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[humaneatingmonkey]

And also why does it seem like he was encouraging a no-lynch at the end of the day? I want to know his POV on that as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, can I get a metaread on Elements and check if he's still playing to his town meta?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I believe in you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Actually I wasn't 100% sure

what's the thing that set you off that wasn't on my ISO?

[humaneatingmonkey]

?

you said nothing in my tunnel had any merit, but then you say here that you weren't 100% sure. so you surely you had something on him that would indicate that he was scum, but you weren't too sure about it. if there was, i would love to hear it. if not, maybe i'm not understanding you? i wouldn't be surprised because you're not really making yourself understandable.

while you're on it, i want to re-quote the questions i have for you that you must have missed:

I'm also curious why Firebringer and Isis bussed and not Alisae.

And also why does it seem like he was encouraging a no-lynch at the end of the day? I want to know his POV on that as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so we have a pattern. i'm not saying what, but there's a pattern.

let's get this obvscum out of the way VOTE: alisae

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is my townblock

humaneatingmonkey
Deimos27
Elements
Isis
Firebringer

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is my lynch order

Alisae
Looker
Green Crayons
NorwegianboyEE

[humaneatingmonkey]

Subject to change

[humaneatingmonkey]

you were voting abr what do you have to complain about

my wagon was obviously for pressure, which was manipulated into a lynch wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why am i talking to you? you're obviously scum lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

guess

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe im scum and im trying to mislynch you

[humaneatingmonkey]

their posts are consistent with a town POV and also their progression is organic.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Idk if scum associations are that obvious, bro. They're usually under at least one level of WIFOM.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you seem obvtown. do you see any reason why you would be scumread?

[humaneatingmonkey]

anyone out there think alisae will flip town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes you give me the heebeejeebees

[humaneatingmonkey]

So why did I not want to bus him earlier in the game?

not the town response here

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think we just need to lynch Monkey, Deimos, Votato, and Norwee.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll interact with you Alisae after I get off work dont worry

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your hammers were the only reason ABR got quicklynched and you're not gonna self-hammer here anyway if you're town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It was an obvious pressure wagon and you're not dumb enough to quickhammer ABR there when there hasn't really been AI-indicative material to sort ABR from.

Unless you had a reason to strongly believe ABR was scum there?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you have a strong reason to believe ABR was scum before you hammered D2?

[humaneatingmonkey]

So why would town hammer there when he hasn't sorted ABR yet and the deadline was nowhere near the finish line AND you have other scumreads?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If it's for information, i might consider you town here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

hahaha lmao alisae

[humaneatingmonkey]

INTENTIONAL MISLYNCHING is your defense? My girlfriend just asked me why I was laughing out loud in front of the computer, thinking I was looking at a silly meme. I didn't know how to explain that you're the silly meme.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nah I'm done here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you have a strong reason to believe ABR was scum before you hammered D2?

Strong?
No

A reason?
Yeah I have one

But its not a strong one

like I actually townread ABR because I thought his reads were townie
hammered him anyways

[humaneatingmonkey]

lynching someone you think is townie when you have other lynchable scumreads is not natural town behavior, bro. surely you would use that allowance for a mislynch on people you think is scum in case you're wrong, right? that's the town mindset because you never know if you'll be right. i see no way town!you would think it's okay to lynch town at around less than 24 hours after deadline without squeezing more out of your scumreads.

instead scum!you would take that opportunity to eliminate ABR because you're widely scumread anyway, and you're willing to take out ABR on your way out.

self-vote, bro.

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

strong response Alisae

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

[humaneatingmonkey]

What town want is to be right and have correct reads.

you're not pushing a read you're pushing a fact LMAO

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

because its easier to say “POST BAD ALI SCUM” then actually explain why the post is bad.

You're not pushing a read, you're pushing a fact!

