Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

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Hiiiiiiiiiiii
-Noraabear

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really have a hard time seeing the point in this question shelly welly. I am town but scum me would def be saying I am town here as well so.....

also Taylor and I skimmed the thread a teeny tiny bit and we both agree that Johnny is really fishy. Was mostly Taylor tho so she should come explain instead of me.

-Noraabear

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Also, someone break down the game state into like a paragraph or something for me please, thanks I'm not reading 40 pages

-Noraabear

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hi im here. i read a little bit of the first few pages. got townpings from shelly and yessiree for mechtalk, but mini seemed sketchy in the conversation. shelly and yessiree seemed genuine and pushing pro-town agendas, while mini seemed to be pushing something that sounded good and would make scum's lives easier. i dont know what you went with but it seems that town should busdrive in the scum to town range to fuck with the night kill and cop should check in the nulls to minimize odds of getting busdriven.

-swizzle

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hmm ok. are there key points in the game i/we should read to get a grasp on things? what are we being scumread for? why those solves?
-swizz

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why do you think im pushing a protown agenda along with yesiree? who flipped btw

1039 seems a very vague post

i read it a few hours ago while we were deciding whether to rep in. so it is a bit vague. but i wrote that down. im not good at reading into mech tbh. but it seemed like you went out of your way to suggest a plan that made it more difficult for scum to act, and MV pushed against it. yess could have gone with MV to make their life easier, but instead supported your plan. to me that indicates town.
-swiz

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scum!JV is a lot more conservative and less high energy

this is a lie. I saw a game a while back where Jacko had 1000+ posts and won the game as scum

-Noraabear

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without having read the thread i dont see how we can hypoclaim without full claiming. give us some time to read up?
-swi

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I'm obvtown

that would be an interesting change from the norm.
-sw

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theres nothing much of a highlight reel in this game, its not the most exciting lol

N_M is N_M
I'm obvtown
A50 has been playing to town meta so far (?) and is on board with my solve
bingle has been protown and giving their takes often and also having a really solvey tone since they repped in imo
derp was the d1 elim
froppy is null and hasn't said much at all
johnny is a scumbucket for flailing basically and having inconsistent and unexplained trajectories
MWNN is townlean because of poe and how they vibe together with A50
MV is rather obvious town as explained, proactivity to further the game with their reads and mech, spent time to make a master plan to try catch scum!me, really fleshed out reads
profmaf is a lurker who only knows to omgus me and doesn't explain any of their thoughts in detail or elaborate on anythin
yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

who pushed the wagon? from what ive seen derp is a gimmick alt where the gimmick makes it LHF?
-s

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that would be an interesting change from the norm.
-sw

actually in fairness I'm not getting UTRd really?

i got pushed to E-2 yesterday and now nka's rather clearing of me + I'm getting people to sheep me on my solve

who pushed your wagon to E-2? what were the other competing wagons?

-se

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i got pushed to E-2 yesterday and now nka's rather clearing of me + I'm getting people to sheep me on my solve

im assuming that its not you that says NKA clears you, right?
-sen

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Also, shelly if ur so convinced we are scum, why do I feel like you are just trying to pocket us will all this ... IIoa or whatever?

plus based on your descriptions and stuff, it literally just sounds like our predecessor was a juicy LHF.

-Noraabear

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ok in that case what are your other reads and why? walk me through the solves?

i did read through our predecessor's iso and... i do see why we are on L-2, but isnt it at least half personality rather than actual play? why would scum be so openly hostile and disagreeable?

-senp

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I'm helping you to understand the game so I can re-evaluate you

at the same time, pocketing replacements is easy. Taylor done pocketed me in the last game I repped into >:(

-Noraabear

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yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

doesnt this somewhat clear profmaf? isnt profmaf in one of the solves? why?

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yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

doesnt this somewhat clear profmaf? isnt profmaf in one of the solves? why?

-senp

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I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

wow that didnt take long. quoting this into iso. obviously ^ was noraa

-senpa

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VOTE: Johnny

I'd rather find out which one it is rather than killing a policy

can you pls compromise on elbirn
we can get johnny tmr as they're in my solve as well but elbirn is like. more consensus scum than johnny 100%

why is someone being consensus a good reason for someone to scumread them?
-senpai

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this feels like a 6p more

swizzy pop can you give us a readslist asap

personally ill need to engage with people to develop reads. i dont think either of us is inclined to read 40 pages. i think both of us are willing to read particular parts that are important. but in terms of "playing from here" we've really only engaged with you so far, and without knowing how other people view the interaction its hard to gauge.
- senpai t

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noraa is signing her posts normally, so the swizzled signings are mine
-senpai taylor

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froppy what are your reads? do you think scum is lurking, or just quietly keeping the game on its current track?
-senpai swiz-biz

also youre welcome for getting you into anime. just remember, anime is trash and ur waifu is shit.

