Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

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your mom

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VOTE: Cycle Men it is now to show Cycle men that afk'ing in a nightless setup is fucking disgusting

you call it afk, i call it being asleep when people usually get active

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god i could go for a burger rn

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VOTE: firebringer

hella

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sounds like someone's got a case of the mondays

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Cycle Man

>joins the game, but not really

im sorry did you expect me to have the game solved in half an hour on page 2?
how hard are you gonna try and force this?

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i find it concerning that something this flimsy is one of your two condemning pieces of evidence against me

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im not the type of person who feels like pretending that you can form any type of read off 100-200 posts in a 12 player game

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keyword: pretending

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i think you misunderstand what i mean

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you see i have a tough time answering because the question comes at an off-topic angle that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand and disjoints the point i'm trying to make
i do have the starts of a few reads, but i dont think it possible to have a read list that isnt to some extent forced for the sake of looking active 150 posts in

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vc on point

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Do players just get more inclined to post fluff the more experienced they get? This open has like half the game-relevant-content density of a Newbie.

yes

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If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

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fine, i vow to temporarily stop being belligerent

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If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

Will you make any read whatsoever if I ask really nicely?
Or shall we policy lynch you instead? ^^

shallow townleans on hem and isis
having played a fair bit with deimos offsite i'd go and say this lines up with his town meta

firebringer is
firebringer

im not fond of norwee but im not sure if i have any merit behind it that i can articulate or if im just biased against people who are against me

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

crayons is the only person i'd call firmly town atm

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i wish i could go more in-depth but i find myself busy atm

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can you blame me for being frustrated when i make my first post and half an hour later someone is getting self-righteous about my activity

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it makes me frustrated the same way people who think policy lynching is an actual viable pro-town concept do

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If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

Will you make any read whatsoever if I ask really nicely?
Or shall we policy lynch you instead? ^^

shallow townleans on hem and isis

having played a fair bit with deimos offsite i'd go and say this lines up with his town meta

firebringer is
firebringer

im not fond of norwee but im not sure if i have any merit behind it that i can articulate or if im just biased against people who are against me

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

crayons is the only person i'd call firmly town atm

(1) If this is me as town, how would I be playing as scum?
(2) Your crayons read is your strongest, so surely you are capable of stating some reasons for it?

Cycle Men is an alt. I know his main, but will not be divulging it unless he does first. I will say that doing nothing early-game is exactly his meta, though it's a playstyle I can't say I'm remotely fond of.

as town, you do this right here where you pop in once you're ready and bish bash bosh through everything while assuming a confident lead position, whereas on scum, you've been a bit clumsier or more reluctant
of course im going off old old games and your scum game has probably improved overtime, but i feel confident enough going off of that rn

crayon guy has this aura over the game that i could never really see coming from scum, where he can confidently observe and comment on the game as it happens and solemnly push people in a way that wouldnt be necessary while playing as scum to maintain innocence

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i cant say ive ever seen this

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as town, you do this right here where you pop in once you're ready and bish bash bosh through everything while assuming a confident lead position, whereas on scum, you've been a bit clumsier or more reluctant
of course im going off old old games and your scum game has probably improved overtime, but i feel confident enough going off of that rn

crayon guy has this aura over the game that i could never really see coming from scum, where he can confidently observe and comment on the game as it happens and solemnly push people in a way that wouldnt be necessary while playing as scum to maintain innocence

Tell me, how old exactly are the games you are referring to? Estimate for me when the last time you saw me play scum was. Then estimate how much you think I might have improved since then. You seem awfully confident about my alignment, considering what I suspect the answer will turn out to be.

Can you point me to particular examples of where you see this tone from Crayons?

i'll get to this when im in a position to write long more

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as far as i can tell everyone has decided to sheep someone who moments ago was universally null/scum

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does it have merit though? i feel like that's a really narrow, forced angle to look at things
when something forms a story way too conveniently i think its time to rethink

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the firebringer behind the murder

haha whos this guy

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preposterous

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well you better go catch it

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now this is the game i wanted

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i cant keep an alt worth a damn, huh

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Remember that we have daytalk and he can have ghostwriters.

flashbacks to scumteaming with rc

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Everyone else is town. Except Norwee who I am going to torture. And some people who are hard to figure out.

I don't think Clemency ever plays mafia in a readable way so it makes plenty of sense to advance to playing the 11p it kind of already will be.

bit harsh to whoever this clemency guy is

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I’m voting cycle men because i wanna rethink through who I’m voting and if all 3 of those are town then cyclemen are probably less likely to be town and they’re clemency so I don’t particularly care if they live or die tbh

okay ow
im still a person here

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what am i at rn

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haha he's asking you to get off

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oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched

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i would like to add new information to the stand:
im really bad at this game, like, always

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whos scum in your wagon?

elements and norwee probably

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i would like to add new information to the stand:
im really bad at this game, like, always

Ofc ur gonna be bad when you literally don’t try.

who says i dont try?