HAHAHAHAHA

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis/Looker/GC
Deimos27
humaneatinmonkey
votato
Elements
NorwegianboyEE

If your buddies are smart, they're gonna bus ASAP

[humaneatingmonkey]

le 'ol slayer's gambit defense

[humaneatingmonkey]

i hope you're enjoying this as much as we are, alisae

[humaneatingmonkey]

alisae, were you trying to do the slayer's gambit defense?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm going to go case Monkey/Norwee right now

you're not pushing reads. you're pushing a fact! HAHAHAHA omg

[humaneatingmonkey]

Monkey OMGUS' Cycle Men.

it's not OMGUS if we're scumbuddies, right?

first line and you've already destroyed your case because it's an obvious bad faith case.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Monkey OMGUS' Cycle Men.

it's not OMGUS if we're scumbuddies, right?

first line and you've already destroyed your case because it's an obvious bad faith case.

thats not a point as to why you are scum, but rather a re-telling of events

if your re-telling of events has obvious embellished bad faith descriptions on it, it establishes that your case is in bad faith.
lynch yourself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

he is talking about his town game dude.

is e?

[humaneatingmonkey]

controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

he is talking about his town game dude.

is e?

yes

it seemed to me like they were reminiscing about the time they were scum together, and that looker remembered alisae as aggressive, and alisae explained why e is aggressive

[humaneatingmonkey]

I implore town to trust me again in a lynch against Alisae.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements, Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis

You know this is the right lynch. AMA on anyone that's not Alisae because I don't want to deal with her "you're not pushing a read, you're pushing a fact" horse dung anymore.

[humaneatingmonkey]

asking for trust in mafia is a doozy

you're not gonna give it. i'm going to earn it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not though.

You've already demonstrated that you have. Your case against me was so colored with bad faith and misrepresentation that you've gave me nothing to doubt my scumread on you.

The difference between this game and High Noon (a game you didn't even read)
is that in High Noon, I played a game where I took the initiative to do everything and I led mostly every lynch.

in this game, before your vote on Cycle Men, I was playing a very reactionary game that I wasn't really invested in.

You had the hammer on every lynch here. You were leading NorwEE's lynch before I brought it back to Cycle Men. You're not playing passively here, and if you say that you are, there's evidence against it. More proof that this is bullshit.

I was caught off guard by Cycle Men's flip and reacted to it, which is not something I did in High Noon after mislynching, going into night, and killing the other person who scumread me and who I tried to frame as scummy.

And you reacted with a hammer on someone you know IS town, just so you can get a reaction on potential scum? WHEN your scumread is Please. There's no way that's gonna come from town.

The only difference in what you're doing here is that there is no night kill. You're trying to frame me as scummy, A PERSON WHO LEAD THE SCUM LYNCH, just because I scumread you.

As scum with Cycle Men, I don't get myself in that situation that happened on D1. For starters, my entire interaction where I call Cycle Men "scum or bad" and am flip flopping on what to decide my read on him as doesn't happen.

Your word against the flip, Alisae.

Cycle Men doesn't need to align himself with Norwee there, he doesn't need to push me, and I certainly don't react to him the way I did when he pushes that theory and agrees with Norwee. And the way I reacted to Cycle Men was what you could call surprised. Mostly because I was shocked that he was pushing a really absurd theory.

I've already explained why Cycle Men had all the scum motivation to not do the NorwEE lynch, and ACTUALLY caught him because of it.

I'll level with you. The more your partners delay on bussing, the more I'm gonna get the associatives I need to solve this game. You can't lynch me. You can't kill. Give your self a favor and self-vote, because you're gonna lose the more you give yourself speaking time.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: WHEN your scumread is still around?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also no one should hammer me w/o claiming intent, because if it so comes to that, I want to get one last post out with my thoughts before hammer.

HA! You have the solid guts to say this. If you really believe that this is the pro-town move to do, you would have applied this on your logic when hammering ABR and Cycle Men.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Remember that time ABR was mislynched after Cycle Men was lynched because there was no strong associatives established? I want you to remember that when you and your scum team discuss on keeping you around. Lynching yourself MIGHT give your team a chance.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your case against me was so colored with bad faith and misrepresentation that you've gave me nothing to doubt my scumread on you.

