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Elements, Isis, Lav, Hiraki
Also Innocent.. although I don't exactly remember if I played with you or replaced you before, but I do remember the name and avi.
And hello to everyone else (who obviously don't know me unless they're an alt)
As always, give me a few to get all caught up.
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I know this is going to be look like fluff (or someone is going to call it forced..), but ANYWAY; I want to know what you meant here (if it was a joke, just say so).
P-edit: Oh. OK. I'll check that one in a bit.
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If sh already got the lunch I'm going to turn around and walk out that door. I only came in because I was told Ruby's cooking was superb.
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OK. That was fun (page 1 only so far).
I usually keep track of votes in some manner, but that's going to be tedious in this game (with the multi-vote thing, because I use players names to verify each one appears and appears only once, which is not applicable here).
Also, did anyone double-check with the mod already about how the "no resetting votes" work? Because it could be that one elimination leads to multiple eliminations in sequence here. (ex: someone hits 8 votes with someone else @7, so the first one gets eliminated and then the lynch threshold is now 7 and it results in the second person also getting eliminated.)
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Was gonna comment. Decided not to.
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Explain your exact thought process here. When was the last game you played in which you were supposed to confirm your ROLE in the main thread???In post 27, innocentvillager wrote:I thought we were supposed to confirm our actual role LOL then I realized it was public and I was like ehhh whatever
Anyway I feel I should be cleared because obviously I wouldn't "confirm VT" to the mod if I'm actually mafia goon.
And I'll claim it publicly in the thread... I'm a VANILLA TOWNIE.
1st suspect, cleared!
UNVOTE: innocentvillager
1 down, 9 to go!
FoS: IV
P.S. Also in that game (Open 734) you were Mafia, so I probably didn't see your town game.
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What's wrong with ending the game? Isn't that what we are actually playing for???In post 31, Isis wrote:I wanted to vote everyone and then unvote as I started townreading people like innocentvillager, then I thought about it and realized if everyone did that the game would immediately end. So it's kind of selfish.
innocentvillager is removing people so rapidly it might not be so disruptive.
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FGS, explain what you see. I can't even decide if you're being serious or joking here.
P.S. This is the first AI post I make. Well, not AI per se, but -at least- you can conclude I am not scum with IV here. 12 more to disassociate myself with in order to become an IC.
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Oh, OK. I just fell lost already because none of the posts I read so far feel informative at all, and I need to dig my feet into the game or I'll lose interest and become useless.In post 318, innocentvillager wrote:
lol I’m obviously trollingIn post 316, Almost50 wrote:Explain your exact thought process here. When was the last game you played in which you were supposed to confirm your ROLE in the main thread???
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For referenceIn post 37, Ruby Red wrote:Votecount 1.1
Target Wagon hellbooks(L-4)Marksman, Hiraki, innocentvillager, Elements Marksman(L-5)hellbooks, Hiraki, innocentvillager Nono(L-6)Isis, innocentvillager Isis(L-6)innocentvillager, Marksman Hiraki(L-7)Marksman Chemical Elements(L-7)innocentvillager spicer1209(L-7)innocentvillager WeyounsLastClone(L-7)innocentvillager Casey(L-7)innocentvillager Hayasaka(L-7)innocentvillager ileileile(L-7)innocentvillager Lavender(L-7)innocentvillager innocentvillager(L-7)Marksman Not Voting(8)Nono, Chemical Elements, spicer1209, WeyounsLastClone, Casey, Hayasaka, ileileile, Lavender
With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
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Why not Pt?
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Being Egyptian myself I do like Isis.. a LOT.In post 42, Hiraki wrote:Yeah, I don't like Isis either.
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Oh, Hiraki is Set
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Unlike the cruel other players, who demand that you TR them, I require only that you sheep.In post 47, Isis wrote:Wanting to sheep a slot and thinking it is town aren't always in lockstep. Sometimes I want to sheep stops until it seems they aren't finding me scum then kill them if I think it's a good player.