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this page concerns me

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excuse me, do you want to be lynched? join the wagon.

think i like my vote where it is after that comment

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This wagon is super possible people just need to use their fucking votes

Super possible because you have 2 teammates to vote with you? Or are you referring to something else?

VOTE: NorwEE

Let's go.

you guys are lame
VOTE: Norwee

lol

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elements and norwee probably

>about to be lynched
>says elements and norwee are probably the scum
>keeps vote on Firebringer
>keeps vote on Firebringer even if there's an opportunity to build a wagon with people he doesn't scumread

prove you're trying and express your train of thought, so i don't change my mind and lynch you instead

i like how you conveniently left out the part where your question was "who

on your wagon

is scum"

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whos scum in your wagon?

elements and norwee probably

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
im keeping this here for the day

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not after this page i dont

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hem, who do you scumread atm?

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ok

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here i thought norwee was the clear lynch but i suppose that doesnt look as good now

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here i thought norwee was the clear lynch but i suppose that doesnt look as good now

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oh heck

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NorwEE, GC, Elements, Looker

But I want you out of the game after the last page. You prove that you're impossible to sort, and I think you're better flipped than alive.

so you're saying half my scumteam was already on my wagon before your troupe turned back on me

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not to mention you have four individual scumreads yet you're still pushing a lynch on me, despite norwee remaining a viable wagon??

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so you want me dead because you're not good enough to sort me

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yet you stand strong on the stance that you

have

scumreads, yet you'd lynch a null

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over someone you scumread

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just hoping you also notice how that sounds

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so we consider it being a troll if my push doesnt line up with yours
and you wonder why i "dont try"

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Feels like Alisae just instructed their team to vote me based on the last page alone.

like you are saying right here that you feel like I told my team to vote you but then if all 3 of us are teamed, why did isis and monkey unvote

because you got called out on it?

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anything can sound ridiculous if you construct a narrative around it

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so your argument against it is you're not going to argue against it also im scum

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if you're town you should really reconsider how you deliver your agenda

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do you do anything other than ad hominem or is this just how you convince people?

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this is not only an incredibly defensive response, its borderline insulting
its just a game, okay?

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i believe my arguments have merit, otherwise i wouldnt be making them

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you claim my theories are incorrect yet that entire page is filled with nothing more than "you're stupid, you're wrong, turn on your brain waa waa"
if they're so demonstrably wrong, demonstrate why and lynch me

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this is not only an incredibly defensive response, its borderline insulting
its just a game, okay?

okay let me rephrase the question
do you genuinely believe that me, monkey, and isis are all cordinating our votes in this thread and that as soon as they get called out on it, monkey and isis switch their votes back to you? Meaning that you think that me, monkey, and isis are scum
.

i considered it a possibility, not necessarily a certainty
my main gripe was with hems post pressuring me to vote that made me reconsider my reads on him and norwee

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oh yeah, we wouldnt want scum to get a night kill

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I want to be clear. I'm not finding Looker, GC, Elements, and NorwEE as hard to sort. I am sorting them as likely scum. But I can be very wrong, and I think a flipped Cycle Men will help me be more right.

The only reason I didn't have Cycle Men as my primary lynch option earlier was the lack of counterwagon during that period. However, I can see merit in Deimos' push against him. But now I see that the paranoia around it is outweighed by the uncertainty Cycle Men will bring me later in the game.

So Cycle Men it is.

can i vote you again for this

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I want to be clear. I'm not finding Looker, GC, Elements, and NorwEE as hard to sort. I am sorting them as likely scum. But I can be very wrong, and I think a flipped Cycle Men will help me be more right.

The only reason I didn't have Cycle Men as my primary lynch option earlier was the lack of counterwagon during that period. However, I can see merit in Deimos' push against him. But now I see that the paranoia around it is outweighed by the uncertainty Cycle Men will bring me later in the game.