You read one line and ignored the entire case completely.

So here's an OPEN invitation to those who are still unclear why that case was in bad faith. Ask me anything.

[humaneatingmonkey]

In other words Elements
He knew that scum was pushing you, so he positioned himself to defend you, because the person he wanted to bus was pushing you

Votecount 1.41

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (6)	Deimos27 (588), humaneatingmonkey (902), Isis (904), Firebringer (1234), Green Crayons (1240), Elements (1245)
Elements (5)	Cycle Men (1002), Alisae (1021), NorwegianboyEE (1101), votato (1187), Albert B. Rampage (1251)
NorwegianboyEE (1)	Looker (456)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

SCUMCLAIM much?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your case against me was so colored with bad faith and misrepresentation that you've gave me nothing to doubt my scumread on you.

You read one line and ignored the entire case completely.

So here's an OPEN invitation to those who are still unclear why that case was in bad faith. Ask me anything.

Quote your posts that explain why Ali is scum.

Or just tell me.

Don’t just quote her posts, I want an explanation.

Ali makes this narrative that I haven't explained but it's really all over my ISO. check it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I need to do some RL work. This was fun. Alisae, talk up some more bullshit so town can win. We can all have a laugh about it post-game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay, I see what's happening here. I just need to wade through the Alisae's scumteam and figure out the five other town I can get on my wagon. Will post high effort content after my editing work today or tomorrow.

By the way, if Alisae is town here, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow. That's how confident I am.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This time scum team is NOT bussing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello folks.

I will sheep whoever hammers Alisae tomorrow.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes, that means you too, Alisae's scum buddy. Whoever you are.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What did I miss!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh hell yes

Let's see who unvotes now.

Will be the most AI thing that happens in this wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Take the shot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Unvote, buddy of Ali. You know you want to.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's get it. Let's open this briefcase.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's see if I'm very very wrong.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Holy shit my hearts beating so fast

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lmao monkey I don’t twilight troll
I’m town

Honestly if you were town, you were so bad.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lmao monkey I don’t twilight troll
I’m town

Honestly if you were town, you were so bad.

I just understand the game more then you and you can’t accept that.
Thats all there is to it really.

You were super wrong from the get-go, starting from scumreading me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't tell me you understand this game because you were remarkably bad if you were town. Let's see post-game what you have to say about it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Doesn’t matter how wrong you are if you win the game

Not only are your reads wrong, you lolhammered someone you townread ON DAY TWO. Imagine that. You didn't even need that flip! Scum flipped on DAY ONE.

[humaneatingmonkey]

At the end of the day, you were lynched, and if you were town, your wrongness and bad plays cost us a mislynch. F, Alisae.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is mislynching a bad thing

A mislynch? It happens. It's part of the game. But making a conscious effort to mislynch as town? You need to cut back on weed.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But you're trolling aren't you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nothing more to say pre-flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Motherfuck.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Thank you Deimos, I appreciate you — no matter what alignment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I also thought the wagon had objective merit and my tunnel was justified. Although I could have used some more of the time to discuss my reads with other people. I was convinced the wagon wasn't happening because scum wasn't bussing. Now, it could still be true, but there was a town POV in which it wasn't.

I'm sorry.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I need to re-read the game and re-collect myself. My morale is low, so my I'm likely to sheep until I find my next tunnel.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That is also true, Deimos. Behavior differs in ever players.

I have decided to give my vote to Deimos for this day. But I will support any Looker wagons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, I think you're scum but I haven't processed why. Do you want to talk me out of it?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm looking at Looker.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay? Tell me.

I'm also in the camp that Norwee could be town here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Have you also said why scum!Norwee means scum!Looker?

[humaneatingmonkey]

How much have you solved the game, you think?

I'm going through your reads today to see if I want to sheep you. Is that okay?

