Open 807 | Town Win

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 begins.

[Dunnstral]

Tone of 52-54, I don't think scum expresses that they are town so outwardly like that.

This read feels forced

[Dunnstral]

How is he locktown already with his 3 posts??

You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

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UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Don't like your defensive nature on 183, it was not required fmpov.

VOTE: Dunnstral

It's not defensive, I was calling you out. You only cared to dismantle the townread.

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There's three people "scumreading" me and I've barely posted

You guys can go ahead and town lock me

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You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

I'm also trying to figure out what your motivation for posting this was. Pooky called you locktown... I called you someone that I "mildly like for scum" and then listed you when Pooky asked me to list one person that I thought was scum, essentially.

Why do you feel Salsabil taking issue with the latter implies she should take issue with the former?

I just feel that Salsa was only deconstructing townreads and not looking at everything. Or at least I was trying to figure out what was going on

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PP said there was one. I think he assumed it was sent to everyone, without checking.

now that you've contributed to the banal discussion of whether or not the mod sent battle mage a pm, anything to say about the game?

VOTE: something_smart

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intent

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What happened to getting claims?

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UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Don't like your defensive nature on 183, it was not required fmpov.

VOTE: Dunnstral

It's not defensive, I was calling you out. You only cared to dismantle the townread.

You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

I'm also trying to figure out what your motivation for posting this was. Pooky called you locktown... I called you someone that I "mildly like for scum" and then listed you when Pooky asked me to list one person that I thought was scum, essentially.

Why do you feel Salsabil taking issue with the latter implies she should take issue with the former?

I just feel that Salsa was only deconstructing townreads and not looking at everything. Or at least I was trying to figure out what was going on

You got the whole thing wrong. I don't have any problem if someone townread/scumread you, my point was: you had only 3 posts when

PookyTheMagicalBear

townlocked you, which I find unusual. If they scumlocked you with your 3 posts, I'll ask the same question.

Well ok, that's why I asked the question, because implosion scumleaned me. But I guess you only cared about the lock part?

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Artemenia could be scum who thought she was hammered and so stopped posting and hasn't checked back in

Because yesterday it looked like they were about to catch back up

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Why did Penguin die on day 2 instead of night 1?

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VOTE: MiniMegabyte

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Salsabil Faria can easily be scum

I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

And Dunn is responding. My solve is Dunn is the other Mafioso (main) and implo is the Traitor. Piece if cake.

There is little reason for main faction mafia to respond to a traitor signal

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(I also don't understand how me voting for MiniMegabyte is related to your argument that Implosion is signaling traitor)

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What do you mean? N_M died at night, PP died at the start of the day. The two did not die "simultaneously". I thought YOU should explain that as a member of the NRG.

So I took a look at it; this is an open setup, there's no way for penguinpower to have died on day 2

I think the death message is just unclear and they both died on night 1

I'm pretty sure both weak and hider deaths are supposed to be on the same night

[Dunnstral]

I disagree that penguin crumbed that he was going to hide behind implosion

[Dunnstral]

You all know what? This is my solve and I'm going to let you all decide whom to eliminate. I am no longer going to argue, and I am not moving my vote. Good Luck

cool

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I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

Why specifically the two of us?

Both off wagon and looking through isos, I don't see anything to point towards not being partners. Both of you have interacted minimally with Artemenia. I think it is likely that there is scum in here, and at the very least there is no reason for me to think you two are town.

[Dunnstral]

Salsabil Faria can easily be scum

I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

Yeah, sure you think I'm scum here. :roll:
My pronoun is she/her btw.

Since you said English was not your native language:

They/them is gender-neutral and is not incorrect or offensive here

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Dunnstral I will give you 5 minutes to bus your scumbuddy implo

I don't think I will be voting there today, I am not scumreading him. I would prefer to get minimega today, especially after Implo pointed out that they did give reads in another game.

I think picking no prs is a strong move for scum.

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if the main team were both eliminated then the Traitors inherits the factional kill

I sincerely hope this is not the case. It's one of the reason why Stack the Deck sucks, and it's not standard at all.

I think this should be clarified since this is an open setup

@mod

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Dunnstral I will give you 5 minutes to bus your scumbuddy implo

I don't think I will be voting there today, I am not scumreading him. I would prefer to get minimega today, especially after Implo pointed out that they did give reads in another game.

I think picking no prs is a strong move for scum.

this is an exceptionally poor take, given the quality of discussion which has transpired. I'll consider Dunnstral back on the table for today as a fallback option.

