Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[humaneatingmonkey]

hello folks

Firebringer

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh i fucked that up

Vote: Firebringer

[humaneatingmonkey]

I found my first town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Found my second town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Then when someone has learned that a different Player has become a better choice, they will move their Vote and we will know things have become Serious.

any ideas what triggers the changes in votes? how will people move from me to a player they think are truly scummy when they've been instructed to move towards my wagon in a very mechanical, non-organic way?

[humaneatingmonkey]

The Players who got to Vote you will Factionalize against those who did not get to Vote you, from the rule against fully killing you. This will create Tensions. I will try to deliberately inflame the Tensions until a Player is likely to act angrily.

I'm finding it hard to visualize how this will unfold where we can get organic scum reactions because it's so mechanical that i can see scum just trying to play along, unless you have some sort of hidden card lying around somewhere

[humaneatingmonkey]

joins the battle, but not really

[humaneatingmonkey]

your mom is also your girlfriend

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's like he mechanically explained RVS.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
I like this plan

How about we do this thing organically instead? VOTE: Elements

[humaneatingmonkey]

It reads like you're trying to appear to be solving and putting out plans like you're having a townie mindset, but the actual plan described doesn't have much thought put behind it and thus i fail to see how it would be effective at containing scum.

do you townread this or nah?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ok that was fun

This is a new open alt hopefully becomes my main. I got tired of letter soup.

Lightly townreading Norwee and scumreading monkey for their reactions so far.

Not sure how to read Elements. He is always an axolotl-tier read.

Why are my reactions scum and what is your response to our critique of your plan?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uh, I disavow the plan.

I scumread your reaction because kneejerking "this is town" then raising objectively meritous objections has this look to it like realizing a slot deserves to get townread but then pursuing a win condition where slots that deserve to get townread don't get townread. Norwee's response was more internally consistent.

okay but you understand that i can townread your efforts and think that your plan is flawed.

[humaneatingmonkey]

but now that i see that you were being insincere, you're no longer my second town

[humaneatingmonkey]

I thought you were sincere and you wanted to share a game-winning strategy, but also you haven't thought things through. In that case, you would be super town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What do you think about Elements reaction?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm finding it hard to visualize how this will unfold where we can get organic scum reactions because it's so mechanical that

i can see scum just trying to play along

here is said scum playing along

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
I like this plan

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lightly townreading Norwee and scumreading monkey for their reactions so far.

When you posted this, did you meant that you were lightly townreading Norwee and that you were also lightly scumreading me? Or did you mean that you were lightly townreading Norwee and flatly scumreading me, as in a read of a higher degree than lightly.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And how would Elements act in early D1 when he has the red PM?

[humaneatingmonkey]

He might also onboard to the plan, but I'd expect him to self-consciously feel obligated to provide some shred of his own reasoning for participating.

see this is weird because i was trying to browse his recent games and i found not one thing that can give me this kind of idea. At least 5 of his last games have been town, and his most recent scum game he kinda replaced into.

so to have this kind of conclusion of declaring that he is "paradoxically town", you guys must have a lot of history. can you give me insight on past games that might give you this idea?

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay, i see. no further questions but consider my chin vigorously rubbed. that's still a sample size of one, but i don't think my vote belongs there anymore. UNVOTE:

[humaneatingmonkey]

good night

[humaneatingmonkey]

why vote me, votato?

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's not because of what isis tried to do D1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

so it's not rvs.

and you said this:

The absence of something useful is a trek into the negatives. I don't know what meta you're used to, but active lurking is hardly something I'd ever consider "an unknown".

oh ill contribute later. and im not actively lurking, because im making no effort to seem like im contributing. until very recently, when you tricked me. away, demon!

and now that you say that, it's not true at all.

VOTE: votato

[humaneatingmonkey]

NorwegianboyEE, you were Katyusha in your past life?

[humaneatingmonkey]

excuse me but why are people playing like this

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't as well. He started out as wanting to get the game rolling and then degraded into being a memelord real fast.