Let's start with scum!Norwee = scum!Looker.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay, tell me more about votato.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, why aren't you interested in taking away my scumread of you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I really don't think being a sheep right now is wrong, or even scummy. I need to understand the reads of the people around me to the point of wanting to follow them, because my current POV has proven to be wrong. It's just a process, and it doesn't mean I'm going to be with you if I don't agree with you.

Also, I'm over it. This is how I'm figuring things out. Now tell me about your reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will sheep whoever hammers Alisae tomorrow.

I have decided to give my vote to Deimos for this day.

Excuuuuuuuse me!

Sorry I lied, Elements.

[humaneatingmonkey]

sheep you because I don't think he will

lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

Alright there's actually a caveat to the "I'll sheep people" and it's I need to understand your read and agree with it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Seriously though does anyone have a read on Isis?
I even went through her meta and the upshot is: bus-heavy drunkposter
Regardless of alignment.
I haven't seen anything strongly AI either way so far.

Bus-heavy, regardless of alignment?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes, it's sheeping. It means I'm not gonna tunnel people I think is scum and listen to other people's cases and join their wagon if I agree with them.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm scumhunting by listening to people and making a decision based on what i hear.

[humaneatingmonkey]

TMI defender

I'm also in this camp. I'm waiting for more stuff to discuss my take on it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This isn't Alisae we're talking about.

Friend request sent.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NowEE tell me about your reads and what you're looking for today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NowEE tell me about your reads and what you're looking for today.

First of all. I would like it if Elements and Isis could explain their vote on me with more detail.

What do you get out of that?

Currently reading GC's post. NorwEE, if you can give a rebuttal on GC's case against you, that would help my reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@human what happedned to your norwee sumread?

x2

I scumread NorwEE because of her switch from analytical to shitposter when the shitposters arrived. That diminished when Cycle Men proved to be scum, and I can't think of a scum narrative for a partner to be as equally belligerent as Cycle Men — because the right move would be to bus. So it fizzled to null.

I buy Deimos' NorwEE town case from Cycle Men and ABR's wagons. I also gather from her tone that she is scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: I also gather from her tone that she is town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If i'm going to be mislynched i would at least like some of the players blind voting me to state their reasons, otherwise it would be a wasted lynch with much less info when i inevitably flip town.

Yes, but I also want to see your gamesolve.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm OK with a norwee lynch. If that flips scum gc is scum. But i prefer a hem lynch. Actually i could see it being hem, norwee, and gc. Maybe deimos too. Deimos has had some really bad posts today

VOTE: norwee

is this a bad post or am i just omgus-ing?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You can't just go from:

here is the alive list sorted from most town to most scum (from my PoV):
votato
humaneatingmonkey
NorwegianboyEE
Deimos27
Isis
Elements
Looker
Green Crayons
Firebringer
Alisae

if there arent at least 2 scum in the bottom 5 names on that list, ill be very sad.

to 2082. It's not a natural progression, especially if you haven't engaged on your read yet.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votato

If votato, then Norwegian is prob town and Deimos is looking suspicious.

I'm going to sheep this. But why would Deimos be suspicious here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Answer key is terrible.

Who do you think TMI'd Alisae? You must agree that at least some of the points raised against Alisae were AI indicative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm sheeping ali today. Simple as that. I'll vote either norwee or hem. I was clearly wrong with that list. Very wrong.

Why were you very wrong? You don't believe in the points you made against Alisae?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm sheeping ali today. Simple as that. I'll vote either norwee or hem. I was clearly wrong with that list. Very wrong.

Why were you very wrong? You don't believe in the points you made against Alisae?

Ali flipped town.

So? We didn't know that. You voted her on the presumption that she was scum. You don't believe that Deimos and I did too?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements don't hammer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can see the votato - Firebringer link now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements don't hammer. We're losing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's take this up to the deadline.

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

whatever. this isn't LYLO. we can still solve this if you mislynch NorwEE. You know that, right?