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Actually; Hester is the one who quotes 2 posts of the same player and calls one SCUM and the other Town. I mean, you didn't even say "Scummy" (which would not necessarily mean they are Mafia, as Town player also do scummy things). Instead; you outright called her Scum. Do you believe Isis received double-roles?In post 51, Marksman wrote:
scumIn post 47, Isis wrote:Wanting to sheep a slot and thinking it is town aren't always in lockstep. Sometimes I want to sheep stops until it seems they aren't finding me scum then kill them if I think it's a good player.
townIn post 49, Isis wrote:Any I was going to state that my take is that Elements is townier than Hiraki, but Hiraki is townish too. So it'd be flipped for me.
jesterIn post 50, innocentvillager wrote:congratulations
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In post 52, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Fun started without me!
vote: innocentvillager
I guess voting for everyone gets things going, but as long as it includes me it can't be a correct list
If IV is Town there's a >rand that 1-2 of these are scum here.In post 66, Chemical Elements wrote:VOTE: Nono
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: spicer1209
VOTE: Casey
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Lavender
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Cool. Now tell us WHY!
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What does the quote have to do with the unvote? And if there's a missing quote, please point it out. (To clarify, hb unvoted marks; the only one she was voting at the time)In post 56, hellbooks wrote:
HUH???In post 27, innocentvillager wrote:I thought we were supposed to confirm our actual role LOL then I realized it was public and I was like ehhh whatever
UNVOTE:
marksman seems like eager town
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Same problem as above. You are quoting IV and voting Lav. Why? Also, how does the mod spew someone as town? How did you get to that conclusion?In post 56, hellbooks wrote:
modspewed elements as town ?? : )In post 40, innocentvillager wrote:@mod I am not voting Elements (that slot is obvtown), thank you.
fixed.
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VOTE: lavender
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Reported.In post 65, Isis wrote:In fairness some people say puns are the single lowest form of humor
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Can you speak Aleut?? If so, consider me asking you -in Aleut- why you picked these specific people to vote at once.
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What did you find so townie in hb's 56??In post 68, Marksman wrote:
scumIn post 52, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Fun started without me!
vote: innocentvillager
I guess voting for everyone gets things going, but as long as it includes me it can't be a correct list
townIn post 54, Lavender wrote:I didn't see the extra pages. O.o
townIn post 56, hellbooks wrote:snip
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
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??? I get that this is likely a joke alright, but it's freaking odd phrasing (to say there are "at least" 2 scums in ONE PAIR!)In post 69, Marksman wrote:Suspicious of Elements and Chemical Elements being similarly named. I don't trust it one bit. Seems a little too convenient to be a coincidence.
Likely to be at least 2 scum there.
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They look more like a shack and a speedball pole to me.In post 70, Isis wrote:Is the left character in your avatar "chemical", and the right one "elements"?
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*Looks back at the Au/Ag post and ponders*In post 72, Isis wrote:Elements rolled scum with Chemist1422 in a game I modded, if he rolled scum with Chemical Elements this game he upped his game even further.
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Unfortunately I don't have Mandarin (or any other Asian language) installed on my PC, so I can't see them in ASCII (as opposed to painted in pictures).In post 74, Chemical Elements wrote:
No. The whole thing is the character for Polonium, a random element I chose from the periodic table to be my avatar. In Mandarin, chemical elements would beIn post 70, Isis wrote:Is the left character in your avatar "chemical", and the right one "elements"?
化學元素, with化學meaning chemistry and元素meaning elemental.
Now THIS is the Mandarin I am most familiar with:
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Should I start worrying about IV being LHF? He certainly didn't seem like it in Open 734, but I fail to see why he's the leading wagon.In post 76, Ruby Red wrote:Votecount 1.3
Target Wagon innocentvillager(L-3)Marksman, WeyounsLastClone, Lavender, hellbooks, Chemical Elements hellbooks(L-5)Hiraki, innocentvillager, Elements Nono(L-5)Isis, innocentvillager, Chemical Elements Isis(L-5)innocentvillager, Marksman, Chemical Elements Lavender(L-5)innocentvillager, hellbooks, Chemical Elements Marksman(L-6)Hiraki, innocentvillager spicer1209(L-6)innocentvillager, Chemical Elements Casey(L-6)innocentvillager, Chemical Elements WeyounsLastClone(L-6)innocentvillager, Marksman Hiraki(L-7)Marksman Chemical Elements(L-7)innocentvillager Hayasaka(L-7)innocentvillager ileileile(L-7)innocentvillager Not Voting(5)Nono, spicer1209, Casey, Hayasaka, ileileile
With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
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'nother sus vote on IV, and I now am convinced this slot must be town (and more importantly that the wagon is scumdriven. I just can't decide which of the voters is the actual scum yet).