[humaneatingmonkey]

but she revealed that she was insincere about the whole thing, what do you think about that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

are you all caught up? i want to talk to people who actually wants to play this game

[humaneatingmonkey]

Here's mine

Town:
Alisae
Isis
Elements

No reads yet:
Green Crayons
Firebringer
Looker
Deimos27

Scum:
Cycle Men
votato
NorwegianboyEE

[humaneatingmonkey]

Albert B. Rampage should be in no reads yet

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ok that was fun

This is a new open alt hopefully becomes my main. I got tired of letter soup.

Lightly townreading Norwee and scumreading monkey for their reactions so far.

Not sure how to read Elements. He is always an axolotl-tier read.

Uh, I disavow the plan.

I scumread your reaction because kneejerking "this is town" then raising objectively meritous objections has this look to it like realizing a slot deserves to get townread but then pursuing a win condition where slots that deserve to get townread don't get townread. Norwee's response was more internally consistent.

Did you think the original post was sincere in spite of the bogus selection process?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, she can just attest to that.

Isis, were you being insincere?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cycle Man

>joins the game, but not really
>says they were asleep but they didn't even follow up

making yourself difficult to read on purpose in a nightless game is scummy to me

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, were you being insincere?

[humaneatingmonkey]

pls 4 minutes to compose my thoughts

sorry. with how the game going, i thought you were going to ignore me

[humaneatingmonkey]

lots of players here are straight-up ignoring posts that seem AI to me. for example, votato double-downed that it was still RVS even after I went after him. Also a lot of them have been ignoring my efforts to put this game in a better place. Not just him, but Looker, Cycle Man, and Firebringer. It was kinda annoying.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No one has addressed my vote post on votato, and it seems really important that i caught him lying about his motive.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i dont buy this.

i don't mind if votato is our first lynch today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

policy lynching? saying votato is scum because he said blue instead of green?

man, i feel like i'm on the wrong side of things.

happy to see that this game is moving away from garbage.

i've been away because i had to leroy jenkins a video i was editing for work.

i'm about to sleep now. give me 12 hours, and then i'll get back on this game.

TY.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good morning

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good morning Firebringer, a person I townread

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wanna hear what Deimos has to say

[humaneatingmonkey]

Here is where I am

Town:
Albert B. Rampage
Alisae
Firebringer

Undecided:
Cycle Men
Elements
Green Crayons
Isis
Looker
NorwegianboyEE

Scum:
Deimos27
votato
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No, I didn't think there were three scums in the game. I just had three scumleans.

Will post more later

[humaneatingmonkey]

nevermind. i think im reading this game wrong.

[humaneatingmonkey]

please give me a moment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm thinking looker town atm and fire town

why is looker and fire town? tell me where your head was in post 82.

i'm scumleaning elements.

his positionings are opportunistic and so far, he's shown behavior that leads me to think that he's not really interested in trying to work with town or figure out who scum is.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was townreading him with the idea that Isis' comments on elements make him town, regardless of whether or not Isis is scum or town. but now i'm really reading elements' initial vote as less passive more trying to get on a town strategy he thinks will get him cred. i think elements was just as confused as i was.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think ABR is very transparent in what he does and how he does it. He doesn't feel the need to look like town or look figured-out. This gives me the kneejerk reaction that he's town. If he's scum, he's not giving himself a good position for future days. So I can tolerate what he's doing because he's giving us a lot of info for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't know how to explain why I townread Firebringer. I can 100% say that it's not objective, and it's just his natural charisma. Anything I pull from his ISO to explain that read is just confbiased to make him town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I scumlean Norwee because of his inorganic tone shift from analytical to no-fucks-given in early game when it became apparent that this game features a fine roster of shitposters.

[humaneatingmonkey]

My idea is that if Deimos is scum here, Isis+Norwee+votato is the pool of people I'll look for scum from.

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey just so you guys know, i'm ignoring questions on purpose. the reason? i'm truly lazy to comb through this thread to reply to questions peppered all-over. so if you guys have questions you need an answer for, just re-ask it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements, this was Looker's only post when you made the comment that he was town.

My name means Goddess not Terrorist.

Your name is the plural form of Ice. It's when you want more than one Ice - you get Isis

Isis who's your alt

L used to be my avatar as well

your mom

your mom is also your girlfriend

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• @Norway: Please try harder than last time

VOTE: Green Crayons That is such a lovely name

Can you explain what you mean by more organic and what contrast was present that helped you think he was town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fire feels the same as every other game I've played with him. And that feeling is town.

