Open 827: Dead Silence III - Game Over!!

[Enchant]

Hello, i didn't read setup yet, can mafia daytalk here and how many mafia members here?

[Enchant]

almosT forgot

hia A50 hi Enchant hi Gamma hi Not_mafia hia ssbm hi Ydrassee hi Galron hi Cephrir hi Dwlee Hi DGB hello everybody!!

Hello!

[Enchant]

This game is actually about FLASHWAGONS, if you don't perform FLASHWAGON, mafia will simple draw gun and shot on random without anything to lose. So basically, we need FLASHWAGON.

Issue is, 9 votes is heck many for FLESHWAGON, so if you see big wagon, FLESH it.

[Enchant]

But it's truth.

Most wagons with many votes are have Mason/Mafia on them.

I actually just flashed everything not-mason in mine last game.

[Enchant]

Sure, ... Erm.
Idk what It means.
I dislike you.

[Enchant]

ARRRRRRRH!

[Enchant]

What you mean misunderstanding?

[Enchant]

... They already dying from elim.
What they lose by shoting?

[Enchant]

You misunderstanded.

I meant, if mafia believe they are gonna be elimmed, they simple draw gun and shot. We need FLASHWAGON them before they do that.
... No, really, if someone have 5+ (oh well with SK maybe 6+) votes, Mason/Mafia certanly vote them and it makes sense to FLASHWAGON this person, because...
Would't mason vote their own, right?... Right?

[Enchant]

IF YOU GONNA VOTE SLOW, COLLECTING DAMN 9 VOTES, MAFIA COULD SHOT 9000 TIMES ALREADY AND EAT BREAKFEST AS WELL.

[Enchant]

IF YOU GONNA VOTE SLOW, COLLECTING DAMN 9 VOTES, MAFIA COULD SHOT 9000 TIMES ALREADY AND EAT BREAKFEST AS WELL.

Mafia.. can .. NOT.. shoot.. 9000 times. They can shoot ONCE. If they are NOT targeting a Mason THEY die. If that happens we know who was voting the Mafioso and lead them to act in despair. That's not bad. We do get the flip either way.

Just.
Just.

Whatever.

[Enchant]

Alright, i am a bit calmed down.


I didn't townslip, i knew mafia could shot only 1 time and die if they quess wrong (I knew also about Daytalk and ammount of mafia, because... Uh. Everyone should know? You take tip.). 9000 is my exaggaration about how mafia could take their time if town will hesitate. I played same setup already and know how it played, damn.

If Mafia will always trade their life on Mason, or atleast confirm one of person as "NonMason" (which doesh't cost them anything, because person in question already in danger of elim), we all die.

[Enchant]

... Ok, NOW i townsleeped.

I don't think i am happy with that though.

[Enchant]

No really, in previous game they could only shot once per person.

... Now FLASHWAGONs is damn mandatory for win.

[Enchant]

But yes mafia cant shoot for free. We give them more information the longer we take, though.

What do you suggest we do? Yeet people randomly??

Yes. Well. Mostly.
Masons are half of town. They already have 50%+ chances to kill scum by simple voting outside of masonry. Vanilla should deduce them and FLASHWAGON with them.

[Enchant]

Mafia actually can kill SK.

For this deadline should be out. Mafia then can choose SK to die.

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VOTE: DrippingGoofBall











Changed for VCounter
-Pooky

[Enchant]

Mafia actually can kill SK.

For this deadline should be out. Mafia then can choose SK to die.

When did you figure that out? i hadn't even thought of that

From start? If mod say "Mafia can choose anyone to die", it could be also be SK.

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We = Town obviously.

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After all masons die:
1. We are pretty much blind. In worst case, we are outnumbered as well, because 5 mafia vs 5 VT. Only SK help us to not lose immediatly. On obvious argument "But mafia will be elimmed too so we still outnumber them!"
Don't have dreams about playing it flawlessly and never elimming VT (or even Mason) wrongly. We will screw up, atleast once. Unless i am in team with divine scumreaders, but i can assure, i am not... Otherwise why i care at all. We won.
2. SK doesh't need to think about "Who the hell is mason" and can simple speedrun this game with kills. Even if we solve issue above somehow and elim all mafia, SK simple win. Even 5 VT versus Lone SK is already lost, because you can't elim person who swinging his damn machete without stop.