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VOTE: Johnny

I'd rather find out which one it is rather than killing a policy

what do you mean by which one? do you mean one of the two solves? if so, why would you think its either solve if you also think town is on the wrong track and scum is just accepting it?
-senpai swift

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so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

altslip x 1

it was noraa's fault

(-this is obviously noraa confessing)

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Froppy, what are your reads/takes?

I've only seen like the same 5 people speak since I repped in so I feel town is either on the right track or mafia is happy with our sus lists

Actually idk why that would mean that town is on the right track

froppy what are your reads? do you think scum is lurking, or just quietly keeping the game on its current track?
-senpai swiz-biz

also youre welcome for getting you into anime. just remember, anime is trash and ur waifu is shit.

I think town is on the right track and mafia have put up a good fight

but just above you said you dont think town is on the right track and mafia is probably coasting, right?

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^ -the swizz

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I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

Please use your hydra to quote this so we can see it on your ISO and no it isn't but this is a dumb post

- JV

i did. im taylor swizzle

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Swizzle Pop (hydra of Noraa and Tayl0r Swift) replaces Elbirn. Welcome!

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

- JV

JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
don't replace out otherwise I'll be sad

-Noraabear

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I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

wow that didnt take long. quoting this into iso. obviously ^ was noraa

-senpa

Nevermind you did so. Please blatantly make it obvious who is posting, because swizzle and senpa means nothing to me.

- JV

sorry. i figured everyone would know that taylor swift is sometimes referred to as T. Swizzle. noraabear is signing all her posts in a normal/boring manner.

-taytay

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Swizzle Pop (hydra of Noraa and Tayl0r Swift) replaces Elbirn. Welcome!

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

- JV

JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
don't replace out otherwise I'll be sad

-Noraabear

im also a little hurt that theres no TAYYYYYLORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. dony you care about me JV?

-The taylor swift

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oh and noraa as well

im referring to bats

Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

noraa is deadly good at scum and swizzle is pretty good as well so eh

HOW RUDE. U FORGOT UR SCUMBUDDY FROM BATS >:(
HMPH
-nice points immediately

"deadly good at scum"
*looks at my scum games*
died day 3 "good effort Noraa"
died day 3 "you tried Noraa"

-Noraabear
died day 3 "its alright Noraa ur still a noob"
died day 2 "you played well"
AHA soooo good

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so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

altslip x 1

it was noraa's fault

(-this is obviously noraa confessing)

don't frame me >:(

Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

noraa is deadly good at scum and swizzle is pretty good as well so eh

Though she has scum-tells, saying you want to push for their elimination still even if you could just easily switch to PM or Johnny and have the replacement still change the situation. Not sure how I feel about how you deathtunnel the current wagon without thinking of why sometimes that's a bad idea.

- JV

death tunneling .... idk. I think its a shelly town tell as she's always overly confident for no apparent reason when she's town. idk I want to talk to Taylor about it cuz I either am 100% sure of Shellys alignment thru my expert soul reads(nah I've just played with her a lot) OR I can't tell at all. normally its the "I can't tell category" that leans one way a bit but flip flops a lot.

-Noraabear

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TAYYYYYYYYYYYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

- JV

oh wow clear and obvious pocket attempt

i mean err... thanks thats much better

-taller swipht

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Noraa and I go wayyyyyyyy back

go all the way back to my first role pm and my first reply of "I'm confused" and a Jacko on the other end like "huh what's up with this girl?"

-Noraabear

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Are you thinking that mafia is just coasting?

im not sure yet. but thats what you said earlier, and then here youre saying the opposite. so im just trying to understand your perspective

-suwiffd

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You know what OR means right?

but then you said you werent sure how it would indicate that town was in a good spot. i guess my question is: why do you think town is on the right track when youre saying the gamestate suggests we are on the wrong track?

-taehlor

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but why and what changed?
-taytay

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Jacko you have turned on the Taylor random name generator :/
best of luck.

-Noraabear

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but why and what changed?
-taytay

I wasn't scum reading you, but you have been squirming and I don't really see you trying to figure out the game state.

Heyyy. what's ur read on the game and why.

