Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Realeo]

That's a very flimsy reason for a read

Now that you mention it, next post is explaining why I TR NM...until now.

[Alisae]

So if someone has concern, I may not address it?

Addressing it is one thing. Saying:

Describe me the ideal Realeo.

@Not_Mafia

What can I do to proof that you're wrong?

Is appeasement

[Not_Mafia]

I'm a dancing cow

[Realeo]

Tell me what you see at this...

VCpls

Hint: It's not just VC request.

I just see a vote request.

If you dig deeper into the Not Mafia iso, you would learn that it's the

only

vote count request that Not_Mafia requested.

And look what happened after it.

Spoiler: Open to look what happened next

VCpls

Official Vote Count 2.7

SnarkySnowman (5)

- Kmd4390, KuroiXHF, Joshz, Aristophanes, havingfitz

BK201 (1)

- culted

Transcend (1)

- Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (1)

- Transcend

havingfitz (1)

- BK201

Not Voting (2)

- SnarkySnowman, Not_Mafia, Realeo

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2017-01-04 17:20:51) until deadline.

VOTE: SS

Let it be going down to POE.

L-1

VOTE: SS

Not_Mafia has a extensive background of lolhammer, regardless of alignment.

The question : Is that a mafia lolhammer or town lolhammer?

Before I answer that, I must ask "What is the charactheristic of mafia lolhammer?"

I may answer,

opportunistic

Part 1 of 2

[Realeo]

So the question I have to ask my self is this. "Why would an opportunistic mafia asks for a VC?" If I am opportunistic, I would just wait for L-1 alert and vapoom!

The fact that he asks for a VC means that NM is

meticulous

NOT

opportunistic

. He is indeed a N_M waiting for the hammer. He really wants to seal the deal of SS~possibly a serious town scumhunting.

I TR that because he was being serious, which is not scum meta.

Until that sarcasm.

Part 2 of 2

[Realeo]

So if someone has concern, I may not address it?

Addressing it is one thing. Saying:

Describe me the ideal Realeo.

@Not_Mafia

What can I do to proof that you're wrong?

Is appeasement

[Realeo]

So if someone has concern, I may not address it?

Addressing it is one thing. Saying:

Describe me the ideal Realeo.

@Not_Mafia

What can I do to proof that you're wrong?

Is appeasement

No seriously though. Go get a sleep. It's 11pm in America, ye?

[Alisae]

It's 930. I live in Cali.

[Aristophanes]

It's 930. I live in Cali.

You guys are leaving the states soon anyway, no? #CalExit2017

[Alisae]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?
Isn't this like the perfect time to take out scum for you?

[Realeo]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?

Ye! What's your case @ havingfitz.

[Realeo]

VOTE: BK201

Fire Mafia with Rory

Potentially the most accurate read of all time in this game. I mean, the 2of2 scum.

[Alisae]

Realeo that was directed towards Aristophanes but ok

[Realeo]

You forgot to put yourself in blue and Realeo in red

You townread Aristo?

[Realeo]

I can see NM/kmd as a possibility.

[Not_Mafia]

You forgot to put yourself in blue and Realeo in red

You townread Aristo?

BLue was ice mafia in his code I think

[Realeo]

Right! I was thinking blue = town

[Alisae]

So if someone has concern, I may not address it?

Addressing it is one thing. Saying:

Describe me the ideal Realeo.

@Not_Mafia

What can I do to proof that you're wrong?

Is appeasement

No seriously though. Go get a sleep. It's 11pm in America, ye?

Oh yeah I forgot to mention
but I detected the international mefia signal.

[Realeo]

Kmd attacked Rory/Kuroi from get go, but never actually voted him but at the beginning of D3. Even in D3, he still presented Aristo as wagon.

Like if I were KMD, I would push Kuroi. Especially if I sumread Rory pretty much from get go.

I mean, that's what I did to Transcend?

Unless KMD is ultra-patient person in real life, this is also probably White Flag gambit.

And KMD's desire to go fore Ice Mafia...is alerting, to say the least. I'm still convinced that going for Fire Mafia is more optimal (since we have 2 shots to get it right) but I don't think it is necesarrily "fire mafia shooing away?"