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

Stop acting like a clown.

You had a bad read. You don't get to lead right now. You are lucky I don't think you are scum doing that.

You think votato is town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

trying to save your buddy?

he did this exact same stuff last town game i played with him.

He heavy focused a player so much, we lynched them. He was town. He acted like there was no way anyone should townread tht player. Then flipped people to scum who thought the person was town.

He is town here.

Ah so you remember me

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh. Don’t respond to my case Norwegian.

Make a case for votato

GC say something about what's going on here. You see it too, right?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: votato

[humaneatingmonkey]

This isn't my scum game. These are my scum game.

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[humaneatingmonkey]

How do you think it's Elements if they were the counterwagon to Cycle Men?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Like, this doesn't make sense for town!Norwee to do?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Votato!scum would point at town!you.

Why is this?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want you to recognize that "Looks like scum trying to throw out anything that works." could also be "Looks like town trying to solve."

[humaneatingmonkey]

I honestly think Norwee flips town here, and that we should be lynching votato instead.

Also, you had Deimos and I as conftown at Day 2. What happened?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You guys should just listen to this:

Votato thinks I'm the towniest town in the block at Day 2, but he's not sheeping my reads because I'm town. He had his own input to it. Now Day 3 starts and I'm scum because he was "very wrong" and that he's sheeping Alisae's reads. If his read of Alisae is sincere, I would expect a reaction more akin to Deimos who still sticks up to their read even though Alisae flips town here. So it's not just his instant flip on me without engaging me that should be seen here, but the insincerity of his Alisae read that should be the highlight here. If we're lynching inside Ali's wagon it should be the one with the slimiest hold.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Y'all killed Ali.

There WAS a reason we lynched Ali. It's because she was scummy. Yes, we were wrong, but it's not like she wasn't consistently scummy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

To be very fair, I also smoke kush every day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

1. Hammering a townread at Day 2, when there's plenty of time before deadline and there's a scum flip e could work with.
2. Saying mislynching is not bad even if it's a townread because we have more space to mislynch anyway.
3. Being incosistent with her reads. Saying e had a reason to scumread ABR, then saying e townread him.
4. The implication that lynching town!ABR eliminates a late game threat (I read this one in passing in this thread)
5. ABR's reads Alisae as scum before he dies.
6. A tone that sounds fake when Cycle Men was hammered.
7. Bad faith confbias case on me with no consistency in the narrative.
8. Saying I'm not pushing a read but "I'm pushing a fact". (WHAT?)
9. Er scum game description completely matching er performance here.

Again, I feel like these are all valid suspicions to be confident in lynching someone. Even more valid than the horrendous ABR lynch. Sure, I tunnelled, but that's because I believed in the tunnel. So you guys should shut it about me lynching Ali.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So here's my read of the situation right now. I think if there's scum in the wagon, it's the one with the slimiest hold (votato). I think the majority of scum went out of my way because I'm self-destructing. And I think at least one scum had TMI townreads on Alisae, and is in {Firebringer, Isis, GC}.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not hard to be a little annoyed if I'm being put down like this for that lynch.

HEM take a back seat to this game awhile. You are not helping town rn.

GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

Stop acting like a clown.

You had a bad read. You don't get to lead right now. You are lucky I don't think you are scum doing that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think there are crumbs of me suspecting hem yesterday.

here is the alive list sorted from most town to most scum (from my PoV):
votato
humaneatingmonkey
NorwegianboyEE
Deimos27
Isis
Elements
Looker
Green Crayons
Firebringer
Alisae

if there arent at least 2 scum in the bottom 5 names on that list, ill be very sad.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Please note that Firebringer hit me with that AtE after I decided to "sheep" your votato read. Please reconsider Firebringer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Spoiler:

1. Hammering a townread at Day 2, when there's plenty of time before deadline and there's a scum flip e could work with.
2. Saying mislynching is not bad even if it's a townread because we have more space to mislynch anyway.
3. Being incosistent with her reads. Saying e had a reason to scumread ABR, then saying e townread him.
4. The implication that lynching town!ABR eliminates a late game threat (I read this one in passing in this thread)
5. ABR's reads Alisae as scum before he dies.
6. A tone that sounds fake when Cycle Men was hammered.
7. Bad faith confbias case on me with no consistency in the narrative.
8. Saying I'm not pushing a read but "I'm pushing a fact". (WHAT?)
9. Er scum game description completely matching er performance here.