Let's say. It makes our game hell, if not impossible. So yes, we all die.

[Enchant]

I just found this note on my car:

"You guys suck! You can never pull together as one and revenge us

-Sincerely,

Not_Mafia,

Mafia Goon

, Eliminated Phase 1"

Be afraid.

Not_Mafia know your car and very possible where you live.

[Enchant]

I would fear cow with hammer.

[Enchant]

Thor, can you invite me in Masonry as well?

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People started to drop.

8 Townies.
3 Masons.
5 VTs.
4 Mafia.

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@Mod

If mafia die from their ability, it's still count as "has been killed"?

[Enchant]

"Yes".

Either SK sniped or they know one VT.

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VOTE: DrippingGoofBall







edit for VCounter
-Pooky

[Enchant]

SK missed like a dummy

i've got the team pinned

help me

let's gogogogogogo

SK claim?

[Enchant]

FLASHWAGON!

Anyone?

[Enchant]

SK will keep balance. He will shot Town likely here, because he interested in one group dead.

If you look at Mafia win con carefully, they need reach parity with town AND kill SK.

Even heavenly outnumbered, SK still beat up mafs, if dayvig them faster than they vote him.


So i think, SK will simple offer us "Coup De Grace". Not help.

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Theory:

1. Almost50 gived "I kill 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 before i miss" shots. Pros: I don't think it's valid.
2. Almost50 failed to shot. Two other mafia members made it.
3. Almost50 killed by SK. Other 2 Mafs are killed Mason.

And other such combination where SK kills mason and etc.... Let's assume worst and believe mafia know one person who is not Mason.

[Enchant]

So what's the strategy here? VT are supposed to hint that they are masons so that the scum tries to shoot them?

Well, in our last game town won because i hammered mafia on 10-30 seconds before he draw a gun and shot someone. We did it with mason quickhammer.

... There's more people so getting someone killed via elim is something hard.


VT and Masons should blend in and looks uninformed OR Informed at same time, while VT should find possible masons and vote with them and masons not look like masons.

... Honestly, best way to play it is voting without any discussions. Which is... Yeah. Dead silence.

[Enchant]

Oh well. We don't really need FLASHWAGONS anymore.

6 Townies.
1 Mason.
5 VTs.
3 Mafia.


Now we should fear SK, because he will deduce in any moment and can perform COMBOKILL. We should be fine if SK missed, 72 hours on elimming people is pretty enough time. There's issue i don't know exactly how to find SK, but killing all mafia now is BAD idea. We need to focus.

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VOTE: Galron

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... I didn't expect to solve this problem so fast.

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VOTE: ARC

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We don't actually need FLASHWAGONs now, 1 Mason is hard target.

But it's fun.

[Enchant]

Really, calm down.

Now we have time.

[Enchant]

A50 made Enchant obvtown if ppl disagree then prolly say so cause ive had him obvtown all game fo rthat

I don't even know how.

[Enchant]

I go to sleep, but there's some ideas.

As told, it's unlikely mafia will risk their necks to get 1 mason.


There's one tactic i suggest: Mafia will anyway try to shot if believed they gonna die.
Try to discuss scumreads (without really voting, yes i know you love to do it to point "I think it's mafia!", but never pill up more than 1-2 vote on someone unless you gonna kill him), but when there's time to vote or decision made, we need to punch them with votes ASAP. Without any hesitation.

That way, mafia could be scared of simple accusations which could end up in speedelim, without real votes and if we lucky, drop dead.
Oposite, you could give them false feel of safity where there's too many scumreads. Then they unlikely will ready to shot.
TL. DR: Discuss scumreads. When decide on them, start FLASHWAGON. Mafia will choose between risking possible FLASHWAGON or just try to shot immediatly to avoid it.


Everyone should try to act like Mason... Eh. Well. Idk why i suggest it and how you do it. But if you can do it somehow...


Sadly i am a far worse at reading people than setup trashtalking, but try to give some ideas tomorrow.

[Enchant]

Wait what.

[Enchant]

NM got hammered? Now we need flashwagon.

Fine i quess i can wait with sleep.

[Enchant]

Stop panicking lmao.

[Enchant]

... It's... I writed post where i go to sleep and totally missed NM death.

3 VT
1 Mason
3 Mafia

WELCOME TO FUCKING ELO.

[Enchant]

Alright we pretty much in bad position right now.