So Cycle Men it is.

you can use the words policy lynch
you want to policy lynch me

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oh yeah, we wouldnt want scum to get a night kill

do i have to start using /s

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you know what
i hate you norwee (not actually just ur making this frustrating lmao)
i am going to admit
that i probably do not know how you play this game at all
i don't think i agree with it but this is giving me flashbacks to the normal where I had issues reading you and you reacted similarly
and now there is this seed of doubt that was planted

I think its Isis if ur town
VOTE: Isis

if you do that it's just going to be an inevitable cycle men lynch. Everyone wants a lynch and cycle men has the most so the people on it are most likely just gonna leave their votes there adn wait for everyone to panic move onto him.
I'm happy for a cycle or human lynch but i'd prefer the latter
VOTE: human

scrap that, human is pretty locktown for me now
VOTE: cycle

?????? how does this happen in a human brain
VOTE: elements

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oop, ignore the first quote, accidental

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scrap that, human is pretty locktown for me now

this swing happened because i've just looked through the votecounts and human has been the only one to vote me so far this game. If he were scum I'd have expected him to get his buddies to at least push me as I've so lynchable. that hasn't happened even slightly so human = town

what
you've been considered a scumread by multiple people for a long time this game

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okay what the hell is happening

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scrap that, human is pretty locktown for me now

this swing happened because i've just looked through the votecounts and human has been the only one to vote me so far this game. If he were scum I'd have expected him to get his buddies to at least push me as I've so lynchable. that hasn't happened even slightly so human = town

what
you've been considered a scumread by multiple people for a long time this game

but no one has voted me or rlly pushed for my lynch except human.

we've been occupied...
have you read the game?

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unless we gonna flashwagon Elements
Im down for that

fuck it im down

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this game'll get a lot less infuriating with info

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like there is NO town motivations to your actions

there's even less scum motivations.
Is there a way i could possibly be drawing more attention to myself.
There was a pretty much confirmed lynch on not me before i started posting.
Why do I, as scum, come in like a beyblade bashing around everyone getting my opinion out there as scum when I could easily have just sat back and watch a lynch.

because everything else was defusing down and your potential lynch was becoming likelier?

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if cycle flips scum we get gc town, ail scum, norwee town

flail

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Cycle Men vote Elements

wait i already did

@nsg you missed my vote i think?

votecounts have been corrected, thanks.

-nsg

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human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

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human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

was just*

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its 2020 and people still pretend scumslips are a thing?

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human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

the exact same can be said for ali and norwee yet you're not commenting on that

except ali put a lot more pressure onto norwee along with other people and came to what i believe to be a natural townread as a result of reactions to that pressure

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human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

im doing a good job hiding my associatives if i prematurely decide to buddy now

as we all know plans are fixed and never ever change

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holy shit ive never seen selective hearing as a scum tactic before haha

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Cycle men you weren’t this active or solvey before. What changed?

i dont like speaking for myself in this regard but activating midway through a game is very consistently my meta

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Cycle Men > NorwEE

Let's just get the flips, man.

is it because im pairing you with elements, dear
i can learn to change for you

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alright now i just need a fourth and i can flawless this game

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im cool voting human, elements, fire, or possibly isis this day

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im cool

lynch this liar.

why do you hate me ):

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the thing that makes me so inclined towards human's lynch is that he still wants to lynch me on the argument that im in some way "unreadable" despite the fact that ive actively started playing and weighing in on the game, but doesnt feel the same type of incentive to push elements or firebringer

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i felt like it was an unreasonable argument to begin with, but now it just feels like he wants it to happen before people catch on

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^
if not for that, whats your reasoning?

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i find the potential of you being confbiasing town smaller than i do you being scum who wasnt expecting me to act up
but i find the potential of you having a legitimate reason to scumread me less likely than both

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ok good diversion

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that's never gonna happen
VOTE: cycle men

you know damn well that wagon's not valid anymore
but i cant blame you for not wanting to be lynched

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why's everyone saying i gave up or was planning to be lynched? ive been spending the past dozen pages fighting against my lynch

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oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched

??? this is literally the opposite of giving up
i thought i was gonna get shit for being too cocky with this

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loving this tag team btw
human and elements cant both be town

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did i say i didnt care about being lynched? i said i wasnt worried about it happening

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because i still have some respect left for this town but it's draining with every post that isnt a vote for elements

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that would be a terrible look, so no

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i wouldnt expect you to buy it no matter what i said, since its not in your best interests
good 'gotcha' moment there though, i commend that

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come on squad, im waiting

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i now invite Cycle Men's scumteam to come here and defend him

thats a great way to write off any possible future dissent against you as "my scumteam"
i like it

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it was something i considered a possibility, that people have slowly morphed into "i was sure this was the scumteam at the time" before i could explain myself

there was one specific post from human that absolutely blocked any chance of him being town from my mind

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excuse me, do you want to be lynched? join the wagon.

this one to be exact
i cant squeeze a single drop of town motivation out of this

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it just screams scum trying to look bold

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remind me who you're claiming the scum team are cycle

you, human, firebringer, a mystery wildcard

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the town motivation is that we want NorwEE to be lynched

mislynched*