Again, I feel like these are all valid suspicions to be confident in lynching someone. Even more valid than the horrendous ABR lynch. Sure, I tunnelled, but that's because I believed in the tunnel. So you guys should shut it about me lynching Ali.

it doesn't bug me that much that you could come to a decision you thought Ali was the best subsequent lynch in that gamestate

it bugs me you felt you needed to do gravestone victory laps and hardplow it
It looks lamisty and "look at how towntunneled I am" to me
if you had that overconfidence in a genuine sense you should be like, "i don't feel bad about getting mislynched for my behavior"" here
but it feels like goalpost yanking to me
i say goalpost yanking but in my mind i am thinking of the 10 yard line pole from football
my little brother taught me a lot about the rules of every sport even tho i didn't wnt him to

I'm "LAMIST-y" in every alignment because I have a "natural town tone". That's not how you'll get to read me.

If you really want to get into my behavior, you need to check out my games. Firebringer is right, I hardtunnel as town. I tried "hardtunneling" as scum but it doesn't really hold up.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well, a town game that really looks like what happened here can be found in:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74541

A town game in which I had a good performance is in:
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=74301

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ehm... spoiler alert on the first town game that I referenced... it's not flattering.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Both scum games feature situations in which I'm trying to hardtunnel someone but I fizzled out because town didn't want to lynch them.
As you can see here with Alisae, this didn't happen.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You can remove the fallacious aspect with a logically coherent approach like "I don't think material legitimately existed in the thread to indicate that ali was town, therefore {FB, Isis, GC} is more likely to contain scum"

Okay, then I'll say that I don't think material legitimately existed in the thread to indicate that Ali was town OUTWIEGHED the material legitimately existed in the thread to indicate that Ali was scum, therefore {FB, Isis, GC} is more likely to contain scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sorry I dont follow

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hmm

[humaneatingmonkey]

im sorry. what posts are dogshit exactly?

[humaneatingmonkey]

FWIW, i didn't say hammer you immediately. i explicitly said take this to deadline. I didn't even realize you were hammered. I was waiting for posts from Looker and Deimos before giving my approval.

Also, Alisae did say that you were scum, and I know for one that I'm town, so your advice of sheeping confirmed town isn't really good.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think it's just me that thinks you're town by now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis — GC, Looker, and NorwEE.
What do you think?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sort me first, please. I want to take a back seat at this game. I think I've been pocketed by scum. I don't trust my intuitions.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ali was wrong and er case was wrong. I don't exclusively think because e was bad. I think it's because I was arrogant and aggressive and there's legitimate reason for town!Ali to be emotional and confbias about it. I'm going to rebut everything and help you sort me. Do you have any questions?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm sorry I don't follow this. Can you rephrase?

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's a false dichotomy and in no way the only ways to behave as town. As I explained, I wanted to get a reaction from Alisae so I can see if it's coming from an authentic place. This includes taunting. Then, I got 100% paranoid because her behavior matched her description of her scum game (pushing cases that are bad faith and controlling the narrative that she has done nothing wrong). I realize now that it's not as obvious to other people because only I have the benefit of knowing I'm town.

I still don't understand why you think that's LAMIST-y. How would you describe LAMIST?

Also I still don't understand the second statement...

[humaneatingmonkey]

the way you interacted with Ali on the previous day did not look conducive to finding eir partners. You had inconsistent messages about what kind of behavior you expected from partners, including playing both sides of em getting bus-hammered or self-hammering while scum stayed offwagon. It looked very xanatos gambitty

I thought I will see Alisae get bussed, but when I didn't see this happening, I got the idea that her parters wouldn't bus her because they're afraid the game is too solvable. Also, I don't know what goes on in the scum daychat.