We don't really have time to think (thankfully i can't think at all). I will place vote on someone then we flashwagon him for last hope. I believe you believe i am town so no problem here. Just instantly follow me. I wait for 3 other people, online, if you doesh't, i consider this Scum claim refused to hammer scum claim. I warned.
If mafia, good, we not in ELO. If town, it's gg.


Unless you have other damn good ideas of course.

[Enchant]

Alright, be here for now.

Anyone else here?

[Enchant]

Ok good, two.

For real safity we need another 2.

[Enchant]

Alright, we have 3. Anyone else?

I will not reveal who i plan to vote (and flashwagon).

If mafia want they could try to avoid fate and randomshot before i perform it, either winning or losing member. They have 75% change to miss, which is higher of my chances to quess mafia here (50%) so i find this risk more appealing.

[Enchant]

FFS DAMN STOP.

[Enchant]

Before we go, tell person who you think is mafia and reasons why you think so.

Even if you said it before, it could make my job easier.

[Enchant]

Don't worry i need only 5-10 mins.

After that we decide game.

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Alright i am here.

I hope everyone ready. I will vote, you follow. If i am wrong... Well. Then me for blame.

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VOTE: Ydrasse

Death or Glory.

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Yeah...

UNVOTE:

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Thor Unvote.

Not risking here.

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Damn mafia is hard.

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Ceph and Ydrssee either both mafia or Ceph not mafia at all.

Do you think Ydrssee it town, Thor?

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VOTE: DGB

Alright, another shot. Now for sure.

If Ydrsee will be scum i would be not pleased but GG then.

[Enchant]

Gamma what the fuck.

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... Now i think we hit maf here and they simple giving them time to shot.

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... Or perhaps i am bad leader which is more likely.

WElp!

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Fuck.

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I failed you all.

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Most funny thing if mafia shot someone before we quickhammered and failed, thus died.

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Ceph/Gamma and Thor pretending game still going.

Too many for townies.

[Enchant]

I mean, if one of you was mafia, you would admit it already?
... Right?

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Thor is awesome.

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Have some faith in yourself Enchant
We don’t need two people with non-existent self-esteem in this game (:

When i am town leader, it mostly senseless bloodbath.

Which reason i never step and try to more hide.

[Enchant]

....
CEEEEEEEEEEEPH

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... Real Mason claim.

Even if you die, you help to pin down DGB. 1vs1 trade worth here.

[Enchant]

3 VT
1 Mason
2 Mafia

We MOSTLY fine.

[Enchant]

VOTE: DGB

[Enchant]

VOTE: DGB

[Enchant]

Alright.

Now we can calm down and i can finally get my sleep.

Anyway you can't elim without my vote (Unless you elim me but... Really wtf).

[Enchant]

Oh and another thing!

No.
Self.
Voting.

Let me sleep and we sort it.

[Enchant]

Alright i am here.


We have 2 shots, so basically i need atleast 1 townie to trust. Issue is, i don't know who said townie i trust yet. While elim of both Ceph and Thor "should" win game, i don't really know why we townread Morning. Can someone explain?


As i remember without rereading game:
Ydrsee protected Thor as "I know Thor is Thor he is town!". I don't have practical reason to see why mafia could protect Townie.
Ceph protected Ydrseee from elim. It somehow went horrible (not for us), so we got one-for-two mafs. I still find it plausable trade.
Morning... Hm. I don't really remember.

[Enchant]

Fine.

I believe you both (Cyph and Thor) fairly more in scumreading.

So... We vote you both and should win? Looks simple.

[Enchant]

I want hear Cyph first.

After that we go.
Ok?

[Enchant]

*sigh*

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Still i think i will wait.

After that my heart will clear.

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Fine...

VOTE: Cephrir

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Welp.

Thor?

[Enchant]

Honestly this issue easy to solve.

VOTE: Thor

If you mafia, hammer and get your win. Don't toy with townies.
If you are town, refuse.

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Damn.
I fear.

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I was kinda hoping Thor and I would crossvote and then you would be confirm town to be honest now im legitimately worried since i have the make the decision

Listen.

I had all power to end game immediatly in mafia win. You probably saw it.


Yeah i kinda feared. I am bad at reading people so didn't really understand why you townreaded. I simple closed my eyes and believed Ceph.