So you've had experience where Firebringer was scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i felt like votato was being disingenuous in the early game when he voted me "as RVS" but then revealed that it was because of my reaction to Isis. That wasn't RVS for me, and that felt like he was lying about it being RVS so he seems less suspicious. He had the feel of scum trying to hide under the facade of shitposter to excuse their actions. I realize now that it could be a legitimate POV so I'm dropping it.

Also there's a trend of people sheeping people. Is it relevant that we're in a VCA-heavy game and people seem to be picking up on the behavior more often than usual?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'd be lying if i said i know who scum is but i have zero grasp over this game whatsoever. i'm just going to stay active for now and go with the flow until something makes sense. i'll develop stronger reads near deadline.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ABR how to play this game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

are we back to this

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you guys think about my elements and NorwEE read

[humaneatingmonkey]

Rare case I'll do an ISO because it's so short

I believe Elements was confused as I was that Isis was serious in her proposition.

#22
I can see scum, thinking that the proposition was serious, joining in early like this to get free towncred. Note that he said "I like this plan" even though it's flawed (if you take it seriously). There was no indication that he thought it was a joke.

Elements' reads are TMI and opportunistic.
#80
It's weird to scumread someone for an obvious joke (i get the irony)
so it's either scum!Elements TMI-ing scum!votato or scum!Elements looking for a low hanging fruit

#230
it's weird to flatly say that cycle man is a valid lynch option without trying to get a read on him first. (yes i also get the irony, but in my defense, i just wasn't convinced of votato's POV in early early D1)

Elements' townreads are also opportunistic.
#81[/quote] on alisae
#230 again on me, monkey
this strikes me as a pocket attempts.

#82
these reads, with nothing to base it on, strike me as TMI. and i dont really buy his justification. even if it's true, it doesn't explain his firebringer read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

because of how she attacked the Deimos wagon.

can you explain it to me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

no i can see you as town or scum and i have not decided yet

[humaneatingmonkey]

am i wrong?

[humaneatingmonkey]

so you 100% believed that it's a joke? why did you get on board anyway?

[humaneatingmonkey]

see what i mean

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

but really tho

[humaneatingmonkey]

good morning

[humaneatingmonkey]

I like Deimos take on Cycle Men.
VOTE: Cycle Men

I'm not as leery about those two naked townreads as you are because a. I don't know Looker super well yet but I think he's pretty unpocketable and b. I think the content to get to firebringer town does exist in the thread

The content does not exist in the thread during the time of Elements' posting.

"answer key" should have become the buzzword if this category of tell has had so much value increase it needed to get a pithy name

that's pretty weak, sis.

Looker's not really providing anything in this game other than being abrasive. Why?

Why are people mostly ignoring my Elements' read?

[humaneatingmonkey]

so what's your plan around that slot on how to sort them?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Remember that we have daytalk and he can have ghostwriters.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Elements

[humaneatingmonkey]

What?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh, I thought I was voting you before voting Cycle Men.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This interests you why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

why are the merits of my case contingent on whether or not i keep track of my votes? walk me through here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

did you vote cycle men as a reaction test?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm 100% sure Elements is scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

So where did it bring you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votata was my scumread going in the day then after I reconciled that his POV could make sense, I dropped it. I have not if he is scum or he is town, and I don't think he's my day 1 lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's your read on me right now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You said it was a reaction test, and then not a reaction test, so my understanding is your vote makes you think you got an alignment indicative read on me.

What is it?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, who do you think is misleading me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I got a tone of abrasiveness in this one and this one. I don't recall you missing any of my questions. I think your reactions cater more to posts and not situations, and that strikes me as... inorganic.

You've played with NorwEE last time. What is your opinion on him?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think you 100% think I'm scum. Did my change of vote increase how scummy you think I am?

Yes, especially since your vote reason was his entrance which was super non-AI. If Cycle Men is town here, you're definitely just wanting to hop on that wagon. But since you don't understand the town reasons to join the wagon, you just make up your own.

[humaneatingmonkey]

There's your tone of abrasiveness.