-Noraabear

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Johnny is a hard scum read for me, your slot continue to seem to try to be opportunistic and I am fairly certain that town has caught scum

Ok but why. Throwing some names out means nothing.

-Noraabear

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Also if we are being "opportunistic", why'd u remove ur vote when there is more support on this wagon?

-Noraabear

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why don't you read the game if you actually plan on solving

Im not reading 40 pages. I sincerely do not care what you say about it but I am not reading all that. You want me to skim an ISO or read a few certain pages, I'll do it but I aint going thru and reading 40 pages.

-Noraabear

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but why and what changed?
-taytay

I wasn't scum reading you, but you have been squirming and I don't really see you trying to figure out the game state.

really? if we arent trying to figure out the game state then what are all our questions about? or do you mean our predecessor? and when you say you werent scumreading us does that mean you are now?

-S Twizzle

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Johnny is a hard scum read for me, your slot continue to seem to try to be opportunistic and I am fairly certain that town has caught scum

how are we being opportunistic? what wagons are we pushing or latching on to opportunistically?
-F Mizzle

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You see me as the weakest player so you are trying to get the wagon thrown onto me, that is your goal. Not to try and solve, not to figure out the game state, you are being opportunistic.

I paid legit zero attention to you until you started being all weird. Taylor and I both dislike ur slot rn.

-Noraabear

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You see me as the weakest player so you are trying to get the wagon thrown onto me, that is your goal. Not to try and solve, not to figure out the game state, you are being opportunistic.

but we havent said that you're scum. we're just asking questions of you, and everyone else. we are trying to get into the game and figure out whats what. we both are coming to scumread you, but its not locked in. i dont see why a townie would give two options, then pick one, then reverse to the other one immediately. and you dont seem to want to give us a readlist which is odd.

-P Dwizzle

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froppy can you start by walking us through your scumread on johnny?

also does that mean you dont scumread us now?

-literally taylor swift

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Plus, using u being a weak player as a reason to throw random shade at us is weak.

-Noraabear

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Which option did I reverse?

its either town is in a bad place or a good place. you said good place didnt make sense (implicitly choosing the other option), but then immediately changed to thinking town was in a good place after all. i dont understand the underlying thought process there.

-tay is lor

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what's hypo claim even mean?

-Noraabear

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are we only hypoclaiming our bus or also our cop action?

-the s train

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I've caught on to something, I'm not going to say what it is today but I'm against a Swizzle/Froppy/shelly lynch. If I die tonight just feel free to ignore this because I am NOT softing what I've seen but if you see it also don't bring it up or even tell anyone that you've seen it.

As a consolidation vote, I am either voting Johnny or N_M today. My preference is the latter but the former doesn't pain me to do either.


We have three lynches before we lose. Two lynches before we hit LyLo. We have to PL them now if we do it at all as otherwise we leave it too close if they are Town. The reason why, for those that just replaced in, is that they're playstyle is completely and utterly anti-town and I have reasons to think that they're scum as well so this flip is double helpful. They lolhammered derp D1 and they will almost 100% do it again and again until they hammer town in LyLo. We can't let them live.

- JV

that sounds like typical NM and while i think its ok to use NM as a compromise lunch i think we can prolly do better than a PL here. why johnny though?

also froppy im still waiting to hear your reads explained more.

-@taylorswiftofficial

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youd rather we vote you than present your reads? i dont understand this at all

-schwifty

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youd rather we vote you than present your reads? i dont understand this at all

-schwifty

I want you to try and get me killed

why is that?
-taydot

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does that mean youre willing to talk to me about your reads now?

- t.s. elliot.

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Well looks like JV has this all under control but I personally agree with Shelly on 1160 being scummy

- Mini

See, I don't know Johnny well but a quick and shallow meta dive actually shows that he is rather ...... no offense but ... useless as town. Like how do I explain this? As town, he's low-key antitown and basically doesn't do shit. As scum, I'd actually argue he looks much more towny. I didnt read thru all the games and I only skimmed a few pages on like a few games but eh, this be what I think I think I'd rather lim NM over Johnny cuz based on his meta, I actually believe this slot is town. NM on the other hand ........... no meta to do anything with. They have their hot 10 posts per game that really don't tell me anything whatsoever :/ But I want to take a closer look at some other slots here. someone engage me!!!

swizzle pops entrance is rather obviously town

imo, big elephant still scum, I'm on board with the scum!MV bits, they seem to constantly post but they arent really providing a lot of useful content and much of what they're saying is either common sense like policying N_M and also synthesizing shellyc's thoughts on johnny/elbirn.

