Open 592: Matrix14 (Game Over, Town Wins)

pisskop · Post Post #325 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:43 am

In post 310, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 297, pisskop wrote:

In post 284, Alexcellent wrote:
It seems like not a fantastic place or reason to vote. I don't see town reasoning behind it. And I'm not a fan of WW's naked vote entrance into the game.

Do you see scum motivation behind it?
. What's your opinion of Wisdom?

Behind Diego's vote or WW's naked vote? Both votes I consider to be anti-town at the very least. Diego's vote on Pops was never going to lead anywhere, it feels like it could have just been an attempt to make it seem like he's pressuring someone when he actually wasn't. And WW's apparent refusal to provide insight or information isn't town in my book.

Wisdom is hard to read. Weird approach to the game if he's scum; he's striking me probably more as town, just with an incorrect read.

I find WW's refusal to play silly, not scummy. There are players who do this regularly. I'd wait to see how people keep reacting to him before I push him.

pisskop · Post Post #326 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:45 am

In post 323, davesaz wrote:Does WW's mysterious townieness make up for previous issues with the slot?

Are you talking to anyone in particular?
. I'm wary of the slot, but not willing to say its scummy yet.

Wisdom · Post Post #327 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:57 am

VOTE: zeb

vettrock · Post Post #328 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:10 am

Official Vote Count

Zebulin

(4): Elyse, Count Dooku, pisskop, Wisdom

Alexcellent

(3): ika, Hostile Intent, Whomping Willow

Whomping Willow

(3): Tamika, Alexcellent, davesaz

Elyse

(1): Zebulin

davesaz

(1): Alchemist21

Wisdom

(1): popsofctown

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-02 14:27:00)

Zebulin · Post Post #329 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:34 pm

In post 327, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: zeb

Reason?

Pisskop, you have a point on chainsaw defense, but just because something is a good move as scum doesn't mean it shouldn't be done as town. I didn't post a definition of strawman becuase you can google it in 5 seconds if you don't know.

"A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument." There you go.

ISO'd everyone. VOTE: Whomping Willow
I'm not sure what you're all talking about on this guy's legendary towniness, he hasn't even tried to explain anything.
Elyse is more town then I realy gave her credit for on tone of voice.

Wisdom · Post Post #330 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:35 pm

im townreading ww, doubting my alex scumread, not townreading you, therefore a vote on you is a good vote

Wisdom · Post Post #331 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:40 pm

In post 329, Zebulin wrote:I'm not sure what you're all talking about on this guy's legendary towniness, he hasn't even tried to explain anything.

And? Whoever doesn't play like town

should

play is automatically scum?

Whomping Willow · Post Post #332 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:43 pm

VOTE: Zebulin

Zebulin · Post Post #333 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:56 pm

In post 311, Elyse wrote:
In post 309, Zebulin wrote:
In post 307, Elyse wrote:Ok what were you paraphrasing specifically

Why I thought the argument between you and HI turned TvM.

Ok I'm not trying to be annoying and drag this out so sorry in advance but you've never mentioned tone or anything like it. So when you used the word "tone" to paraphrase something, what specifically were you paraphrasing? I'm looking for a quote from you because I don't know what you're talking about and I think you're saying something you never said.

The general conversation, not anything specific.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #334 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:13 pm

In post 329, Zebulin wrote:
In post 327, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: zeb

Reason?

Pisskop, you have a point on chainsaw defense, but just because something is a good move as scum doesn't mean it shouldn't be done as town. I didn't post a definition of strawman becuase you can google it in 5 seconds if you don't know.

"A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument." There you go.

ISO'd everyone. VOTE: Whomping Willow
I'm not sure what you're all talking about on this guy's legendary towniness, he hasn't even tried to explain anything.
Elyse is more town then I realy gave her credit for on tone of voice.

In post 332, Whomping Willow wrote:VOTE: Zebulin

I never understood his Towniness in open 584 either, yet quite a few people had strong townreads on him. They turned out t be right. I'm really hoping these quoted posts don't turn into a repeat of that game.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #335 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:14 pm

And @WW, if you're really gonna go down this tunnel, please give at least some reasons instead of spamming the rainbow font again.

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Whomping Willow · Post Post #337 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:19 pm

Hi Alchemist.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #338 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:22 pm

Hostile Intent · Post Post #339 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:01 pm

Okay, that's expiring now.

Willow, what the fuck are you doing?

Whomping Willow · Post Post #340 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:08 pm

In post 338, Alchemist21 wrote:Hi.