Situations are a sum of people's posts and the subtext behind it. You're focused only on nitpicking stuff from people and not on the big picture. You haven't commented on your take on situations.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Abrasiveness or? Can you describe him for me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think some of these people are just trying to get town brownie points by doing nothing.

I think this is what he's doing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lots of abrasive questions, nitpicks, and snark — but he doesn't feel like he's actually solving the game. This is why we can't play him in this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No actually do some legwork and tell me what you think the situations were so we can see your POV.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is why we can't play him in this game.

EBWOP: This is why we can't place him in this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So what, are you actually scumreading me right now for wanting more out of you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Found my second scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't even know what's so threatening about what I'm saying about you. It's not exclusively scum indicative. But it seems like a simple callout on your behavior got you so unnaturally defensive. Otherwise, you would have understood that my POV on you was reasonable? Now I just think you're scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

• @humandevouringamonkey: Do
  you
  think that I'm town or are you saying that there are posts of mine where it looks like I'm begging to be townread?
  • Also, do you feel that Green Crayons and Elements just coached you away from pursuing my lynch D1?

Are you done with your tantrums?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not really. Adults throw tantrums, too. For example, you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So what are you doing here? Are you trying to sort me as scum? Be more clear.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I had no read on you, so I was trying to get a hold of your entire POV if it checks out. I want to sort your abrasiveness (as a tactic to veer of confrontation, scum or town) and distance (to be deliberately unreadable, scum or town).

I can see a POV where you are just casually stopping by with questions that help no one's reads because you are trying to seem active. With deadline so near, I want to where you are at this game because you provide no info.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Now you seem high strung and disagreeable, and that sort of person is generally a bit fake.

Town get sensitive when they feel attacked.

Scum can fake getting sensitive when they feel attacked.

It's not a good tell.

i think that it is a good tell if there's an overreaction.

[humaneatingmonkey]

where you are just casually stopping by with questions that help no one's reads because you are trying to seem active.

Isis, look at this Moon Logic (tm).

what does this mean?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think that it is a good tell if there's an overreaction.

Oomph. By what measure is something an overreaction? I'm not saying you can't show it, but you're asking for some effort to show that the overreaction is actually manufactured overreaction, not only relative to the prompt but also relative to the player.

well okay, i'll start there. tomorrow i'll try to look for past games and see his range.

[humaneatingmonkey]

there's no real counterwagon to Cycle Man, and why is that? It has NorwEE and Deimos. Why are you there, GC?

Can I interest you in an Elements wagon instead?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're not scum, are you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

^Why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you think it's likely that he's scum? GC, I mean.

[humaneatingmonkey]

People wouldn't coach if they had daytalk, right?

• @Isis: I didn't think anybody would catch that
  • I also think I'm consistent enough to sort. Just because I can't sit around on my phone all day doesn't mean my posts have any less merit than anyone else's. (This isn't snark - I'm agreeing with you )

I want to know where our confrontation lead you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ya'll need to stop sheeping ABR if he's not "on" yet.

I don't believe Cycle Men's wagon gives us info other than a flip, but it's more of a wagon akin to going home with the least attractive person in a bar because you're desperate to get laid.

Firebringer is sortable in the following days, and right now I kinda feel like he's town.

NorwEE's lynch might give us better association tells. I'm also more confident that Elements is scum.

Looker and GC are not good day 1 lynches.

People I'll lynch today. Please choose.

NorwegianboyEE

Elements

[humaneatingmonkey]

whos scum in your wagon?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: NorwEE

Let's go.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NorwEE is our best lynch today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

excuse me, do you want to be lynched? join the wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

this doesn't even sort monkey because monkey is town no matter what norwee is

how does that not sort me if im town no matter what

[humaneatingmonkey]

elements and norwee probably

>about to be lynched
>says elements and norwee are probably the scum
>keeps vote on Firebringer
>keeps vote on Firebringer even if there's an opportunity to build a wagon with people he doesn't scumread

prove you're trying and express your train of thought, so i don't change my mind and lynch you instead

[humaneatingmonkey]

you're town, right? if you're town, you would avoid your mislynch and make yourself understandable.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i like how you conveniently left out the part where your question was "who

on your wagon

is scum"

so? you still think they're scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Cycle Men