VOTE: MiniVirgo

Prof's 2 scumreads here are pretty anti-concensus which is town-indicative for most scum.

You missed my earlier question, Prof.

Also, could you explain my shelly's still scum?

anti-consensus describes my town game p well nil and I do not think it is a scumtell. Last game I was in with Prof, he was scum and I never caught it. I'll probs ISO there if I remember to laters

-Noraabear

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Bingle why do you town case shelly?

-Noraabear

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Like .... in a not wall format

-Noraabear

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Ah fuck

-Noraabear

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Also Bingle, new pfpc be nice

-Noraabear

quoting this into iso for noraa

-switz tizzle

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Tayl0r is Tayl0r though

please dont slander me

- Tay Lord

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VOTE: ProfMaf

I think the disappearing act and subsequent return when they've dropped out of the line of fire seems particularly susp, FWIW.

it seemed like the conclusion from the gamestate primer was that shelly you and Pm were all town. what made you change your mind on PM? mostly just the actvity levels?

can someone explain why johnny is scum to me?

-tlay door

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the teal deer on shelly town is that it very much looks like yes kill was designed to open up an elim on shelly/shelly had absolutely no reason to kill off the only slot that wasn't highly susp of her yesterday.

MWNN has had a very towny tone and presence. If he's scum he's pocketed me thoroughly, and I don't think that's the case as I'm usually very pocket resistant. I'm not outright townreading monkey, which is concerning, but there have been a couple of posts that are far more likely to be monkey town than monkey scum. I actually think N_M has a significant chance of being scum here, and there was more pushback than expected when I framed that as a policy decision. He's definitely playing refuge in audacity if scum, but that's N_M scum's playbook from page one through to the end.

MV/BE(Shelly)/Johnny have had strong and repeated interactions for basically the whole game, which makes me think at most one scum in that pile, possibly 0.

the more resistance, the more strange. I think that might be the way to go then. VOTE: NM
haven't talked to Taylor about this yet but this should be fine

-Noraabear

goddam. Ok I'll just keep two browser windows open instead of logging in and out - I keep forgetting :/

-Noraabear

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VOTE: NM

from dis acc

-Noraabear

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hmm personally i think NM can be used as a compromise lunch if we really cant figure out what we wanna do, but is low info and doesnt advance the game. i'd rather leave NM alone if possible. its ok as a placeholder vote but i think we can do better.

-B Frizzle

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I don't know if I would be that quick to give shelly a townpass. it ends up kicking ass if ur wrong. Last game I was in with her, she fooled me big time.

-Noraabear

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hmm ok i mean it seems scummy from johnny but seems like a weak case for L-2.

im a bit concerned that i havent seen A50 but it is the weekend and we've only been in the game for 24 hours.

why are MWNN and nandor town?

-Ice T

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Basically, we are doing shit and no one agrees on reads.

-Noraabear

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IIoa -_________________________________-

-Noraabear

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@Noraa: Do you have a read on that sick Monkey? I struggle to get any reads off him, and I've known him for over 52 years now!

i call BS. never in my life have i ever met anyone even close to that old.

- abe lincoln

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im a bit concerned that i havent seen A50 but it is the weekend and we've only been in the game for 24 hours.

This is roughly where I'm at with him, btw. When he's here, he gives off familiar townmonkey pings, but he's been light on presence all game and I'm not sure what that means from him.

Particularly this feels like a town monkey moment, but he never followed up on my response. He did set up the N_M lolhammer, which DOES fit cheekyscum him (particularly if N_M is also scum), but he's kinda just... absent.

really? you think its townie to be pointing out who isnt the cop?
-Mrs. Swift

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ok but for realsies a-fifties, what are your reads?

also shouldt you switch to an alt called "past50" or something?
-tai tai

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oh btw i spent a lot of time engaging with froppy yesterday and really didnt get anywhere. does anyone have thoughts? i cant really parse whether that was a townie response of townie struggling with the game and feeling cornered and justifiably skeptical, or if it was scum being frozen. a lot of the responses were kinda surprising to me.

-thai thai

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so i think im willing to townbin bingle and MV. maybe MWNN too, but i havent actually seen the slot post yet so thats purely based on what bingle said. im less confident in shelly. but i dont know how well i can sort shelly tbh.
-muy thai

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so i think im willing to townbin bingle and MV. maybe MWNN too, but i havent actually seen the slot post yet so thats purely based on what bingle said. im less confident in shelly. but i dont know how well i can sort shelly tbh.
-muy thai

Come on, tai tai. You know I'm town deep in your heart.

i do like your shitposting. im just slightly concerned that i dont see your solving. i see that your solve us {us, johnny, NM}. i dont see why its any of those three slots though. what made you change your mind on shelly? and how could you scumread US? are you not a patriot? US is always the good guys.

