Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[Flubbernugget]

Vengful maf w/e

[CB]

Typically the way I read hydras is on how they interact with each. Mafia hydras are more likely to agree with each other since they know everyone's alignment and they both know who they need to push on for mislynches.
While town hydras there will be more conflict on who to push on since it is very rare for two town to have reads that line up.

So they both push on Wanderer. Wanderer comes up with a towny post and then they both back off right away. When one makes a push the other calls that push really well done.

fact check: they did not both push wanderer.
(as an aside: part of having good chemistry in a hydra is knowing when to trust each other)

Clarifing and defending a push is pretty much the same as pushing in my eyes.

totally not tth's issue. she has a problem with your reads. not... whatever you're talking about something about figuring out how to play the game.

she's already been over this... the logic chain isn't particularly hard to follow either.

wanderer takes up a lot of space w/ theory and the reads are superficially OK looking but they're limited to the ppl most talked about and they're limited to only 2 ppl. and it's not like wanderer is a completely clueless newb either.

wanderer CAN scumhunt but won't scumhunt. why? tth is saying it's b/c wanderer is scum and she might be right.

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Side note to CB: I'm going to go ahead and brag

a little bit

OK, I'm going to brag a lot and say you don't get a record like ours by being hopelessly dissonant. Click into our wiki sometime to see what I mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartless Couldn't find it.

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To expound a bit, we'll quite probably be losing pablito at some point (if we don't, he'll definitely get a scummy nomination from me).

Town slip maybe? I feel mafia would be more aware of vengefuls and their role.

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I'm going to try to ask some questions and put forth some ideas for discussion soon. In the meanwhile, everyone please post your 2-4 strongest town reads right now with reasons why. Most people have done so, but not everyone. These lists may have changed as well over time. Based on these lists of town-reads, I'll expand my "will not shoot D3" list to coincide with my own choices for town reads as well.

I have likes Wanderer for a while. Her posting seems honest to me. She is willing to admit to things scum normally wouldn't. I feel her reconsideration of Enomis is towny I don't think scum would do that I feel like they would just keep pushing.
I like West9 as well almost everyone of his posts has been pushes to determine people's alignment. I really like his push on Vonflare it made a lot of sense to me. He is actually scumhunting in a game were most people are too lazy to.

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Referenda 2.1

That those listed as likely to be town by Nachomomma8 (due to searching of town tells), should not be shot. These players include: CB, pablito, wanderer-nl, Heartless, RedCoyote. Furthermore, RC asks for those on the list to pledge to not shoot the others on the list as well.
YEA: RedCoyote, Heartless, wanderer-nl(?), West9
NAY: MaxwellPuckett (not the ppl listed at least)
Deferred: CB, Flubbernugget, julienvonflare, Jeanne11, Perpetual Nonsense*
Ignored: millar13, Lucky2u, enomis, Feirei, vonflare

*Deferred being players who made some type of mention of stating they did not have the time to post or acknowledged the subject but did not vote.
**Ignored being players who completely did not make any type of comment on the post, but still posted something that wasn't a prodge.

So I have never played with Nacho so I do not know his ability and I am not going to blindly trust a player that I have never played with before. Right now the only person who has spoken for his ability is RC who if scum has a lot of motivation to push for it. I am just not seeing the difference between Nacho's do not shoot list and the do not shoot list of every gun bearer who will be a confirmed town that comes after him. So I right now I am saying

NAY

. It is a winning strategy but it is predicated on if Nacho is right on the other three people and I don't think I am willing to commit to that.

[pablito]

@pablito I like the idea but when we start hitting vengeful townies there's a problem with it

A good, near-confirmed town in exchange for a vengeful is a necessary sacrifice to make. If the game is now 9 vs. 3 (with 4 neutral-consequence shots), then let's keep making that risk.

[pablito]

Please keep answering any back-logged questions I have for you guys.

I am announcing that the following are being taken off my list and I will probably not shoot them during this day phase.

CB, wanderer-nl, Heartless, RedCoyote - For this DP, I'm honoring the compact and I would only shoot one of them if two vengeful are gone. I'm not guaranteeing that they're all town though. I just don't think the focus should be there.

jeanne11, julienvonwolfe - If there's a replacement, I don't think it's smart to make a shot until everything settles.

Those that I am still considering to shoot:
enomis, Feirei, Flubbernugget, Lucky2u, MaxwellPuckett, millar13, Perpetual Nonsense, vonflare, West9

Everyone please nominate 1-3 people I should add to my shortlist. I plan on releasing a shortlist of 2-4 in the next few days. So if you have a strong case on someone that I might have been blind to, please let me know right now.

Also for those that have not given me their top town choices, please do so now.

Also for those that have not answered Referendum 2.1, please do so.

That those listed as likely to be town by Nachomomma8 (due to searching of town tells), should not be shot. These players include: CB, pablito, wanderer-nl, Heartless, RedCoyote. Furthermore, RC asks for those on the list to pledge to not shoot the others on the list as well.
YEA: RedCoyote, Heartless, wanderer-nl(?), West9
NAY: MaxwellPuckett, CB (not the ppl listed at least)
Deferred: Flubbernugget, julienvonflare, Jeanne11, Perpetual Nonsense*
Ignored: millar13, Lucky2u, ENOMIS, Feirei, vonflare

*Deferred being players who made some type of mention of stating they did not have the time to post or acknowledged the subject but did not vote.
**Ignored being players who completely did not make any type of comment on the post, but still posted something that wasn't a prodge.