I wasn't trying to look for Ali's partners because I already had it made that it's Ali > Looker > GC.

[humaneatingmonkey]

and why was accelerating that lynch so good for the game?

I was a bit afk for that part of the game, part of it was the weekend, now I come back and people are saying I TMI townread Ali. I honestly don't even know where I would have settled on em exactly, I don't think town has been setup to have the best information

votato's concern that the blatantly antitown actions are just scum is creeping my paranoia some.

Basically, Alisae who I thought was obvious scum was really tough to lynch as the partners are not bussing. Elements being there was an opportunity to flip the slot, and it could close at any time.

Also you should understand... I lead Cycle Men's lynch Day 1. It got to my head.

Your reaction to the lynch was "awful lynch" and it indicates to me that you were sure that Alisae was town. And I REALLY think it wasn't that obvious.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It looks really lamisty to me, especially for a lynch that wasn't that spicy if it was a redlynch - scum lolhammered a mislynch that wasn't guaranteed to go through, knew it risked being a trade, sometimes that happens, wellplayed

I really want to answer this but I still don't understand it. Rephrase please?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay got it. I buy that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I didn't just "catch" Alisae with VCA. I actually ignore VCA. VCA, or anything with "analysis" in it is not my strong suit. I check authenticity, motivation, and consistency more.

Which I found lacking in her tone, her votes, and in how she frames narratives.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sure it was terrible application of meta, but her saying that she wasn't doing here what she described as her scumgame fucks with me and that also caused a reaction in me in that i felt gaslit by scum and the only proper response is to make sure she gets lynched.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is that all? I'm getting sleepy. I want to squeeze out more of this 1-on-1 so I can see how you'll sort me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's because I'm not scum.

Tell me about your GC read. GC is a guy I can't case, but I have a deep feeling that they're scum. I just don't know what I'm seeing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

itd be cool if NSG showed up...

You're not town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

it seemed to me like he was waiting for our reaction on his flip.

and i still kinda think he'll flip scum lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

not townread enough of it.

Holy shit that's it. I can read his posts, I can see that his logic makes sense, but I don't go "okay he's town."

I don't know how much of that translates into a good read. I'm not gonna lynch him, but I don't trust him. This was why I tried to understand his POV yesterday, but that had a super great ending didn't it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, help me move on lmao. Give me a job to do.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I townread Deimos because he's consistent and organic. And also because we share the same POV.

You should understand that I've yet to make a re-read and reconsider the reads I had pre-votato's flip. I would need to do that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meanwhile, I think Firebringer is town and I'm also not sure what I'm looking at. I guess because he's had good reads? Unfortunately he doesn't really telegraph his read progression, so most of his rightness goes down the drain because he could just be scum TMI (yes, TMI not AK or something). There's a scum!Firebringer theory in which he's pushing the "golden group" to have "one scum in it" so they're positioned to be lynched in LYLO. I guess that would be me or something. I'm not really sure. He could be the partner with the always-bus setting on, so the two can lead mislynches non-stop. irdk this is a crackpot theory i cant prove, but i'm just gonna put it out there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

wut

[humaneatingmonkey]

votato, who would your lynch order be if i'm confirmed town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's assume Firebringer and GC are scum

Firebringer, GC, HEM, Isis, someone outside your golden group right now. HEM/Isis gets lynched. Mafia wins.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fire, I want to locktown you and sheep your reads, but you don't really telegraph them and your "% chance in top 5 of activity" is really sketchy as hell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

or even Fire, GC, Isis, HEM, and let's say Deimos, where there is only one scum left (Firebringer)
You lynch Deimos for being outside the golden group.
Then you lynch the HEM.
2 mislynches. Mafia wins.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"never following through" i literally voted votato.