-rolyat sluggish

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Why does Taylor get all the credit? I feel sad that I'm missing out on these towncred lollipops

-Noraabear

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In case you haven't noticed, this team is basically Taylor does all the work, Noraa has all the fun

-Noraabear

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banana lollipops are yummy <.<

-Noraabear

ps I might do some game related content in a while. rn ... eh disc is blowing up and I be busy.

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could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

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hmm personally i think NM can be used as a compromise lunch if we really cant figure out what we wanna do, but is low info and doesnt advance the game. i'd rather leave NM alone if possible. its ok as a placeholder vote but i think we can do better.

this is so fence-sitty

swizzle is still scum despite [redacted] imo, thinking about [redacted] there's a possibility where swizzys scum
basically whats swizzy has done after entering the game is fence-sit on everything

we've stated a few townreads. i think its ok to wait to pass judgement until we have a bit of info. its not like we arent engaging and sorting. we just havent made up our minds about some things yet.
-quick

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could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

johnny has consistently failed to provide engagement, is flailing when pressure was applied and none of their responses come from town at all imo

why is that AI? what responses in particular were scummy?

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swizzy also seems to be pushing a weaker/lower activity townie and trying to get an miselim on there (froppy)

metareads cant really be completely fleshed out

i did spend a while trying to sort froppy. we didnt even vote froppy though. froppy is a scumread for me personally, but the lack of momentum from other people after that back-and-forth is making me question my read.
-tub of lard

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could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

johnny has consistently failed to provide engagement, is flailing when pressure was applied and none of their responses come from town at all imo

why is that AI? what responses in particular were scummy?

can you read them and make up your mind?
that's ai because I've seen town!johnny, this isn't town!johnny.

later
-the head that doesnt literally always sign as noraabear

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928 probably start of johnny flailing

thats not even a johnny post. i dislike the term flailing. it says nothing about exact behavior and i think its very unhelpful. please be concrete. i can read tomorrow but the next two posts from johnny seem ok at a glance.
-taller swit

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swizzy also seems to be pushing a weaker/lower activity townie and trying to get an miselim on there (froppy)

metareads cant really be completely fleshed out

i did spend a while trying to sort froppy. we didnt even vote froppy though. froppy is a scumread for me personally, but the lack of momentum from other people after that back-and-forth is making me question my read.
-tub of lard

yeah but you didn't really get a direct answer didn't you?
there's also [redacted] indicating town!froppy.

a direct answer to what? from whom?
the second line isnt helpful at all. its super easy for scum to hide behind "i have a reason but i cant talk about it" which is about half your reasons rn. i know youre supposed to be conftown but aorn im skeptical.

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I don't know if I would be that quick to give shelly a townpass. it ends up kicking ass if ur wrong. Last game I was in with her, she fooled me big time.

-Noraabear

don't we only roll s/s together ever lol

Roses you were scum and scum!you fooled town!me big time.

we've stated a few townreads. i think its ok to wait to pass judgement until we have a bit of info. its not like we arent engaging and sorting. we just havent made up our minds about some things yet.
-quick

noraa or tswift?
i think poking at lurkers and asking about johnny when its clearly explained isn't really "sorting", and your TRs are pretty much the UTRs

not directly related but both of your playstyles are so naturally scummy I'm actually really interested in how this hydra will play out

You call us fence sitty and scummy but then you say our pstyles are naturally fence sitty. who's the fence sitty one now? :O

-Noraabear

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could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

johnny has consistently failed to provide engagement, is flailing when pressure was applied and none of their responses come from town at all imo

why is that AI? what responses in particular were scummy?

can you read them and make up your mind?
that's ai because I've seen town!johnny, this isn't town!johnny.

if ur throwing around some meta bs that ur not gunna clarify, I'm not taking it jus saying. Cuz like last time I was fooled by Taylor bc of stuff like this.

-Noraabear

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[redacted]

Half ur arguments are based on ongoing games. you gotta stop.