[pablito]

Side note to CB: I'm going to go ahead and brag

a little bit

OK, I'm going to brag a lot and say you don't get a record like ours by being hopelessly dissonant. Click into our wiki sometime to see what I mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartless Couldn't find it.

There's a mafiascum wiki. Here's Heartless http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Heartless

[enomis]

^^ I don't know what u want. But if you ask me to pick 3 person from your list, i will pick Nonsense, millar and Lucky to shoot.

[West9]

Quick post to answer pablito's questions:

I know that I have boring townreads, but I've gotten the most genuine scumhunt-y feeling from CB, RC, and Heartless. Like I said, I wouldn't shoot them.

Top scumreads are Vonflare and PN.

[Lucky2u]

I'm like on everyone's list and can't get shot. What's the deal folks?

[RedCoyote]

Those that I am still considering to shoot:
enomis, Feirei, Flubbernugget, Lucky2u, MaxwellPuckett, millar13, Perpetual Nonsense, vonflare, West9

Everyone please nominate 1-3 people I should add to my shortlist. I plan on releasing a shortlist of 2-4 in the next few days. So if you have a strong case on someone that I might have been blind to, please let me know right now.

Nominate people to add, specifically? Well, the only person I would add is julien. I don't see how a replacement will get me to change my mind about that slot. Heck, you've got 50+% of the player list up there, yeah? Do you want me to help narrow it down for you with my top three?

Flubber, julien and PN would be my top three. Nothing I've seen has really moved me off of that. I'm satisfied with any of those people in your list getting shot, however.

Actually, scratch that, I'd probably take Max out. I think he's been very consistent over the course of this game, whereas I think as scum he may mold his opinion to fit with whichever person held the gun at the time. Max's consistency tells me he's genuinely interested in finding new information to help him scumhunt more accurately. I'd also probably take Lucky out. Hell, Lucky and millar both sound like they're just biding their time until they can get the gun. I personally wouldn't take the chance on those two (plus Jeanne).

[Flubbernugget]

I'm not opposed to pablito's actions right now but I do want to note that the emphasis on town reads makes it feel like obvscum is flying under the radar

[Heartless]

Such as?

[Heartless]

I think the best shots are Perpetual Nonsense and julien.

[West9]

Yes even the mafia, even if its less so than the town. Making the mafia vote like pablito was pushing for made them act in a pro-town manner because it gave town more information to find them with.

Sorry to respond to a question with a question, but: You mean the way he's making them vote as gunbearer?

[pablito]

Those that I am still considering to shoot:
enomis, Feirei, Flubbernugget, Lucky2u, MaxwellPuckett, millar13, Perpetual Nonsense, vonflare, West9

Everyone please nominate 1-3 people I should add to my shortlist. I plan on releasing a shortlist of 2-4 in the next few days. So if you have a strong case on someone that I might have been blind to, please let me know right now.

Nominate people to add, specifically? Well, the only person I would add is julien. I don't see how a replacement will get me to change my mind about that slot. Heck, you've got 50+% of the player list up there, yeah? Do you want me to help narrow it down for you with my top three?

Flubber, julien and PN would be my top three. Nothing I've seen has really moved me off of that. I'm satisfied with any of those people in your list getting shot, however.

Actually, scratch that, I'd probably take Max out. I think he's been very consistent over the course of this game, whereas I think as scum he may mold his opinion to fit with whichever person held the gun at the time. Max's consistency tells me he's genuinely interested in finding new information to help him scumhunt more accurately. I'd also probably take Lucky out. Hell, Lucky and millar both sound like they're just biding their time until they can get the gun. I personally wouldn't take the chance on those two (plus Jeanne).

Nah, I'm not shooting julien. Take that one out and you have nominated 2 people. I'm saying of the list of 9 players, whom you would want on my shortlist. So Right now, I'm assuming you want Flubber and PN.

Also @Heartless, I'm not shooting julien. So right now that means you're only nominating PN to be shot. You okay with that or would you rather give an extra name as well?

@enomis you answered the question correctly. Did you want to give any reasons?

@Lucky2u - can you contribute something that is not about you? I'm ready to shoot you right now for that exact reason.

[Flubbernugget]

Such as?

I'm floored that vonflare hasn't been shot yet

[MaxwellPuckett]

Vonflare and PN are good shots, as has been said ad nauseam. I don't think West should be in that list though, same with Enomis.

[Flubbernugget]

Okay well something wrong if good shots haven't been shot yet.

Part of me says lets try to break the game and part of me says fucking shoot obvscum

[vonflare]

Such as?

I'm floored that vonflare hasn't been shot yet

y u gotta be liek that

[Flubbernugget]

Because of posts like that

[Flubbernugget]

Yes even the mafia, even if its less so than the town. Making the mafia vote like pablito was pushing for made them act in a pro-town manner because it gave town more information to find them with.

Sorry to respond to a question with a question, but: You mean the way he's making them vote as gunbearer?

Even before he was a gunbearer

[enomis]

You can say gut for PN and millar.

But i do think Lucky is a goon though. For the reason i stated before.

[ArcAngel9]

Suzune replaces julienvonwolfe. Please welcome her!!!

Jeanne11 have been force replaced. Looking for her replacement!!!

[MaxwellPuckett]

Welcome to the game, Suzune!

Welcome to the game, person who will eventually replace Jeanne!

[RedCoyote]

So Right now, I'm assuming you want Flubber and PN.

Yeah.

Welcome, Suzune!

Good news: I think you are replacing into a town slot!
Bad news: I'm probably the only one that thinks so, lol.

[Suzune]

/confirm

Okay, let me catch up on the game, and then I will help out