Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Metal Sonic]

Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

vote npau

[Josh_B]

Searching for a replacement for Zebulin.

Gosh you people stink. I should change the name of the thread to Making friends and Replacements.

Speaking of replacements, Our replacements Ucitron and hephestus need prods.

[Josh_B]

NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
Huntress
Goodmorning again
and Now
Mala

On top of that, they are nearly

all without player engagement.

I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?

I don't see a problem with vote changes, especially in the beginning of the game, when you are trying to figure out who is scum among the many.
My vote on Huntress was a gut thing. I felt like she was mainly cruising through the game being neutral. She had no vote so I voted her to see how she would respond. She didn't really respond but I was back at arguing with BBT before I could follow up on it

You never really followed up with BBT though either. re: 228 Can you say why you think BBT is townish?

[goodmorning]

Technical difficulties, please hold.

[hephaestus]

Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

vote npau

Just as I was getting confident you're town

[Scripten]

Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

vote npau

Just as I was getting confident you're town

I agree that 450 is pretty scummy. Why don't you explain why? I wanna know if our reasons coincide.

[Malakittens]

Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy. It's like its your mission to go ahead and discredit anything I said. I am likely not going to use meta to sort you, but I'm just saying that you are going into the same mindset that you did in the newbie, flat out. It still doesn't make sense from either alignment for you to do this. I'm trying to follow what you are thinking in your head and it's just not working.

P.S. I never said that. I'm just saying that I rely on gut for Day 1. I don't see how I said I'm really bad at Day 1 by saying I'm relying on gut/past meta-experience for reads. You are just trying to twist something to your adv and I don't like it.

Holy shit, how are you going to determine my alignment if not with meta?

I told you what I was thinking.

I questioned you. I was seriously dissatisfied with your answers. I voted you.

What part don't you follow?

Also, I hate it when one of my other scum-reads joins my wagon.

Patience my grasshopper~

Yes and I told you how I was feeling and you felt the need to discredit all of those things because you don't see it my way. Not to mention when one person says that he doesn't see it your way you felt the need to attack him too.

Yeah I always hate that too. (OMG we have something in common )

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

I really wish Hephaestus would contribute more so I can get a firmer read on him. That goes for uct too since I have a lot of experience and have a greater shot at reading him than Hephaestus.

There's one thing that bugs me about Hephaestus, but makes me wonder if he was prodded or beetle juiced into the thread.

[hephaestus]

*cue performance anxiety*

he already said it himself though

And he is easier to kill than goodmorning

in other words it's opportunistic as hell and discredits his whole push on goodmorning if you ask me

not to mention he doesn't actually explain his read

@Mala: tbh yes I have been lurking sorta, because I'm still struggling to form reads on most players and whenever i've tried to post I found I didn't actually have anything useful to say

[Malakittens]

Anything is better then being silent. In fact silence makes you look guiltier

[hephaestus]

I know

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes and I told you how I was feeling and you felt the need to discredit all of those things because you don't see it my way. Not to mention when one person says that he doesn't see it your way you felt the need to attack him too.

Yeah I always hate that too. (OMG we have something in common )

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

It has nothing to do with you not seeing it my way. Your answers were simply not good enough.

@Bold - You're doing it again! Saying MS is scummy, giving yourself an opportunity to jump on his wagon without actually doing anything/contributing any original thoughts.

What do people mean when they keep saying 'beetle juiced'?

[Scripten]

What do people mean when they keep saying 'beetle juiced'?

BBT, you're not posting in the thread.

BBT, why are you lurking?

BBT, come back to us!

*BBT appears*
[/goofing off]

[Josh_B]

oh, I get it now too.
If I say your name three time in the thread, you appear.
Why is it beetlejuice, and not candyman, or bloodymary?

[hephaestus]

Hmm, Josh why are you voting Peabody?

[Huntress]

This is just a prod dodge. I probably won't be able to post until tomorrow afternoon (or rather, this afternoon as it's past midnight now).

[beastcharizard]

davesaz replaces Zebulin!

Also gonna prod people.

[Shinobi]

Npau, why is it that you think it's bad that Mala doesn't have a serious vote down but you've completely ignored the fact that I haven't either?

[Josh_B]

Hmm, Josh why are you voting Peabody?

I'd explain it to you but it's really null now that Zeb isn't here.