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swizzy also seems to be pushing a weaker/lower activity townie and trying to get an miselim on there (froppy)

metareads cant really be completely fleshed out

i did spend a while trying to sort froppy. we didnt even vote froppy though. froppy is a scumread for me personally, but the lack of momentum from other people after that back-and-forth is making me question my read.
-tub of lard

yeah but you didn't really get a direct answer didn't you?
there's also [redacted] indicating town!froppy.

a direct answer to what? from whom?
the second line isnt helpful at all. its super easy for scum to hide behind "i have a reason but i cant talk about it" which is about half your reasons rn. i know youre supposed to be conftown but aorn im skeptical.

daaaaany Taylor and I really do be thinking the same thing

-Noraabear

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*daaang
-Noraabear

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froppy

im not conftown at all, and imo froppy is doing a decent amount of solving re: johnny and froppy isn't the type to bus after skimming their scumgames

Ok and how's that make froppy town? it just seems like you are pocketing froppy honestly.

-Noraabear

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namibear isnt around to confer with, but VOTE: profmaf. thats L-2, or NM-1. careful before voting. there doesnt seem to be any consisten train of thought in the thinking. the intent to hammer was a bit ???

-tayloricus swiftum

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i love this profmaf vote ngl was going to tell y'all to pivot but you already did yay

the l-1 is really artificial and considering from profmafs pov shellyc has been professor's SR why are you intenting your SRs wagon

weren't you happy with the last wagon too? why are you happy that we're pivoting now given you didnt actually join the wagon? hmm

-taylon swiff

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re: swizzle not based on ongoing games, but something interesting I've noticed.

pedit: I don't believe a word of that bs and want to hammer now but we're prob not ready to end the day

why would it be redacted if its something you can talk about?

also im inclined to believe the claim: why would scum claim bus driver? claiming cop potentially draws a CC. claiming backup is safe. claiming bus driver doesnt help even with a CC since the bus driver just gets replaced, but still runs the risk of getting CCd.
- toylar sweft

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What was scummy about the intent to put Johnny on L-1, Swizzle? "???" isn't gonna cut it for old Nandor I'm afraid.

the progression doesnt make sense. ive only read the posts profmaf made that were quoted (the four posts today) but the vote is really random given the other posts.

??? is also pretty typical for me.

- talon swerved

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UNVOTE:

i dont think NM is a good idea. i havent talked to noraa about it but personally ill compromise if necessary but i think there are better options probably. personally i havent been convinced by shelly's posts, but not enough to outweigh NKA.

-im out of ideas on how to sign

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Alright so here’s the deal. I was thinking that if a Cop claims, and they’re not the real Cop. Don’t counterclaim them, as that would just bout the Cop. Instead, just lynch them or not depending on how scummy they are. The Cop is dead anyway no matter if they claim on L-1 or counterclaiming.

Thoughts?

- JV

mm i think thats wrong. cant we just busdrive the cop so scum wont know who to shoot? im still a bit confused on the exact mechanics if both busdrivers target the same person so maybe scum can get a kill off because of activation order?
-even the really bad ideas are all gone now

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do you think having a solvey tone isn't alignment indicative?

no. I don't think so. scum!me is capable of looking like I'm solving. Legit that was the exact stuff that I pulled last time I was scum.

-Noraabear

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I actually hate how fencesitty shelly is on N_M even after agreeing that they need to be PL'd many times.

- JV

It's weird. I don't have a huge deal of meta on shelly cuz half the games with her, I was scum and she was scum so we were just legit throwing a party. The other half she always died like day 1 as town. I think she's generally ..... really damn scummy when she's town. I think imma do an ISO or have Twizzle do it bc I'm a bit worried. If she is seeming too towny, she is 100% scum. From my experience that's how it works.

Counterclaiming, he's scum.

That's why I didn't realize there were not multiple bus drivers. I thought it was the standard town PM.

You didn't realize there were not multiple bus drivers? Ironic for me to say considering I generally don't read setup but like it do be open setup :/

Out of Manwithnoname and pm who do people believe?
I think there's quite some possibilities. I've seen scum cc day 1 before. I've seen town cc day 1 before(not exactly I just hammered the scum that claimed JKer)
But since MWNN is a universal townread, I say we just yeet him to the sun and worry about stuff later. Even if he is the bus driver, we got backups AND we have a caught scum MWNN in that case.

-Noraabear

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yeet him

btw here the he = pm. jus sayin

-Noraabear

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You didn't realize there were not multiple bus drivers? Ironic for me to say considering I generally don't read setup but like it do be open setup :/

I legitimately signed up because I thought there were like 9 bus drivers and that's absolute madness at night. I was wrong but only realized it midway through Day 1 when I reread the set up.