[Realeo]

@KMD: Where's your scumread @ Kuroi?

[light_ganski]

Mod needs a drink...

Official Vote Count 4.2

Realeo (2)

- Not_Mafia, Alisae

Not_Mafia (1)

- Realeo

Akarin (1)

- havingfitz

havingfitz (1)

- Akarin

Not Voting (2)

- Kmd4390, Aristophanes

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2017-01-29 09:49:43) until deadline.

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?
Isn't this like the perfect time to take out scum for you?

I know you mean me, even if you're wrong. I'll take a stance tn, how's that?

[Realeo]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?
Isn't this like the perfect time to take out scum for you?

I know you mean me, even if you're wrong. I'll take a stance tn, how's that?

Where's the

promised

analytical brain?

[Kmd4390]

Realeo's 1844 is a gross misrep of Alisae's point. Like this is how I'm reading it:
Alisae: Hey realeo why'd you only analyze one NK?
Realeo: WTF so any analysis at all is scummy?
I get his point that the gamma kill analysis is based on BK and I fully get the logic in that part of the analysis, but that post was ugly. I also don't get the outrage over semantics when Alisae called his analysis night kill analysis and not night kill association analysis or whatever it actually was.

Scumslip : Why I am not considered as a correct Fire Mafia wagon? Because KMD knows I don't

Um, you being fire was exactly what I was implying. If not mafia and havingfitz are town, it means no fire were on your wagon. That's the point I was making. The idea that you may have made it to L-2 on day 1 with zero help from fire mafia means there's a good chance that that's because you are fire. I didn't pursue it all that much because not mafia and havingfitz haven't flipped yet and I'd rather hit ice today.

No seriously though. Go get a sleep. It's 11pm in America, ye?

People sleep at 11pm?

Kmd attacked Rory/Kuroi from get go, but never actually voted him but at the beginning of D3. Even in D3, he still presented Aristo as wagon.

Actually, the only point I had against Rory was sheeping BK, who flipped scum. He was like my #4ish suspect before Kuro Amished'd. Aris is probably a little scummier, but like I said, I would have supported a lynch on either and that should be obvious from my posts.

ike if I were KMD, I would push Kuroi. Especially if I sumread Rory pretty much from get go.

By this logic, I should be voting you or havingfitz. My first suspect list was you/nn/culted/lo if I'm not mistaken. I added in one of rory/josh after nn's flip, BK's rory case, and josh's obsession over the idea that rory was the NK. You need a reread if you think otherwise.

Unless KMD is ultra-patient person in real life, this is also probably White Flag gambit. 

I'm actually pretty patient, but this isn't about patience. It's about the fact that I haven't had time to ISO BK and check who was scumreading him and Gamma recently. I've been working more than normal, going to court, taking care of three kids, and my wife just had surgery so she's been home which means no time to sit on my phone analyzing mafia games. Also, what is a white flag gambit?

And KMD's desire to go fore Ice Mafia...is alerting, to say the least. I'm still convinced that going for Fire Mafia is more optimal (since we have 2 shots to get it right) but I don't think it is necesarrily "fire mafia shooing away?"

I actually put a lot of time into thinking about this while I was at work.

Right now, we are 4:2:1.
---Lynch fire = 4:1:1
-----NKs both town = 2:1:1. Anyone who wants to be in this situation is crazy.
-----NK's both scum =4:1. Cool
-----NK's town + scum = 3:1 Cool.
---Lynch ice = 4:2 with 3:2 after a NK. That's not easy, but it's managable.

But actually now that it's in front of me, the fire one is better. You're right. It's risky which is what I was stuck on at work thinking about it. Like that 2:1:1 scenario was stuck in my head. But random odds give us a 66% chance to be in a better spot lynching fire than lynching ice.

@KMD: Where's your scumread @ Kuroi?

Same place it was yesterday.

[havingfitz]

Hey Ice Goon, you gonna take a stance on this or not?

Ye! What's your case @ havingfitz.

What are you asking for here?