Okay bro

[humaneatingmonkey]

NorwEE, GC, Elements, Looker

But I want you out of the game after the last page. You prove that you're impossible to sort, and I think you're better flipped than alive.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No I think hard to sort for a D1 lynch is a good reason.
I do scumread you NorwEE, but I'm likely to be wrong anyway. Flipping Cycle Men here just to be 100% sure of his alignment is better than having him in the game and constantly breaking my PoE because he's acting impossible to sort. (Too scummy to be scum)

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do i feel disappointed that monkey isn't scumreading me
have i been standing within six feet of firebringer too much?

i'm not scumreading you because i haven't picked up on anything you have done that's exclusively scummy. i don't see you as exclusively town either.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm well aware that my 4 scumreads can be wrong, and I'm likely to have better reads with you being flipped than me being unsure of you.

so you want me dead because you're not good enough to sort me

Sure whatever if that's how you wanna frame it

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'd rather lynch someone who i know i'll keep going back and forth as scum based on behavior and town based on game's reaction on their behavior.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's reasonable, but sure whatever.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alisae, why is Mr. Inorganic and Mr. Sheeps-a-lot town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm talking about Looker's inorganic behavior and POV and GC's serial sheeping and lack of town paranoia. Both of which you find town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to be clear. I'm not finding Looker, GC, Elements, and NorwEE as hard to sort. I am sorting them as likely scum. But I can be very wrong, and I think a flipped Cycle Men will help me be more right.

The only reason I didn't have Cycle Men as my primary lynch option earlier was the lack of counterwagon during that period. However, I can see merit in Deimos' push against him. But now I see that the paranoia around it is outweighed by the uncertainty Cycle Men will bring me later in the game.

So Cycle Men it is.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm talking about Looker's inorganic behavior and POV and GC's serial sheeping and lack of town paranoia. Both of which you find town.

Looker is town because his read on me is likely just coming from town.
He is also asking questions and trying to figure out my motivations.
GC I think is likely town just by positioning but that changes depending on if all of ABR, Norwee, and Isis are town.

First, you assume Looker is reading you as town. He just comments a meta on you being impossibly aggressive as town. He's been vague about his read on you. If I'm wrong, show me progression on which he think you're town.
Second, GC's positioning makes him town? He's on a wagon with most of his scumreads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alisae, why is Cycle Men town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to be clear. I'm not finding Looker, GC, Elements, and NorwEE as hard to sort. I am sorting them as likely scum. But I can be very wrong, and I think a flipped Cycle Men will help me be more right.

The only reason I didn't have Cycle Men as my primary lynch option earlier was the lack of counterwagon during that period. However, I can see merit in Deimos' push against him. But now I see that the paranoia around it is outweighed by the uncertainty Cycle Men will bring me later in the game.

So Cycle Men it is.

you can use the words policy lynch
you want to policy lynch me

Sure whatever if you wanna frame it that way

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes, Alisae, I can be on the NorwEE wagon. But I also want this Cycle Men wagon to happen.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay I can buy that thank you for that

[humaneatingmonkey]

Although isn't sheeping exactly like voting based on trusting that the person you're following is town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alisae, why is Mr. Inorganic and Mr. Sheeps-a-lot town?

oh lol I’m Sheep’s A Lot?

Been called worse by better.

can you really blame me if sheeps-a-lot has been accurate with how you've played up to that post?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm evaluating whether or not Elements is town for the solve that no one has really took me up on the wagon I made around him, or scumread him because by his own admission he's been lynchable and yet no one other than me has really pushed him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay i like Elements now

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cycle as scum doesn’t really have a motive to challenge the validity of a counter wagon to his lynch.

hmm

[humaneatingmonkey]

there is no town motivations in your actions.
town does not play this way.

this isn't really true

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cycle as scum doesn’t really have a motive to challenge the validity of a counter wagon to his lynch.

wait, is this pro scum!cycle?

i believe it's a town!cycle consideration

[humaneatingmonkey]

unless it's scum!NorwEE and scum!Cycle. He's more willing to get lynched and make up a reason for an alternative vote (me) than to bus NorwEE

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Notwegian

nah i don't agree
i don't think norwee thinks im scum but also thinks im annoying at the same time
those are conflicting thought processes

this isn't really true. scum!norwee can use ate to discredit town!you as being annoying. town!norwee will say that scum!you is scummy, not annoying

[humaneatingmonkey]

human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

im doing a good job hiding my associatives if i prematurely decide to buddy now

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, do you think I'm a bad player?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay because your comments on my mr. sheeps a lot and my cycle vote implies im a bad player, when you've previously produced reads list very very similar to mine

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ali, why is Cycle Men town? You missed my question.