Right, you'll vote for me because I disagree with you

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I'm of the opinion that the traitor does inherit the factional kill

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I'm of the opinion that the traitor does inherit the factional kill

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We don't need to cast the net wider

We lost a pr and a mafia. There probably aren't many town prs left. MinimegaByte is a fine vote today

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there is no reason for me to think you two are town.

Is there any reason to think one or both of us are scum?

Thinking that other people are town

Both off wagon and looking

What about Something SMart and Implosion? They are both off wagon too so not a valid point

Well, I think the two of you are more likely. I don't really think it's S_S after some stuff he said near the end of the last day.

we are definitely going off-wagon for the elim today.

Pooky wants to look off wagon seems fine

Both off wagon

Putting this in a way that says you want to look off wagon too... not long after Pooky too seems a little strange

i'd like to go off wagon today

And the third person to say to look off wagon...

Soemthing isn't making me feel good here something definitely ain't right

This is not a strong argument

You also don't have a train of thought that can be followed here. It doesn't make sense. You're saying there's something weird about me wanting to look off wagon, you're implying that scum are bussing or something and that the people off wagon are town? But then I'm not on wagon and you're saying I'm scum.

So your argument is all over the place.

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don't understand the need for repeating it why cant you just agree rather than try and portray it as your own idea

Well, because it was my own idea.

In post 609 I say we should go for you or Sabil

In post 648 pooky makes his comment

In post 652 you ask me why

In post 656 I explain why, and it's more than just "off wagon"

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Well, I think the two of you are more likely. I don't really think it's S_S after some stuff he said near the end of the last day.

What about Implosion? You seem to have left them out... Any reason for that?

Yeah, because I already talked about Implosion the other day

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To be pedantic I'd argue that STD swiped the hammer from me and that there's not much of a difference between him and someone off wagon

And penguin sort-of ccing the claim also plays a part in that

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don't understand the need for repeating it why cant you just agree rather than try and portray it as your own idea

Well, because it was my own idea.

In post 609 I say we should go for you or Sabil

In post 648 pooky makes his comment

In post 652 you ask me why

In post 656 I explain why, and it's more than just "off wagon"

Regarding 609 you say you want to "take care" of me and Salsa that's not implying or saying that you just want to look off wagon

Correct. It's not doing that. You're arguing against your own point; I never said I was looking off wagon, I just used that as a reason for my suspicion on you and sabil

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This is all I can find on you even mentioning Implosion in your ISO

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Don't like your defensive nature on 183, it was not required fmpov.

VOTE: Dunnstral

It's not defensive, I was calling you out. You only cared to dismantle the townread.

You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

I'm also trying to figure out what your motivation for posting this was. Pooky called you locktown... I called you someone that I "mildly like for scum" and then listed you when Pooky asked me to list one person that I thought was scum, essentially.

Why do you feel Salsabil taking issue with the latter implies she should take issue with the former?

I just feel that Salsa was only deconstructing townreads and not looking at everything. Or at least I was trying to figure out what was going on

You got the whole thing wrong. I don't have any problem if someone townread/scumread you, my point was: you had only 3 posts when

PookyTheMagicalBear

townlocked you, which I find unusual. If they scumlocked you with your 3 posts, I'll ask the same question.

Well ok, that's why I asked the question, because implosion scumleaned me. But I guess you only cared about the lock part?

I disagree that penguin crumbed that he was going to hide behind implosion

Dunnstral I will give you 5 minutes to bus your scumbuddy implo

I don't think I will be voting there today, I am not scumreading him. I would prefer to get minimega today, especially after Implo pointed out that they did give reads in another game.

I think picking no prs is a strong move for scum.

822 I talked about why I don't want to vote him, I did not feel a need to reiterate

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You're asking me why I'm not pushing Implosion

I'm not making an argument, I'm explaining why.

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They're just not my top suspect and the case against him mostly focuses on mechanical speculation that I disagree with

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Might it have something to do with the fact that you know they are town because you are scum?

No

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I didn't say I had reasons to call Implosion town, I said I'm not scumreading him

If they havent done anything that you can point out as towny then why arent they one of the top suspects

Because that makes them null this far into the game, not scummy

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I explained why and I think based on reactions you look worse than Sabil here

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral has done straight up nothing

More than you

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral has done straight up nothing

More than you

you realize this isn't a good rebuttal, right

And "has done nothing" is not a scum case

[Dunnstral]

it kind of is

Then why aren't you willing to vote for Minimegabyte?

