Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Not_Mafia]

Yes

[light_ganski]

Official Vote Count 2.2

SnarkySnowman (2)

- Kmd4390, Joshz

Kmd4390 (1)

- Transcend

BK201 (1)

- Io

Rory (1)

- BK201

Not Voting (7)

- Gamma Emerald, Rory, SnarkySnowman, Not_Mafia, culted, Aristophanes, Realeo

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2017-01-04 17:20:51) until deadline.

[Joshz]

My only problem with Joshz is that, "OMG Nobody dies! Rory is no more scum." If the mentality "OMG Nobody dies! Rory seems townier," I can accept that.

I endorse the anti-town question by N_M, although I'm not sure what does "not convinced nn flip means"

i already explicitly said rory is not conftown to me, just that im not lynching him today.

[BK201]

if you think im wrong and im townie then ignore me as it doesnt matter, ive explained my thoughts.

i already explained a bit when transcend asked. ss is largely gut, nn had the same read who is a townie, and i dont believe rory is scum anymore. if you think im completely wrong which most of you seem to then everything i said on rory yesterday stands and you should lynch him because hes scum. however, im not joining you.

You are taking a huge gambit just writing off your biggest scumread.

[Realeo]

Then there is a misunderstanding than, ok.

[BK201]

@Realeo, would you be so kind as to link me a couple of your scum games, and a couple town games? I townread you, but I don't know if that's because English is your second language or not.

You are smarter than I to understand English so well (I've tried to learn Japanese and you're way better at English than I am Japanese, even studying for 2+ years), but I think I townread you because you of the way you present yourself. Just not sure if that's because of the language difference or not.

[BK201]

Yes

No offense, but you are so confusing. Please try to be helpful because I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely trying to help.

[Realeo]

I am an EFL-English as Foreign Language. ESL assumes that I am in a class with the same target language. EFL assumes that I am in a class with the same host language.

The wiki button should lead me to my game. I only have 1 scum game. 4 or 5 Town Game. I haven't update 2 games.

[Realeo]

Yes

No offense, but you are so confusing. Please try to be helpful because I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely trying to help.

Unfortunately, his town meta also consists of Trolling or not helping. The reason I haven't scumread him yet is because he haven't show any stand change yet.

[Not_Mafia]

Yes

No offense, but you are so confusing. Please try to be helpful because I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely trying to help.

nn was in

[Joshz]

?

[Io]

Right now, I think BK is scum.
Problem I have with BK is that as scum he plays really cautious. As in he tries a lot to blend in and he is good at it.
I'll admit the only cause for concern I've seen from him so far is 725 could have just been a subtle attempt to grab small townslip cred.
The only reason I'm not to worried on making a scum read on just that is that in the game I hosted he didn't slip up at all until late game, even then it was brushed over by every one else.
I feel like that was an attempt to solidify an early town read position for him. I'd like to have him taken out now.

VOTE: BK201

I'm flattered, nobody's tried to policy lynch me for being good before. Are you actually this paranoid of me though, I find that a little difficult to believe? Your attempt to policy lynch me is suspicious because I find it hard to believe you're actually paranoid of me. Why go for a policy lynch right now? Do you not have anyone you think is scum? And to be clear you do

not

think I'm scum, you

are

suggesting a policy lynch based off my supposed skill. Turns out I'm pretty good at town too.

Also I wouldn't call forgetting this is multi-ball a town-slip. So it can't even be an attempt at a town-slip. Scum can forget things too. I really don't get why town-IO goes for the policy lynch. It's easier to see scum-IO taking advantage of modding last game with me, in your extensive Mod notes you never implied I was some god at scum, so I don't get how town-IO dropped all scumhunting and goes for policy lynch. Get your shit together if you're town, you seem smarter than this irrationally paranoid character you are all of a sudden portraying.

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Considering the possibility that I was the NK is scummy? By that logic Transcend is scum too but I don't see you mentioning him. That's about as good as your fear-lynch on me.

Io does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting, just tunneling on me and doesn't even have a case/gut on me. It's fear-lynch turned possible conf bias. Or scum being lazy. FOS Io. Would vote you but Rory is still scummier.

At this point it's not even a fear lying. You are actually just being scummy now.
You're just taking my argument and vote and just laughing at it rather than trying to do anything remotely pro town.
You also say Im tunneling but not scum reading. You can't just fence sit like that, fucking call me scum if you're going to do it rather than just ignoring and brushing me off.

Tell me where I laughed at your argument and vote. Tell me that trying to lynch Rory is not remotely pro town. You are tunneling, but town do that too. You weren't scum reading me until I mentioned that I might have been the NK, which I have elaborated as to why I think that is a real possibility, e-peen aside. It's true I find you scummy, 1.) because fear-lynch, 2.) because you ignored Transcend's request for a reads list 3.) and I don't see you scumhunting, (besides me thinking I was the NK), that's all I have seen since you started the fear-lynch day 1. If it wasn't for Rory I would probably be voting you right now, so call that fence-sitting. I call it I have an even scummier scum I'm going to lynch. And based off the above quotes, I did not ignore you or brush you off. Literally everything in your post 845 is wrong and I have proven you wrong, scum.

You're an actually real life piece of shit you know. You're entire interaction with me is just to make my arguments and everything I do sound stupid like I don't know a fucking thing about the game. You cannot be town from this alone since that is the single most anti-town thing you can do to encourage a player to be ignored. If you are actually town you should actually quit this game and let someone with actual skill at arguing without just attaching their opponent.