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Well it was like that:
I noticed NM was hammered only after i posted "I go sleep please stop flashwagoning" and realised we in Elo.
I collected bunch of townies and suggested them to vote after me. After some time thinking, i voted for Ydrsee but she somehow managed to persuade us. So we flashwagoned DGB instead.

DGB believed in elumination (as well as everyone else) and claimed Mason. After that Ydrsee who feared elim tried to shot but failed.
After Gamma claimed Mason, so it was 1vs1 trade.

And that's how we stuck here. Like... I would just vote Gamma on that moment (who was scumreaded anyway) or any townie and mafia immediatly win because of parity. If you think i bussed them on purpose... What for?

[Enchant]

Just hammer Thor and we should win.

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I go to sleep.

If you even to plan vote me instead (which is... Uh. Probably will be strangest ending), wait before i come, so i can explain why I can't be mafia again.
Or just hammer Thor. No one will mind, heh.

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Yeah, take your time, but decision is pretty obvious one here.

[Enchant]

Imagine going for "style" points instead of winning instantly.

Of course. No.

[Enchant]

I am from phone.

I will explain why Thor is mafia after get on PC. Hopefully it's blatant and easy.

[Enchant]

Alright.

Thor posted many of his "totally not parnered interaction".
Now notice one thing.
It's 2** posts.


When town was put on chaos, he blatantly voted with "confirmed" scum on townies, "for sake of that", even after there's was just one mason alive and FLASHWAGONs stopped being needed. Basically, Ydresee, DGB and Thor voted together without much issue they "scumread" each other, killing NM and Arc.

You see standart tactic of scum, where early they "push" each other for a bit, but then forget/put them at "low" priority. On Elo for example, who he suggested? Gamma (Town), Ceph (Town) and DGB (Mafia). Ydrseee also protected him, telling him he is town.


Now let's use... This mental thing. You know some people have it, called "Common Sense".
For being mafia here, i need to be skilled mafia player AND degenerate at same time. I am not both. Count:

1. I am trustfully person on Elo and also mafia, oh probably i will... Bus! Of course, it's not like i can push wagon on townie and win instantly, yeah? Why any sane person do that?
2. Ok ok, i am degenerate mafia who actually pushed Ydrseee, but then unvoted. She was like "oh no" and shoted on random (i am mafia i supposed to know when she tried to dayvig, right?). So, instead of you know, pushing her for the end, flipping her as mafia, i decided to go... For another mafia of course! And of course i didn't warn him about it, so he claimed Mason to suicide. Perhaps to give me even more town points, after immediatly execution!
3. After this whole mess, we sitting here. 4 Persons. I am most confirmed townie here, everyone believe me, especially Ceph. Hmmm Who i should ask to eluminate?
Of course Ceph, because... Indeed why not? I don't need blind trustfully townies here, which would more likely vote Morning (you) instead of me!
4. Alright i am completely disgusting piece of humanity without any brain, we sitting here in 3 person! Probably i will wait before some of you place vote so i can hammer?... PFFFFF!
Hell no. I will place vote first, on Thor (who is more likely to believe i am townie than you) and then ask you to hammer or refuse, which confirms you as Town.


TL DR: If i am mafia, i am degenerate who sabotaged my win condition for whole game without really any reward, expect for being called out and probably getting banned.
I am not degenerate. Thanks.

Vote Thor.

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P.S.

My dear apologise for DGB.
I didn't intent use wrong pronoun and hope you are not angry.

[Enchant]

It's pretty simple.

I decided Thor could be town (yes he can just hammer people as town, let's put it that), as well as Ciph, and they can't be scum both. So voting here is less than 50% chance to hit mafia.

After that i looked on Ydrseee who protected Thor. She avoided my question "Who you think is best elim", but... No one really suspected her.
So basically, Thor hammered = SCUM CLAIM. Ydrseee helps to flashwagon without need = Who is it? So we voted her, she panicked and manipulated us and rest issues.

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DGB being confused also explains why it didnt use its dayvig, although maybe it was offline too

DGB used. It claimed Mason, counterclaimed by Gamma. Then Gamma was shot, and DGB elimmed.

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What a bloodbath!

Honestly i believed we lost already on Elo.

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Did mafia even try to shot me?

Or i was blatant VT?

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HA!

Wait how, Gamma basically claimed.

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But Gamma is last m... Oh well.

Tactical suicide i quess.

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Yeah, setup was fun to play, but required fast fingers.

Thanks.