[humaneatingmonkey]

???

I disagree with characterizing me as sheeping so I poked you back. I don’t really think I’ve been called worse by better, I just think that’s a great phrase to say to someone who calls you something you disagree with.

I don’t remember what I said about your cycle vote?

you said it was bad town play.

[humaneatingmonkey]

im sorry come again?

[humaneatingmonkey]

when you're stressed and frustrated alisae, do you usually cycle avatars?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cycle Men > NorwEE

Let's just get the flips, man.

[humaneatingmonkey]

nah. you went from hard to sort, to probably scum in the middle of everything.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no i recognize what you've done and i truly thank you for that. unfortunately i'm reading you as scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

First, and I said this before, I agree with Deimos' read on Clemency's offbeat comment on his wagon here. I haven't seen him make similar comments on other wagons, so it's not his usual behavior. It's indicative of TMI or scum defending a buddy.

So I scumread him, but I have reservations because he has no counterwagons and I didn't like NorwEE, GC, Elements. So I was betting that if I was right in at least 1/3 of my scumreads, he's probably town.

At L-1, he was about to give up and give no assoc reads — saying he is bad at this game. Okay.

A counterwagon opens around NorwEE. He doesn't take it.

An argument can be made that he is town because there's no reason. But there is.

Clemency is always at a high risk of a lynch, as town or scum. Scum!Celemency knows that he's not getting away from a lynch, regardless of what the town thinks about him.

With that in mind, Scum!Celemency will make town!NorwEE look better and risk a potential mislynch for his scumteam by switching to his wagon. When he is a strong lynch potential at anytime, why would he help town!NorwEE here?

Scum!Clemency will also prefer to not aid the lynch of scum!NorwEE, who has a better fighting chance than he has.

At least town!Celemency has a reason to pursue a NorwEE lynch. He has no idea here what NorwEE will flip and he'll be game to see where the wagon leads to — bonus points for scumreading the slot in the firstplace.

Instead he doesn't take it.

I don't buy that he finds Ali, Me, and Isis scummy for building a NorwEE wagon, a person he scumreads, when he knows he's town. I don't believe he finds it scummy that I'm pressuring him to vote at 24 hours left in the day. If we're scum, we could have just mislynched him and it would have been easy. He would understand that. But what he did here? That's just not an organic progression.

Cycle men you weren’t this active or solvey before. What changed?

i dont like speaking for myself in this regard but activating midway through a game is very consistently my meta

This isn't really what I found in most of his town games. He would remain consistently difficult throughout the day in his town games. But I'm open to being proven wrong.

He also apparently scumreads Firebringer when he made that vote in RVS and his Firebringer read is "Firebringer is Firebringer".

So there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched

[humaneatingmonkey]

so did that change? are you now worried about getting lynched?

[humaneatingmonkey]

that read to me that you don't care about being lynched. did i misunderstand?
why were you not worried of being lynched at L-1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why weren't you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're not worried that scum would swoop in and hammer you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

nah. i don't buy that. i think town!you would recognize that it's very easy to scum to hammer you there and get away with it.

i think the more reasonable explanation is you're not worried about scum, because you're scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: it's very easy for scum to hammer you there

[humaneatingmonkey]

i now invite Cycle Men's scumteam to come here and defend him

[humaneatingmonkey]

i appreciate the compliments, man

[humaneatingmonkey]

the town motivation is that we want NorwEE to be lynched

[humaneatingmonkey]

You don't net scum points when you're town and you switch to a competing bandwagon to avoid your own lynch.

Exactly.