.....Peabody.......

might be scum

[Malakittens]

Yes and I told you how I was feeling and you felt the need to discredit all of those things because you don't see it my way. Not to mention when one person says that he doesn't see it your way you felt the need to attack him too.

Yeah I always hate that too. (OMG we have something in common )

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

It has nothing to do with you not seeing it my way. Your answers were simply not good enough.

@Bold - You're doing it again! Saying MS is scummy, giving yourself an opportunity to jump on his wagon without actually doing anything/contributing any original thoughts.

What do people mean when they keep saying 'beetle juiced'?

I don't think my answers would have never been good enough for you.

Lolnope.

oh, I get it now too.
If I say your name three time in the thread, you appear.
Why is it beetlejuice, and not candyman, or bloodymary?

It should be called "Comes when called".

Npau, why is it that you think it's bad that Mala doesn't have a serious vote down but you've completely ignored the fact that I haven't either?

Because I'm a hell of a lot easier to lynch than you are at this point in time.

[Scripten]

in other words it's opportunistic as hell and discredits his whole push on goodmorning if you ask me

This is a neat point. Could be a MS/GM scumteam. Pushing failed wagons can give scumbuddies town cred. Something to consider later on.

[Shinobi]

Because I'm a hell of a lot easier to lynch than you are at this point in time.

A recurring theme which I find hilarious.

[davesaz]

Howdy folks, reading in.

[uctriton00]

Back

Zeb (but he's replaced) is town. He saw the partner "slip" (which in my opinion is not a scum slip, but a slip of trying to be funny in his post style) from Metal. In my opinion, that was an attempt at a scum hunt.
Mala's attempt at trying to meta someone well enough (I think Mala goes into meta during the past few pages) is enough of a town read for me.
Toffee is also town. There was a part where he was into it against Metal Sonic, but I've seen enough town v town arguments, to where you notice how they break down, because two townies realize they're butting heads with each other.

Shinobi's reactions to Toffee are scummy. Especially hist post 70 (sorry I don't have time to do linking ATM, I just got back and I need to get to bed soon).

I have a read on Metal Sonic, but I need to ask goodmorning something because I don't want to influence what she says:
goodmorning, what is your read on Metal Sonic? As in, what is your reading of him right now at this point in the game (town/scum, smart/annoying, clever/daft, etc).

[davesaz]

OK, I've done quite a bit of reading. It doesn't feel the same as it would in real time, so I don't trust it as much. It's also very instructive to see if / how other players change their interaction with a slot when a new player comes in. So I won't go on a big quoting binge right now, just some preliminary reads based on the gestalt.

First off, don't want to let my predecessor's vote sit there, whatever it might be. If I think it's valid I can always put it back.
UNVOTE:

The way Mala explains her early game methodology seems genuine. It's the type of thing that would be hard to lie about. However it's also an easy out for scum, so this is not necessarily alignment indicative. I'd approach reading this type of player by seeing if her meta reads seem to match up with the content itself. Null for now, I think.

I don't trust myself to read BBT without some VCA to back it up. And then maybe not even then. His play style so far matches the other game we've been in together, and I had a hard time reading him there. Firm null till I can see some additional interaction.

Scripten was also in that same game. I totally read him wrong, but in hindsight it was more about not looking closely enough than being fooled per se. His questions and answers have seemed fairly reasonable. Very mild town read so far, but keeping my eye on him.

MS's play style in the early game would bug me to no end. Thank goodness I wasn't here to respond to it in real time. I'll reserve judgment on the read.

I got a weak scum on Shinobi, but it wasn't due to the interaction with BBT. As I said at the beginning of this post, it's really just the totality of the thread to date.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah ms has been pinging for a while.

This is the first time you scum-read MS, despite showing no previous inclination of this read even though he had apparently been 'pinging for a while', and you have yet to provide a valid explanation for this post to date.

Looking at ms post everyone is quoting I think I see what you guys are seeing as scummy there.

Here is the second time. So, you still think MS is scummy and you've still done

absolutely nothing

about it.

As I said, you're just lining yourself up to be able to jump on his wagon, should it take off. You have provided no original thoughts/content on MS despite scum-reading him from 160 (even earlier with relation to your comment). You just make generic comments and sheep other people's thoughts.