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Saying I've done "nothing" is an exaggeration

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I have done something. I've pushed MiniMegabyte today.

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The bit I find off from Dunn and others, is suggesting all the off-wagon folk are equally culpable

I never said that

[Dunnstral]

willing to vote {Dunnstral, MiniMegabyte, implosion}

So every wagon today

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Dunn who's scum?

MiniMegabyte

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You don't have anything better than that?

[Dunnstral]

Cause there is still a possibilty

You couldn't even give a reason

[Dunnstral]

There probably won't be a direct cc if this is a low power game, but I'd expect there to be another pr

[Dunnstral]

There probably won't be a direct cc if this is a low power game, but I'd expect there to be another pr

it's open setup, see the rules. :lol:

I understand the setup, reread what I said

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Well at least you dont have to worry about eliminating me tomorrow now cause ill be the nk for tonight

yes i do like this scenario actually. if mini survives tonight, elim tomorrow.

What if Scum kills not me tonight because you have said this to get two town down? If I am alive tomorrow this will be my likely scenario

still worth killing you then on balance - we'd have 2 clears (non core mafia), maybe a scum and a clear (non core mafia). scum not killing you takes a big gamble, although it depends on how today plays out.

Yeah if implosion is town I hope scum kills me to save me from being eliminated tomorrow but i know if i was scum i would leave me alive after you saying that if i am not the nk that i will be eliminated tomorrow

If scum leave you alive, you still have a follower result on someone.

[Dunnstral]

Well at least you dont have to worry about eliminating me tomorrow now cause ill be the nk for tonight

yes i do like this scenario actually. if mini survives tonight, elim tomorrow.

What if Scum kills not me tonight because you have said this to get two town down? If I am alive tomorrow this will be my likely scenario

still worth killing you then on balance - we'd have 2 clears (non core mafia), maybe a scum and a clear (non core mafia). scum not killing you takes a big gamble, although it depends on how today plays out.

Yeah if implosion is town I hope scum kills me to save me from being eliminated tomorrow but i know if i was scum i would leave me alive after you saying that if i am not the nk that i will be eliminated tomorrow

If scum leave you alive, you still have a follower result on someone.

Yep and will anyone believe me? Nope

You're right, I won't believe you

[Dunnstral]

If you die and you're town, your results will be confirmed

[Dunnstral]

There probably won't be a direct cc if this is a low power game, but I'd expect there to be another pr

it's open setup, see the rules. :lol:

I understand the setup, reread what I said

lol re-read the setup Dunn :lol:

I understand the setup, reread what I said

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Low power as in scum didn't pick prs for roles, so there are only 2 town prs

[Dunnstral]

I'm on board with not killing Mini today
Tomorrow maybe
After that if there is another pr claim somewhere she definitely needs to die imo

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UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

Assuming that minimega is scum and that the scum chose no powers: It's unlikely for there to be a direct counter claim

The Artemenia/Penguin thing happened, yes, it was probably still unlikely (though more likely than the current situation) for that to happen

To be clear, I don't think anybody else should claim pr if they're not a follower right now

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I'm pretty sure that means they're mafia

[Dunnstral]

Follower
N1 followed STD and they went nowhere

FSKR CLAIM! Mini obviously just looked at the list of available roles and picked one.

Why? Because if she did receive that ROLE PM, she would have known Follower =/= Tracker. Follower gets what the target DID, not where they went. :wink:

Yeah wait a minute, the way they worded that is weird

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VOTE: MiniMegaByte

Play + replace out + messed up claim + suspicion on save the dragons before claiming to follow them

I think they are clearly scum

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dunn who do you think is scum

Who knows

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VOTE: Scipio1

[Dunnstral]

got any solid reasoning you'd like to share with the class?

On a skim of Scipio's ISO he hasn't really done anything overtly scummy IMO, the way he was positioning around the mini/dunn/me thing was generally reasonable enough; maybe the most suspicious thing is him being kind of tepid on not wanting mini for the "i aint scum" thing just bc it kind of reads as waffly in a bad way. But I think it really did look like I was going to be the lim yesterday and him waffling in that particular way doesn't exactly benefit him as scum if he's voting for me and I flip town.

He doesn't have the strong townvibes from last game (like I mentioned) but I don't think that really means he's scummy here.

So you agree he doesn't seem towny

If we're not voting scipio, who has done things overtly scummy?

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I'm vt