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Can't blame you for this one. I checked the ISO and he had NOTHING prior to that, I see he has more to offer later though, so I will wait to see what I can find from it.
Oh, forgot to say this:
@People who don't know me:I always like to catch up by reading posts in the order they were made. I only use ISOs to remind me of what I had already read before. As a rule of the thumb: whatever I'm responding to is how far I've read.
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This is almost a scum claim from my PoV.In post 87, Marksman wrote:@all - Almost time for the first dunk. Should be innocentvillager for the fake/forced tone.
As a matter of fact, I am willing to vote marks, Nono, and hellbooks. I also don't mind voting any of the other people I talked about in my 328 post, but I doubt Lav is aligned with either of WLC ot hellbooks (whom I've corrected her name TWICE from "hellbox", so if I ever appear to be calling her that you know it's not intended.)
You know what?
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Nono
VOTE: hellbooks
VOTE: WLC (The full version of that name is too annoying to type)
Chemical Elements gets a pass for now (sheeping Elements)
I am also warming up to vote for spicer & Hayasaka (they have yet to post at this point, but I will wait to see when and what they post.
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So as not to confuse myself; I shall respond to newer posts directed at me when I get to them in the natural order
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Hold the freak up/ Casey hadn't posted either, but I could have sworn someone said the found her townie!! I SHOULD NEVER EVEN GLIMPSE ON NEW POSTS when I am catching up.
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First; pressure votes never work if you outright say they're for pressure. Second; this is no ordinary game, and -as long as someone else is alead- nobody actually feels "pressured" (unless they're close enough to get eliminated once the leading wagon does hit the threshold). To elaborate: When you votes someone in an ordinary game it means your vote is OFF everyone else. That's one less vote towards the threshold. Here, you could be voting EVERYONE, and it makes no difference (it works as if we all became hated).In post 97, Marksman wrote:Wey said he found them suspicious. I'm not saying they're suspicious, I'm voting to pressure them to post. Clear difference.
What bad news did I try and deflect?
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Check the votes on IV and show me one good vote (one with what looks like good reasoning).In post 101, Chemical Elements wrote:
I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.In post 96, Hiraki wrote:Don't you think your efforts would be better suited to saying something rather than playing back-up mod all of the time? I'm not trying to discourage it - just noting that you've now done it 3 times on one page with the mod also providing a vote count above. I also still don't know whatyouthink after all of it.
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He's an "Hiraqi from Baghdad"In post 121, Marksman wrote:Are you a Hiraki fanboy? (I won't judge)
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*Sigh* The guys already hinted "something", and IIn post 124, Hiraki wrote:THEY DIDN'T POST ANYTHING, WHAT ELSE COULD HE BE SUSPICIOUS OF?immediatelygot the hint. I trust all three have posted by now (although one appears to have posted only once??) so the problem should be solved. I'd get sus of someone who was avoiding this game but posting elsewhere. I'd be sus of someone who appeared to be online and then went off line without posting in the game. You actually CAN suspect people without them posting AT ALL in some cases, yes.
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Here she is (and judging by how many females are actually in this game I regret the decision to join in as A50 when I could have had a hell of a time playing under AP)In post 131, Hayasaka wrote:Ok so I thinking joining this game when I am hard pressed to form scum reads was likely a bad idea.
VOTE: Chemical Elements
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
I like these 2 votes in particular, I don't have any strong town reads.
Chemical Elements is playing like a wolf would I don't like the enterance voting 6 people, wolves tend to try and form wolf reads more aggressively because they think they have to, Weyouns town read Chemical for a very bad and null enterance, essentially 2 posts at time.
Note: AP is an alt of mine and is short for AUSTIN POWERS (it's in my sig). Can you imagine how awesome that would have been? Absolutely shagadelic baby, yeah!
