and has mafia knowledge YET PLAYS LIKE THIS AS TOWN???

The point of a scumtell is to differentiate between scum and town. Bad gameplay in no way does this: it comes from both town and scum and it is completely NAI and I do not get why he is so confident about this.

“It’s astounding they’ve been on the site with this towngame”

Paraphrased. This wording and yours seems to show to me that your assumption is that they’re town. Which would be the perspective slip in question.

I know what you meant to say, a slip is a slip.

How did you interpret that as a slip? I interpreted it more as "It is impossible that Jake [...] plays like this as town." The slip interpretation seems like a stretch and I lowkey doubt Jupiter's novice enough to make a mistake like that.

Anyway I think I agree that Jupiter seems off but I think a lot of people are thinking that for the wrong reasons. I think both selfvotes in and of themselves were NAI but both follow-ups to those self-votes were scummy.

I don't really want to further look at this situation (I'll come back to in in like 2-3 days) and so I want to put the people who were possibly, in Black's words "nudging", in closer scrutiny: Black, fireisred, halfasleep. I also feel like little has been discussed about those people in particular so that might be good.

Other comments:

Purplemango please show up or else

Anyways I have no idea who I'm voting right now so VOTE: awesomeming327 [/uv]awesomeming327[/uv]

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Ok UNVOTE: awesomeming327

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Quickly skimmed over the last few pages, and my overall thoughts are that all three of the people I mentioned above are towny, particularly halfasleep, who has seemed especially analytic (rather than popcorning)

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pagetop

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amongus

Jake locktown

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im just waiting for replacements lol i have no extra thoughts

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black fireisred and halfasleep are all town to me
i dont want to think about purple right now and kjq seems too underwhelming to be scum
so you might actly be right

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On a reread, I guess I see a difference.
Primarily, Purple tends to be asking questions of other people in an attempt to read people, which on a reread does look like he could genuinely be trying to solve.

ming makes "solving" statements like the below:

Hot take Purplemango scum

gamers do yall think jake voting purple is scum-motivated or not

The comment before the vote makes it seem like an excuse for jumping on a bus (that was only 2 votes at the time, so not even a bus)

Bad answer
VOTE: KayJayQueue

The correct answer is:
3rd vote scum theorem

oops
anyway jupiter is scum

stop ateing

But it takes him a while to actually elaborate on any of this, which on a reread makes me question this slot more, as these hard stances are rarely explained it feels like, making them easier to explain away later?

That was RVS FeelsOkayMan

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I do not specifically count how many RVS votes I make. What's your point?

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but my solve aint silly

You're way too confident about your solve, almost to the point of it being TMI. Why are you lockclearing people halfway into D1?

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good for you

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stop ateing

wait ming is your sr on me fr because i assumed you were joking

Bad morning

VOTE: JupiterXV

for unnecessary AtE

ming would i be right in thinking this is where you left RVS, then?

spot on!

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tr: jackson halfasleep

tl: fire Kay

rest im not too sure about

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consider the following: stop tunneling

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@Gimli: From your earliest read on me in Page 43 the impression I got is that you found one post from me that you disliked and immediately started fitting everything else to fit that scumread. You're making so many assumptions about my behavior and motivation (see post 1061) that it means absolutely nothing. You're reading me under the assumption that I'm scum and that's what's causing you to dislike everything I say.

I do think ming is scum. this return to the thread was an empty shell, no thoughts no effort no nothing.

Powerwolves exist, and so do low-effort townies. You can't just point at an action and call it scummy; that's not how it works.

51 pages into d1, how is that 'halfway'? there are completed games with half this amount of pages

this feels disingenuous.

See what I mean? You're literally arguing about semantics at this point, and just to further your scumcase on me. Maybe you should stop feeling and start thinking because your feelings are so off the mark, and maybe you should explain why exactly you have 3 lockclears. Halfway or not into d1, I do not care. Having three lockclears this early comes from the kind of confidence an informed person has.

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you can claim, ming.

vt

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pagetop

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the better question is, why are you ignoring me?

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the better question is, why are you ignoring me?

you said nothing worth responding, I feel

if you need time to work in the game i can unvote or whatever. otherwise I'm fine flipping you and I think it's the best course of action here.

I think I said a lot of things worth responding to and I'm gonna have to ask others to respond in lieu of you

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from my experience, if a mango is purple then it would be best not to eat it.

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They’re not even voting for self pres. Get your votes off this duude

i forgor VOTE: Gimli

e-1 vs e-1 with a coaster as tiebreaker is a truly a sight to behold
i had no idea this kind of thing could happen outside of lylo

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is too silly to be wolf a thing

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They’re not even voting for self pres. Get your votes off this duude

i forgor VOTE: Gimli

e-1 vs e-1 with a coaster as tiebreaker is a truly a sight to behold
i had no idea this kind of thing could happen outside of lylo

This post felt like pure self preservation rather than attempting to vote scum.

What? If I were given a choice between me (who I know is town) and someone else (regardless of my read on them) I'd pick the someone else because they always have a greater probability of being scum than I am?

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genuinely no idea how to sort between purple/ming but i think it's exactly one of them

well that's awkward since I townread purple

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halfasleep/fireisred seems like a pretty real scumteam

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halfasleep seemed kinda agenda-y with the kinda frozen sr on me throughout d1 and then half of d2 and then the unvote just now because she realized she wasn't going anywhere with that lol. The push on me kind of just died...in a very abrupt way I must say. Thom is still holding onto the scumread on me which is interesting. Don't see this as particularly paired with halfalseep

Jackson and Kay are also not paired.

I actually think purplemango is reasonably towny.

I don't really understand why fireisred is so universally townread but oh well. 2 from {jackson/kay, halfasleep/thom, fireisred}
jackson and fireisred judgement call YEP

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in my experience the people most passionately pushing mislims d1 are town
henceforth,

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purple is town lol

fireisred into thomith wins

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purple is town lol

fireisred into thomith wins

Can you give me the reasons purple is town?

no

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Balls

Yeah idk what I was doing most of the game