You make posts like this to just make fun of me and act like i'm just some idiot for scum reading you.

you werent the night kill lmao

transcend is just being el trollito

It's very possible, especially if Rory is scum. Nobody was trying as hard to lynch him as I was. Also with Io trying to fear-lynch me, maybe that intimidated both factions haha.

Then the rest of your post (the one I quoted initially) is just pure bullshit garbage and a flat out lie I was scum reading you yesterday. You're not even a fear lynch anymore, it was a fear suspicion if anything which turns out to have been true since you went full on scummy today. Your arguments for why you would be nightkilled is bullshit if not for the fact that you think I'm scum which I wouldn't kill the one person who I can easily lynch since they are scum. Then the whole you fence sitting is atrociously clear when you even start the post out with fence sitting saying that I'm tunneling you but town can do that too. I know I'm tunneling you, that's because you have not given a single reason for me to believe you could even possibly be town. You don't scum hunt, the scum reads you do form are completely baseless if not ad hoc based on how you just add points to why you think I'm scum, which you still haven't even voted me which makes you extremely disgenuine. Not to mention you're reasons for scum reading me are basically for scum reading you and because you couldn't be bothered to read any of day 1. I already had given my reads I said you were scum and that was the only read I can be 100% confident in right now.

[Transcend]

Holt cow si many wirds

[Transcend]

Snurkey snowmen mebe town guys idk

[SnarkySnowman]

speculating nightkills has a lot of issues obviously but in this setup if you can do it right you can clear town which is huge.

You can't clear someone as town for sure in this game, it just doesn't work.

yea i agree, its just my justification for not tunnelling rory anymore. i think the only other moderately reasonable possibility is both scum targeted me, but a) its p unlikely and b) if scum did then they should realize atp town thinks rory is town and the other team should kill him tonight most likely REGARDLESS, because hes never getting lynched so town or scum is fine. nobody else in this game had much of a reason to be double targeted.

Not the best justification if you thought he was scum, I'll be honest.

VOTE: Rory

pedit: agree. i haven't seen scum!ss before, only lynchbaittown!ss. i don't rely on meta too much though.

I have a few scum games, check my wiki

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Agree he's scum, how he talks about the night kill has me uneasy.

You know, I jokinlgly mentioned about how Io is always lynched Day 2.

VOTE: Io

Maybe he is.

I have been quite confused at how Bk and Io rolls. Bk seems to take the bystander, but his bystander perspective seems working. With Io, not so much...

I will 180 Io later.

That's a strange stance to take imo


Right now, though, I'm willing to sheep Gamma on Transcend, even if it's scum!gamma. Lemme figure out where I want day 2 to go.

[Realeo]

Snurkey snowmen mebe town guys idk

Where does this comes from? Do I miss something?

[Realeo]

Like D1, Realeo maybe lynchbait.

[Transcend]

Iwill check tge wiki when imsobrr i pronis3 im town okplease

[Transcend]

Did u kno he world was sippod ed d to end 4y ears agi today???

[Realeo]

Yes. I know Donald Trump. Why?

[BK201]

Io, you're dismissing all the legitimate points I bring up with your wall of AtE.

You still have not shared your reads, that's twice you ignore that. (once from transcend, once from me)

Day 1 on me was just a fear-lynch, you even said you were okay with "rather just eliminate him now".

I never tried to get people to ignore you, literally where are you getting that from?

I never laughed at you, I was laughing at the possibility of both factions being so afraid of me that they failed to kill me.

So like I said, everything you said in 845 is ridiculous and wrong.

And as I've already said, I'm not voting you because I'm not as sure about you as I am about Rory.

What is so hard to understand? I'm not attacking your character, I'm just playing the game as I always have. I've never had someone be so personally offended, I literally don't even know what I did to you personally.

[BK201]

Transcend, stop trolling right now.

[BK201]

speculating nightkills has a lot of issues obviously but in this setup if you can do it right you can clear town which is huge.

You can't clear someone as town for sure in this game, it just doesn't work.

VOTE: BK

Yeah he's fairly obvious Mafia now especially considering he is now saying he was the night kill.

Agree he's scum, how he talks about the night kill has me uneasy.

You can clear someone as town in this game, just not the way Josh is trying to clear Rory as town.
Mind explaining in more detail why I'm scummy?

[Realeo]

On an unrelated note, I'm not quite sure with kmd...

I look at his iso. Bystander like BK as well, but I don't see hard read like BK.

Hi, Kmd! How you doing?

[BK201]

Rory- All he is doing is defending people, and defending himself. If you defend someone they are more likely to town-read you. He does not seem to be genuinely scumhunting.

Spoiler:

I don't get the Transcend Wagon

I'm not convinced Snarky is scum.

rory u can't be everyone's friend btw

I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

FOS's inactives. This is an easy target,

especially

when he has not FOS basically anyone else besides Gamma.

If you're scum, I'm never townreading you again Transcend.

Scummy because it seems fake/over-dramatic/buddying. Shit he can say precisely because he is scum.

Rory is scum because he has attempted to look town(unlike a troll), but has not genuinely hunted scum. He has posted, but has only defended people. Does not do anything I consider town. ISO him yourself if you're not convinced.