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Funnily enough I do agree with the premise that town do that, but I still SR Nono for the vote pattern.In post 134, Marksman wrote:Nono's nulltown because of this sequence. They say I'm town and then come back 20min later to say they changed their mind. town do these kind of consecutive posts where they change their mind with no posts from others between them more often than scum do.
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Arrr.. errr.. what?? This should certainly have been reflected on the rules!In post 168, Marksman wrote:I think you get modkilled if you post too often. At least, that's what Ruby Red told me when I messaged her about it earlier.
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In post 177, Lavender wrote:Er hm.
What to do. -o-
I like Elements since they posted VC |.o) (Chemical Elements and Elements are the Same People Yeah?)
Briefly skimmed the debate on the previous few pages, well didn't understand it. (o.o;)
Hmm...thoughts blank will reboot.
Lav, hon. Do NOT EVER change. I just LOVE how naive you could be sometimes (I would've thought you might be faking it if I didn't know you from other games)
First and foremost: Check the players list. There are TWO players on that list; one by the name Elements (the one with an avi that looks like a Pokemon but really isn't) and the other by the name Chemical Elements (the one with Chinese writings on the avi)
Second: I love how you're almost always lost and don't know what to do.
Oh, and skimming most certainly won't help, but I'm not complaining because I feel like I'm dealing with a child here (no offense intended. In fact it was meant as a praise.. erm.. someone may even suspect I'm actively trying to "pocket" you here, but I don't care.)
So, anyway.. I want you to explain to me why you are voting IV (or at least "were" at the time)/ Could you please do that for me?
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Houston, we got a problem! This alien speaks NOT a language of Earth.In post 179, Casey wrote:@Hiraki, stating that a house is blue after the pictures on Zillow clearly show it's red doesn't help your perception of a rug-sweeper in the least-bit. And then you go on to be like, "Why are we even debating the green house? Focus on actual issues," is entirely disingenuous.
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Stop starring at my bum!In post 182, Casey wrote:The house is red.
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Oh! I spoke too fast. I thought you were talking about the issue if.. NVM. Carry on.In post 183, Casey wrote:"153 might as well be throwing darts at a board in how much information it gives."
"Good analogy? Do you even want to try and figure out the game or just post your opinions and peace out?"
How would you describe those posts other than trying to get people to ignore and discount me?
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I think I'm going to "mark" you down as a troll!In post 184, Marksman wrote:I feel bad. I was kidding. Ruby Red doesn't care about hyperposters.
In fact, she actually expressed her love for them when she messaged me. I think she might grant them 1-shot dunkproof or something.
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You would think so, but Town!lav does that kind of thing (or lurks). I haven't seen her scum game though, so I'm not quite sure if it's AI.In post 188, Marksman wrote:Just to check: You're kidding, right?
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On the very contrary, I am actually becoming a bid fan of hers. I think I'm going to join more games with her because she makes laugh (she kinda reminds me of my sister-in-law whom I just adore)In post 191, Casey wrote:Lavender makes me feel sad.
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Um... I've just checked your topics. Did you really stop playing since 2012? Is this your first game in 8 years?? Geez! I seem to ALWAYS have a playstyle clash with the "old guard", so..In post 257, WeyounsLastClone wrote:
Ah, okay, thanks; I misremembered then, thought it was werewolf/mafia jumping in last minute to lynch with fellow scum.In post 253, Marksman wrote:Bus means voting/pushing for a scum partner. I think you mean just being opportunistic in general.
UNVOTE: WLC until I can figure you out.
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Also both Hayasaka & Casey are now active (or semi-active) so I may not vote there today. I am eying a vote on Spicer still though. Isis made a good point about this being a limited time game and lurking does us more harm than usual.
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I will try to keep my vote-spread limited on the opening 2-3 days. I do not wish to have a double-elimination by chance. I suggest other players consider this too. 3-4 votes are good enough for me personally.