Ok fair enough. I had that impression when I signed up to rep in

-Noraabear

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Why no vote back?

????????

-Noraabear

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You unvoted from Prof Mafia.

Partner and I haven't communicated much imma go ping swizzle and see what she says.
Ftr, my vote is spiritually parked there but I gotta make sure swizzle is good with it.
she be the decision maker. I be here to eat ice cream and popcorn.

-Noraabear

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Ok I would understand choosing to lim PM after the cc. But saying that before the cc is really fucking strange and A50 defo has a point there.

-Noraabear

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Ftr, my vote is spiritually parked there but I gotta make sure swizzle is good with it.

You need her confirmation to vote outed scum??????????????

I don't really consider this "outed scum"
haven't exactly been here long enough to even have a town LEAN on MWNN
Im down with a yeet PM to the sun and then talk later if its wrong plan cuz regardless, we get a scum no matter which situation. Taylor actually read up a bit so I'm waiting for her to tell me what her read on MWNN is.

-Noraabear

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I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

its only outed scum if I believe MVNN is town which I don't currently. Shelly can tell you about how she cc'ed a pr day 1 one time as scum.

-Noraabear

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I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

its only outed scum if I believe MVNN is town which I don't currently. Shelly can tell you about how she cc'ed a pr day 1 one time as scum.

-Noraabear

OK, I'll bite. What would be the point of CC'ing here if MWNN gets to eat rope next AND the BD still gets replaced anyway? Wouldn't knowing who the BD is (and thus their reads) be better for Scum than not knowing who they are?

ask shelly why she cc'ed in that game. the answer is that scums are people and mess up as well. Its unlikely, I'll agree but I do think its a possibility that does need to be considered. I'm waiting for Taylor's take.

-Noraabear

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I mean shelly was in a super good place too otherwise they wouldn't have limmed the pr over her right?

Idk. Im being stubborn rn but eh. Deal with it

-Noraabear

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No no-lim is stupid. Twizzle is reading up in a sec and we are gonna discuss the questions I asked.

-Noraabear

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Twizzle said the vote was good. so here goes nothing

VOTE: Prof

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-Noraabear

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uhm yeah... not sure what the issue was with putting the vote back, but we figured it out in the end

-so now youre gonna have to put up with really dumb signatures

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Everyone should pm the mod that we want a fast night btw. Can’t remember who the mod is or if they allow for that, but fuck waiting two days to find out I died.

Lmao you don't know who the mod is? Alrighty, I'll pm the mod for fast night.

-Noraabear

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have a sure shot cop, a body movin' bus driver, a triple trouble three shot cop.

-Noraabear

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*three shot vig

-Noraabear

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Oh rip day started
Bruh whatever that was, it wasn't fast night -________-
Jacko/Mini was anyone cleared night 1?
So froppy was cleared last night defo cuz cop clear.
Btw why even is Johnny scum?
Never understood the argument but I'm down with consensus lim and if it flips red, we are on a roll

-Noraadabear

FUCK

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Also I wanted to ask. Is this happening to anyone else?
For some reason even if I am on my hydra in a different browser window, it still logs me logs to my main. Like different browsers windows no longer work? O_o

-Noraabeario
Taytay had her phase and now its my turn

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*AHEM*
ignore the typo. u saw nothing

-Noraaio

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yes that was a hammer. jeez that was quick.

-rrororororrorrorrorrorrorrororrrororror

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N2 inno on MWNN
N3 inno on MV

we are not a colorful dust that sparkles

-Look what you made me do

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Shelly is scum. Hold up lemme go find that post that I wrote when thread closed

-noraabear

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But also, why would scum!Noraa go and kill NM? Tho I do admit this kill doesnt really make much sense no matter who did it so eh.

-noraabear

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During the night, I had some time and I put quite some thought into what happened this game since repping in and before as well. I believe that Shelly is scum. I've been feeling like there was something off there but this whole week I've been busy with my other games and this game just got thrown straight onto the backburner to rot. Twizzle is overgamed as fuck and we aren't doing a good job doing this town slot justice. Predecessor was not even that scummy looking through ISO. I believe that I will need to look into how this slot started becoming a universal SR because although I would be slightly sus of my predecessor, I believe that I would never actually end up thinking it would become a universal SR. I believe that our slot started getting sussed by town but then slowly attracted opportunistic scums. Or it might have started out getting shaded by scum and grown by town. Hard to say and I will 10000% be looking into that asap.

