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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:26 pm

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In post 248, -Grey- wrote:
In post 247, boring wrote:I'm not sure who this was directed toward, but false dilemmas are unproductive.
Not when I've only destroyed his case, bit shown how he knew better than to think what he was saying meant that I was scum in the first place.

He saw firsthand that I'm not always gung-ho aggressive right out of the fucking gate, but turns around and says it must mean I'm scum when I'm not.
AND doubles down after I destroyed his case on top of it.

He's fucking scum.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:30 pm

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Actually just skimmed Mick's ISO cuz he was one of the nerds I needed to relook at when I got the chance.
His vote was placed in the RVS stage which still concerns me.
I'm okay with running up snowman or Mick.
VOTE: Snowman
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:31 pm

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Hey Grey Bae.
You defeated my case. Congrats.
/me throws Confetti.
I'ma give you more time.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:52 pm

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In post 252, Alisae wrote:Hey Grey Bae.
You defeated my case. Congrats.
/me throws Confetti.
I'ma give you more time.
I won't be wooed by your sweet words, scum senpai.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:00 pm

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plz I don't give a fuck what you think about my words
Tho the senpai part made me blush.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:02 pm

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In post 249, Alisae wrote:{Boring, Fitz, AH}
{Moz, Facy}
{Hawk, Snowman, Mick}
{BBT, Uzi, Empking}
{Grey}
@MOD Update the OP to show replacements
In post 251, Alisae wrote:Actually just skimmed Mick's ISO cuz he was one of the nerds I needed to relook at when I got the chance.
His vote was placed in the RVS stage which still concerns me.
I'm okay with running up snowman or Mick.
VOTE: Snowman
That was one heckuva 5 minutes, skipping your 4 highest scum reads...

UNVOTE:

Grey, you and Alisae seem to like to flirt with moon logic. I'm not ruling out scum theater entirely, but until I get a better grip on Alisae, I'm willing to wait. I still don't like how touchy you are about early votes, for the record.

How sure are you about Alisae being scum? Is it just that he was wrong/irrational? Is he annoying the tiddlywinks out of you, or do you genuinely see scum motivation?
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:04 pm

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Yeah boring I skipped my scumreads becasue I'm a jumpy person and I wanna run up the lurkers so that they talk more and say more words so I can chitty chatty with them ;)
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:46 pm

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In post 255, boring wrote:How sure are you about Alisae being scum? Is it just that he was wrong/irrational? Is he annoying the tiddlywinks out of you, or do you genuinely see scum motivation?
Yes.

I can't imagine a world where Town!Alisae sees my play and even entertains the notion that I'm scum when he's had first-hand experience that contradicts his case.

He knows that I'm a very easy person to run up because I play in a very idgaf manner, and I think he tried to exploit that.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:54 pm

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In post 254, Alisae wrote:Tho the senpai part made me blush.
I suck as scum, so I'm sure you're scum senpai to me. :D
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:23 am

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@ConManMick, will you explain your comment on post .
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:24 am

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In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 154, Antihuman wrote:So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?

OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.

There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.

VOTE: Grey

This game needs a serious wagon.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:25 am

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In post 260, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 154, Antihuman wrote:So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?

OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.

There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.

VOTE: Grey

This game needs a serious wagon.
Why Grey here? It feels like you should voting for Fancy or Fitz right now.

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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:29 am

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In post 200, Empking wrote:
In post 158, Alisae wrote:
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:
In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert
FOS: Everyone n this list
Why?
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.

Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.

I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
Why didn't you ask the people you FoS'd questions?
In post 216, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: fitz

Can we lynch this please?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:33 am

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In post 225, -Grey- wrote:Vote Alisae or I dare you to defend him.
You seem to know Ali well so I'm surprised about your reaction to him voting for you. I think it's fair to say he overvalues meta a bit and you shouldn't really read into him using the method as a base for a scum read no?
In post 228, mozamis wrote:Uzi, why the King vote?
Shade throwing and the hop on the Ali wagon.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:56 am

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Still reading and making some evaluations but I'll chime in on the Alisae V Grey throwdown 2017.

UNVOTE: Grey

Not voting Alisae just yet as I don't particularly feel he is scummyour. I do agree that his argument for Grey being scum is weak. Meta and aggression are NAI. Each game is different. Now if you felt so inclined as to say you're reading Grey this game as scum because his posts feel forced or he's playing overly cautious and you scumread that then fine. But Grey still has good defense against that. We have Masons. Being too aggressive and drawing the attention of Masons as town can lead to easy misLynches if the Mafia are coordinated. IMO.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:01 am

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Pretty busy this weekend, not going to officially go on VLA but fair warning, feeling less bullish about moz, and more so on CMM and Snowman (so I agree with Alisae).
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:30 am

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OP fixed, thanks @Alisae

VC 1.4


Alisae (L-4) - -Grey-, havingfitz, Empking
mozamis (L-5) - FancyPants, Antihuman
ConManMick (L-6) - mozamis
Empking (L-6) - Lil Uzi Vert
-Grey- (L-6) - ConManMick
SnarkySnowman (L-6) - Alisae
havingfitz (L-6) - BBT

NV (2) - SnarkySnowman, boring

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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:07 am

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In post 263, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You seem to know Ali well so I'm surprised about your reaction to him voting for you. I think it's fair to say he overvalues meta a bit and you shouldn't really read into him using the method as a base for a scum read no?
You don't pay very close attention, do you?

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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:11 am

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In post 264, Hawk wrote:Being too aggressive and drawing the attention of Masons as town can lead to easy misLynches if the Mafia are coordinated.
It's not even that. Mafia coordinating to Lynch Masons will simply out themselves.

The danger in exposing the Masons is that it allows the Mafia to target them for the NK.

As long as they have to shoot in the dark, it gives town better odds to have conftown later in the game.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:35 am

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In post 268, -Grey- wrote:
In post 264, Hawk wrote:Being too aggressive and drawing the attention of Masons as town can lead to easy misLynches if the Mafia are coordinated.
It's not even that. Mafia coordinating to Lynch Masons will simply out themselves.

The danger in exposing the Masons is that it allows the Mafia to target them for the NK.

As long as they have to shoot in the dark, it gives town better odds to have conftown later in the game.
That's not what I meant Grey. I meant playing aggressively as a VT if you get the eye of the masons on you you might quickly find yourself under pressure from both parties. If masons vote you coordinated mafia might mislynch you and have a good idea depending on how discussion went towards shooting into the Mason camp.

This is dangerous.

Ex.

Player A is VT. He draws attention to himself and gets scumread in correctly. Masons vote together (assuming they do. I haven't played with Masons in a while but I was taught as a rule of thumb it's a good idea to vote together since you're confirmed townies) And now you have three Mason votes possibly as we move forward into the day.

If masons vote together and vote towards a mislynch then that's 3 town votes on a possible bad wagon meaning that it's very easy for coordinated scum to get a mislynch on VT and then get a night phase.

Tell me if I'm wrong in understanding the mechanics and optimal lines in this setup.

Still I get where you're coming from and I agree I just don't think Alisae is scum as of yet.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:49 am

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Grey if you're probably SRing me, I'm probably town.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:52 am

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Grey's thought just made me think of something. If scum claim Mason ought a Mason immediately counter-claim, or should they wait and let him drop association tells for some Day(s)?
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 am

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My theory is recently going to shit, but Emp I think you're on the right track.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 am

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I just reached the conclusion a lot earlier then anyone else here :P
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:21 am

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I don't want to talk about it and neither should ywall otherwise I might as well share information that I don't want scum having.
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