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Quoting this for 2 reasons:In post 275, Ruby Red wrote:Votecount 1.8
Target Wagon spicer1209(L-2)innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman, Casey, hellbooks, Isis Nono(L-3)innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Hiraki, WeyounsLastClone, Elements WeyounsLastClone(L-3)innocentvillager, Marksman, Nono, Hayasaka, Casey Almost50(L-3)innocentvillager, Casey, WeyounsLastClone, Isis, Chemical Elements innocentvillager(L-4)Marksman, Lavender, Chemical Elements, Nono Chemical Elements(L-4)innocentvillager, hellbooks, Hayasaka, Isis hellbooks(L-5)Hiraki, Elements, Isis Isis(L-5)Marksman, Chemical Elements, Elements Elements(L-5)Casey, Hiraki, Marksman Lavender(L-6)innocentvillager, Chemical Elements Hiraki(L-6)Marksman, Casey Hayasaka(L-6)innocentvillager, hellbooks Casey(L-7)innocentvillager Marksman(L-7)Hiraki Not Voting(3)spicer1209, Hayasaka, Almost50
With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-16 14:58:59) until the dead walk the Earth.
Almost50 replaces ileileile.
1- Not gonna vote Spicer in case Nono is scum and scum are trying to save their p by driving a wagon on the lurker (although that would be a bad move since votes do not reset).
2- To say WELCOME to my best pal, Almost50. Since I joined MS there has not been a single game where he wasn't in the same game as me. *Nod*
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Also on that vote count: The "trio" of IV/Casey/Isis/CE are on BOTH lurker wagons (calling my slot a lurker before I joined in) which suggests either town with the firm belief scum are lurking, or scum trying to save their pal.
A closer look shows WLC was voting me (but not Spicer) AND voting Nono simultaneously. I guess I was right unvoting there.
Marks is voting Spicer, but not me. He is voting WLC over Nono though. Hmmm...
hellbooks is on Spicer, and ONLY Spicer out od the top 4 wagons. WHY? <<@hellbooks
In fact, what is the difference between ileile and Spicer, given each has posted only once with no content at all??
Nono is only voting WLC. Is this you ONLY SR still? Who would you suspect if WLC was eliminated and flipped red?@Nono
Isis is voting both lurkers, but she's also voting 2 of the voters (CE & hb). Also would like a clarification here, please.@Isis
IV looks like a VI in this VC, voting all top 4 wagons. (!!!)
Casey & CE are voting both lurkers + one of the other 2 top wagons *Casey on WLC & CE on Nono). amd I don't know what to make of this.
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I xan get the unvote, but calling the slot town is beyond my comprehension. Help?
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@IV:
This is the ONLY post I found for Spicer. You call that a Townie entrance? Tell me why this is AI at all.In post 199, spicer1209 wrote:Late to the party. Who should I vote?
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And yes, scum can bus a useless partner too, y'know, so the big wagon on them isn't exactly a good argument either. I am only holding bc I SR Nono and the Spicer wagon "could" have been a CW. Look how all wagons seem to be dissipating now that the lead has been taken by WLC.
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In Nightless with no PRs and no NKs the only thing that's left for you analyze 9aside from a players own posts) is the VC
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Rushing the first elimination is almost always one. It denies people the chance to develop their reads and consider different possibilities. If it was up to me I'd say we eliminate around the 6th day and then every 18-24 hours from then on, but I don't own the thread and I can't force my theories on everyone else.In post 348, Marksman wrote:How exactly is that a scumclaim?
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You're not oldgurad, but we obviously do have a playstyle clash all the same.In post 353, Marksman wrote:Pressure votes do work in this game actually. Votes aren't reset after a dunk. So, the person knows that vote is there to stay until they can do something that gets it removed.
UNVOTE: Marksman
This wagon isn't going anywhere today anyway.
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Are you saying ALL scum (or at least 3) were on it at it's peak??In post 359, innocentvillager wrote:and not a soul other than me is defending the spicer wagon which has been sitting at L-2.
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Inexperienced scum, or players known to be trolls. Now I dunno about Spicer so can't call them a troll, and can't tell if they're good at scum either, so I considered that entrance NAI.In post 360, innocentvillager wrote:like what scum comes in late and goes "HURR DURR I'M LATE WHO SHOULD I WAGON GUYS" and just ghosts the game without anything else
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Me. Unfortunately, we can't even ask for that, but my vote is cemented there for as long as we're both alive.In post 372, Hiraki wrote:Kind of want Nono to be modkilled.
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