So how's things?

In post 339, Hostile Intent wrote:Okay, that's expiring now.

Willow, what the fuck are you doing?

I don't know babe, sometimes I feel like I'm just whomping to turn people away, because I'm scared I'll get hurt if they see the real me and don't like it, y'know

Whomping Willow · Post Post #341 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:10 pm

Maybe I should be, Welcoming Willow?

pisskop · Post Post #342 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:26 pm

pisskop · Post Post #343 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:28 pm

You should adopt a shtick that contributes

pisskop · Post Post #344 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:02 pm

In post 329, Zebulin wrote:Pisskop, you have a point on chainsaw defense, but just because something is a good move as scum doesn't mean it shouldn't be done as town. I didn't post a definition of strawman becuase you can google it in 5 seconds if you don't know.

1) You were defending HI though?

2) That's not a complete definition of strawman though.

"A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument." There you go.

That's wikipedia's first sentence on it. The rest of that introduction goes on to describe how there must be an attack. What you did was closer to a strawman than what Ely did.

In post 140, davesaz wrote:My opinion, it is too early.

Dave's response didn't seem to indicate that he thought it was an attack. In fact, he calls Ely town in 235 and tells her she's too stuck on HI in 232. He seems to stay out of that debate otherwise.

Count Dooku · Post Post #345 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:14 pm

In post 303, Zebulin wrote:
In post 302, Count Dooku wrote:
In post 300, Zebulin wrote:I already had when I was debating with Elyse. It was tone of conversation.

...

In post 128, Zebulin wrote:HI vs Elyse is probably town versus town.
And then in your next post:

In post 138, Zebulin wrote:Scumreads: Elyse
You said:

In post 148, Zebulin wrote:The argument seemed town when I posted it seemed town, but as it went on it reminded me more of TvM.
Alchemist asked you what changed your read on her:

In post 163, Alchemist21 wrote:133 was the only post concerning their argument in between your 128 and 139, the former being where you called it Town v Town and the latter being Town v scum. What in that post changed your read on Elyse?
Your "answer":

In post 164, Zebulin wrote:Misrep after misrep after misrep.
Alchemist said:

In post 168, Alchemist21 wrote:I want you to go back and point to the specific parts that caused your read to change.
Then you pointed out the misreps that Elyse made. Is that an answer? You went back and told us what made you change your mind? No.
Did you say that you scumread Elyse because of those misreps? No, and I don't even know if you actually scumread her because of those misreps...
I mean even if they indeed made you change your mind, I won't buy that that your townread on her changed to scumread only because of those misreps (they are misreps according to you).
If you scumread her because of something else, you should tell us, because you only pointed out her misreps, nothing else.
Btw, as I said, I don't really understand what you said there. I mean you said "Misrep after misrep after misrep." What is misrep? Misrep is what Alchemist did in post 163? Or misrep is the answer to his question? ("What in that post changed your read on Elyse?")

YES I scumread Elyse because of those misreps. I pointed out the bad argument in post 138, which you didn't quote. MY READ ON ELYSE CHANGED. It became a scumread because of the misreps. That's what caused my read to change. You're saying my logic is faulty, and the only thing I see wrong is not explaining every detail of my inner thoughts.

Nice, at least I understand what you meant...
My opinion didn't change. I won't buy that your read changed on her only because of those "misreps".

vettrock · Post Post #346 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:07 am

Official Vote Count

Zebulin

(5): Elyse, Count Dooku, pisskop, Wisdom, Whomping Willow

Whomping Willow

(4): Tamika, Alexcellent, davesaz, Zebulin

Alexcellent

(2): ika, Hostile Intent

davesaz

(1): Alchemist21

Wisdom

(1): popsofctown

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-02 14:27:00)

Hostile Intent · Post Post #347 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:16 am

Whomp, I can appreciate that you're just having a good time, but early D1 isn't the time for that when your slot hasn't done snot else. Pick your game up.

Zebulin, provide us a reads list, please.

ika · Post Post #348 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:30 am

honestly we just had a game where WW did the same exact thign and eh was scum.....

if im moving vote its going on WW first unless if someone can give me a good reason not to (although i would like shinty hamer)

Hostile Intent · Post Post #349 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:33 am

Yeah, I gave him the benefit of the doubt too much there. I feel foolish having done so.

I'm currently ISO'ing folks, but honestly I still feel like Alexcellent isn't a bad choice.

His returning post will probably be the deciding factor for me.