[humaneatingmonkey]

also why would that be a bad look? why is that scum indicative?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You said there was a second good vote, and that's what I thought was the good vote.

I'm not stupid. I'm not gonna sheep someone so blindly. I at least want to get behind the reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It’s manipulative.

Okay, so would that necessarily be scum-indicative for me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, my vote was not the defining vote on Day 3. You guys had majority and Norwee and you didn't push it. YOU didn't push it. You didn't PUSH it. If you wanted so, you could have made the lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: You guys had majority on Norwee

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not the headline today, GC.

But sure if you want the airtime,
I only used it once to motivate a hammer on Alisae, a person I scumread. I was sincere that I wanted to sheep your reads. If you made the executive decision to push me to vote Norwee, I would have. I was not a big factor on you lynching votato in that moment. All you had to do was not hammer. And right now, I am sincere that I wanted to sheep Firebringer if he gives me satisfaction in his answers. He's had great read accuracy so far, and I want to know what he wants to do.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think the scum team is still:
Norwee/Elements/Deimos

If you have townreads on any of those 3 right now. Let us argue about them now.

I will reconsider Deimos if you bring me a scum flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC, why are you pushing my "sheeping" right now? You understood the meaning of it when you gave me your Norwee case. You even told me not to sheep you. You seemed to agree when I explained that I want to understand your reads first. That has not been manipulative.

Why are you trying to paint me as manipulative?

[humaneatingmonkey]

No, but you're painting me as manipulative when there was no manipulation when I told you I was going to sheep you. I was upfront about my intentions.

[humaneatingmonkey]

FB what do you think about this? I will believe 100% of what you say if you give what I'm saying a fair view.

[humaneatingmonkey]

GC is out here saying I've manipulated him and I'm manipulative when I said I'm going to sheep him, but in fact, I explained what I meant by "sheeping" him (understanding his reads first) and now he shades me for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What is it i need to give fair view?

Isolate to GC and HEM

#2044 - #2102
And back to current time when he shades me for being manipulative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

not a fair view at all.

Isis, what do you think about it?

[humaneatingmonkey]

im honestly just wanting to highlight this in case i forget about it later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

dont worry im not gonna attempt to push GC today. i'm gonna go with the flow today and decide in each wagon. but i still want you to see things when i see them.

[humaneatingmonkey]

man, can you explain why you think there's scum in your golden group, but not really trying to lynch inside there now when it's not LYLO? am i not seeing a genius angle in your golden group?

[humaneatingmonkey]

cause honestly #1542 gives me the heebeejeebees.

[humaneatingmonkey]

your townreads are based on activity, and it doesn't feel right, man.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay but so far i haven't really townread GC. Can you show me which posts did you get your epiphany?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, thoughts please?

What is it i need to give fair view?

Isolate to GC and HEM

#2044 - #2102
And back to current time when he shades me for being manipulative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votato flips town, he said.
But pleaseee pleaassee pleaaase show me afterwords why GC is town. It will give me peace of mind.
I will sheep you regardless, but I really need to feel safe about it.
I think town!you, having good track record of your reads, will bring me scum.
And I think scum!you, for fear of losing town's trust in LYLO, will also bring me scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis, please, I prepared the link for you. All you have to do is Ctrl+F 2044.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82922&user_select% ... &start=400

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uhm

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay I have solved the game I'm definitely wrong sorry guys.

[humaneatingmonkey]

To confirm my reads, I want to sheep Firebringer and see where that leads me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not really trying to prove that I've solved the game. I'm still trying to get better reads, and I'll get better reads if I see what results Firebringer will bring.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scum or town, I think Firebringer will deliver scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scum!Firebringer is potentially trying to earn trust for LYLO, so he will bus.
or Town!Firebringer has good reads, so he will lynch scum.

Both of these scenarios means we'll have scum this day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao she'll just ~ the whole page until she gets her pagetop.

[humaneatingmonkey]

who's your scumteam?