My point was town!NorwEE would net town points if scum!Clemency jumps on him to avoid his lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

remind me who you're claiming the scum team are cycle

you, human, firebringer, a mystery wildcard

see one of the reasons i scumread you is your firebringer read. can you explain more why firebringer is scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

the town motivation is that we want NorwEE to be lynched

mislynched*

so you strongly believe that NorwEE is town? Why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

votato! what's your take on things

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think about my vote on cycle men? why do you like the elements wagon better than cycle men?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i don't think it was spam. i think the past 15 pages have been the most AI content in the game, and im happy it happened.

[humaneatingmonkey]

wut. i literally telegraphed my whole progression.

also, Clemency is right in that he's engaged the game and stopped being strange so you surely must have information now.
the reason why i ask is because you must have thought about it when choosing between the two wagons especially since you think there might well be at least one scum on each wagon — this means you think elements is scum and not Clemency.
I'm begging you to read the past 15-20 pages again, and give us your long due "contribution at the end of the day".

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uhm, bro I think you're the one misreading things. First, what do you mean about being bad at English? At no point did I not understand what he said. What I don't understand is why he'd do the things he's doing if he's town.

I refer you to #1153. Thank you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well I'm telling you that you're misreading it and the context is I want to understand why he wouldn't take NorwEE's wagon. It's not even that hard to understand? Cycle Men and I were talking under the same context there. You're the only one reading it like this. #889 expresses why I don't think what he did makes sense.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't you guys find it weird that like days ago, the L-1 wagon who no one hammered, is now very hard to push in deadline? Clemency is scum. Flip this slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lend me your energy.

Elements
Green Crayons
Firebringer

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm making a case that he was scum in the first place and that scum might have been on the wagon. if that wagon was town-driven, scum would have hammered already.

and now, with scum having an alternate lynch opportunity, it takes a lot of strength to join his wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

not really as Cycle Men was a slot that was very easy to hammer there as scum. there was a universal apathy towards the slot, we were nearing our deadline, and everyone wanted.

plus, he's not really worried to be lynched at L-1 as town?
and he thought there was scum on his wagon, but he didn't react to it then the way he did when he "activated" just now?

Now I'm curious if you're defending him because you're TMI or because you're his buddy. Because there's no way you're not looking at this and being a little skeptical.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: everyone wanted a flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think you've tunneled really hard at this point.

fair, but this is a tunnel broken only by a flip. i want a flip. clemency flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no my logic is sound and ive locked into a perspective that makes sense to me, but i recognize im ignoring other perspectives because i like this perspective a lot more. rather than taking a step back, i want to see where this actually goes so i can solve the rest of the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can you explain? Break my tunnel.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wanna see the VC and I wanna hear ABR's thoughts.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your tunnel is based on nothing of value.

How helpful.

[humaneatingmonkey]

one misread the entire thing and refuses to share their opinions on the actual thing presented.
one does not give any valid criticisms at all.

no i'm good

[humaneatingmonkey]

what

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's see what this flip teaches us

VOTE: Cycle Men

psst...

you were already voting that

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alisae hammer now. Isis wasn't a hammer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ok lets see if i was very very wrong

[humaneatingmonkey]

boom

[humaneatingmonkey]

super happy with this development, and the mafia cocaine has got me hooked.

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't have solid reads yet and I'm gonna disappear for a while.
Bye.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votecount 2.1

Target	Wagon
Isis (1)	Albert B. Rampage (1317)
Alisae (1)	Elements (1319)
Not Voting (9)	humaneatingmonkey, votato, Alisae, Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Looker, Firebringer

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 18:29:59).

yes keep doing what you're doing and don't mind the haters. i absolutely love that your name is what i see on every page top.

[humaneatingmonkey]

At least 1 out of 3 scum is here, maybe more.

ABR
votato
Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

[humaneatingmonkey]

Firebringer, have you made a conscious effort to change your playstyle recently?

[humaneatingmonkey]

what made you decide that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: ABR

[humaneatingmonkey]

ABR, Alisae, votato all looks red to me right now. Although I'm wrong about at least one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If ABR doesn't give us something to work with soon, I think we're forced to work with his flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

vote ABR with me

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll save that for later because i want to focus on abr.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm also curious why Firebringer and Isis bussed and not Alisae.