Shelly has been constantly shading us ever since we repped in. Again I dont understand where that comes from considering shelly was always telling me when she was my scumbuddy that being present in the thread during rvs and throughout the game is the way to get free towncred. I find it extremely strange that shelly isn't looking at all of this "town block" and being even slightly suspicious of them especially considering scum!shelly is the type to pocket and post a shit ton to get towncred. I fail to see how she could possibly not be paranoid that a huge town block basically grew out of literal nowhere and happens to be exactly all the people present in the thread. Shelly defending Floppy is extremely weird as well. Froppy is LHF. I can see that but LHF can be scum. My play style is LHF'y but so? Does that mean I will never roll scum? No. Exactly.

Scum!shelly always defends the LHF and that is precisely how she pockets. If you dont believe me, you can ask Jacko. Jacko saw shelly defending LHFs in so many bats. Saw shelly telling me defending Plus in doggos was a good idea etc etc. She has a huge record of defending LHF to pocket as scum and I feel like none I repeat NONE of what she has done here screams town to me more than it screams scum. I believe Hectic can also back me up on this point. Tay tay as well.

She keeps using meta on us against us but that meta is 1000% twisted and inaccurate to begin with. For example she says that I never bus as scum because I'll feel lonely. For the most part, I do agree with this statement but really the thing is, if I rep into a scum slot and see my buddy is a universal SR, rather than trying to change every single person's opinion, I would just bus to get towncred. Sure, I dont like bussing but you have to do what you have to do as scum. There are certain things that I believe are impossible to stop and this would be one of them. Just by BEING a replacement, your influence is basically halved. I've repped into multiple games and the only time I won a scum game was actually a game I repped in. I hammered my buddy and I bussed my other to distance. Just based on that game alone, we can see that this meta that you speak of is low-key garbage. On top of that, you blatantly misrep us and say that we wanted to kill MWNN. No. I was saying that I wanted to wait to hear more because tho MWNN is locktown for everyone else, he is NOT locktown for a replacement that didn't read jackshit and I dont even believe talked to him. At least I dont remember talking to him prior to that. You do plenty of other meta misrep shit and its just not cool at all.

This is in a way, a complete soul read but I have played with shelly so much that I believe my soul reads on her, if I put in some thought, have, for the most part, a very very high accuracy rate.

She is in the town block and I am not. After she "found" a solve that is now proven to be two-thirds right, I believe that town will take her side if NoraavShelly were to happen. I'm in a bad position and I'm overgamed. Taylor is the same. We believe that the lim tomorrow is 99% us so our case on our strongest SR is right here.

-tay tay and nor nor

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Also just a fun post. Wanted to say that uh half of predecessors posts basically said "hydras are stupid and dumb and annoying. go tf away."
so erm hopefully they dont keep up with this game longer enough to see who the replacement was

-nor the nor nor

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*long

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Shelly defending Floppy is extremely weird as well.

-tay tay and nor nor

Floppy!

apologies

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Why would shelly kill N_M?

NK analysis is bs to begin with and considering the kill was NM, no matter who is scum, its a weird kill. I'm gunna ISO NM rn to see what it was that made someone kill them.

-noraa the noraabear

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Ngl this ISO look like LHF all the way and it doesnt really seem like he had any strong opinions on anything. Idk what scums were thinking but its a weird kill.

-nornami

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@MWNN: I thin it's Froppy. The 3 cop checks don't even make sense (meaning she's not trying to read anyone, but rather going along with the consensus).

Like, seriously? yessiree, Nando & A50??

mhmm as a cop check it makes no sense. well nando does but why would cop ever check A50.
-fearless

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Dangerous gambits either work and win you a game or you fail and die badly. I have zero doubt that scum!shelly would pull something that dangerous anyday. Seeing that your a universal TR only reconfirms my suspicions.

-bear the tsunami

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*you're

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Woe is me

-nornornor

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*pouts in her corner*

-norbear

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well played town

-poutingnoraa

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*pouts some more*

-northepoutingbear

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*sticks my tongue out at shelly*

-noranami

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It was my decision to switch with NM and shoot MWNN

-nortsunami

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taytay was so happy when we rolled scum

-sniffleynornor

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Eh um, we were gonna keep u alive til the end.

-norbeario

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scum didn't have day talk! >:(

-angrynornor

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*pouts some more*

-poutingbeario

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I mean, ngl, you seemed the easiest to pocket. the majority of town was extremely overconfident bc of the two scum flips in a row. we didn't really have a chance when everyone was super confident.

-sadtsunami

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when taytay was skimming the first few pages of the game, she called Johnny scum lmao.

-lolnornor