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Post Post #1275 (isolation #200) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:37 am

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In post 1272, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1268, MafMen wrote:i never vouched for 'random players'
mostly everybody has good feelings about the three players i mentioned
Yep change your tune now
Its not like you compared it to a mislim or anything
i compared it to a potential mislim you bozo
everything in this game comes with risk

p-edit: i said mostly, your reads arent the fucking consensus dude
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #201) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:38 am

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its crazy how egotistical you are
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #202) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:39 am

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In post 1278, Wisdom wrote:Sucks being scum against me, sorry
sucks playing with you in general
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #203) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:41 am

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In post 1280, Wisdom wrote:Then dont
i wont
no chance im inning to another game with a dude who cant get enough of hearing his own voice
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #204) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:53 am

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tw wrote:Infinity 324 - i keep going back & forth they're probably town but oh well there's a margin of error in this setup.
prism wrote:T->S I'm at Wisdom, MafMen, Worst, Infinity, Enchant, Tammy, Pooky, Cookie, Klick with a big gap between MafMen/Worst and another between Tammy/Pooky
theres my opinion of course but not like that matters as an example
In post 468, Klick wrote:
In post 298, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 276, Tammy wrote:Nope. I pretty much have a healthy dose of suspicion of everyone here right now.
imo you're being too paranoid. just because you've falsely cleared people for similar reasons in the past doesn't make them invalid.
Basically this?
Liking Infinity atm
these are just the ones i remember
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #205) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:54 am

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theres also a fair few who havent expressed their opinions on these three whatsoever so i guess i could be wrong
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #206) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:55 am

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i believe consensus opinion on cookie wasnt overtly negative either
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #207) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:09 am

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the focus of the point wasnt meant to be about them anyways but rather letting tammy/tw trustfall eachother is way too low risk low reward for day 1 mafia and arguably negatively affects the game
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #208) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:21 am

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its not about mechanics but that theyre one of the few levelheaded people in this game
after tw/tammy leave the game we will be left with the shittiest chain where pooky scumreads you, and you scumread me
we will implode
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #209) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:22 am

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not to mention we would be the three top posters excluding prism
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #210) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:24 am

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pooky v you, and you v me from my perspective is a bunch of tvt garbage and i know neither you nor pooky will ever give up on your reads so leaving people with speaking power is the logical decision
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #211) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:29 am

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he seemed pretty genuine to me but im not pooky and dont know how he thinks so /shrug

if youre opposed to keeping them around and shooting in one of infinity/enchant, then you trust one of them and leave
us three being at eachothers throats for the rest of the game will have a huge negative impact on town and it would get worse without tw and tammy
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #212) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:35 am

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In post 1293, MafMen wrote:he seemed pretty genuine to me but im not pooky and dont know how he thinks so /shrug

if youre opposed to keeping them around and shooting in one of infinity/enchant, then you trust one of them and leave
us three being at eachothers throats for the rest of the game will have a huge negative impact on town and it would get worse without tw and tammy
i know youre trusting them already but im talking more about the idea of you going instead of those two
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #213) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:46 am

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In post 1298, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i am willing to leave early at this point because i realize i will never be treated fairly by people here despite pouring my heart into this game over and over again and others not even being around
if one of me/you/wisdom is leaving early to prevent any further tension it cannot be you
letting you trustfall completely negates any town incentive you had to go nuclear against wisdom

and by 'people' youre referring to more than just wisdom right
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #214) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:36 am

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In post 1302, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i honestly dont care about the tension anymore

i just want to completely sever myself from this game

its completely ridiculous the way people treat me in this game
im sorry you feel that way but i dont see how youve been treated poorly other than by wisdom
because of this i cant help but feel youre playing the martyr
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #215) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 am

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yeah that is a pretty awful comparison
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #216) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:02 am

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hot shit coming from the guy whos only expressed a whole two reads
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #217) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:05 am

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unless he isnt consensus tr i think enchant is a viable player to place in todays pairings
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #218) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:07 am

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im pretty sure i had a reason to confidently townread infinity and honestly i deadass forgot it
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #219) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:09 am

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Post Post #1322 (isolation #220) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:16 am

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cant wait till one of prism/tammy/tw sees this steaming pile of garbage
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #221) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:44 pm

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In post 1336, the worst wrote:Just realised MafMen's trajectory on me is somewhere between steaming garbage and non-existant vs. Pooky who has a better reason to be paranoid of me (he's watched me having a blast setting up endgames as a villain in a non mafia game and been broken by a scunbuddy + I in our last like ~5 interactions) and wisdom who is just generally uncomfortably good at reading me

Pooky why aren't you reading me as town after Neighbourhood
?
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #222) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:57 pm

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In post 1378, Prism wrote:I will have the time to catch up tomorrow but I don't know if I will have the mental fortitude.

I'm again fine with most of the top townreads pairing off.
the main discussion was about possibly not having tammy and tw be todays pairings and the rest was a 4-way argument between me enchant wisdom and pooky
no need to check
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #223) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:58 pm

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In post 1284, MafMen wrote:theres also a fair few who havent expressed their opinions on these three whatsoever so i guess i could be wrong
@everyone reads on infinity/cookie/enchant?
this is important to me to get answered tho
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #224) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:15 pm

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so infinitys really fallen off for you
i get that i guess
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #225) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:03 pm

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In post 1383, the worst wrote:I'm like :shrug: town? on infinity; hard scum on cookie; hard town on enchant. don't think I'm who you're askin tho.
it was directed to everyone
i wanted to know if shooting in one of those three was viable so my goal with that question was to find out the consensus read on them
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #226) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:42 pm

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In post 1385, the worst wrote:if you trusted enchant i'd do like, a lil happy dance
if people are fine with me leaving sure
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #227) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:04 pm

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which is why i suggested you left out of me/you/pooky lol
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #228) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:22 pm

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im fine with that
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #229) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:02 am

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pooky if this game is really fucking with you this bad then i suggest you replace out, no enmity behind that but rather concern
i felt i was taking you seriously and others probably think the same but maybe we havent been as respectful as we shouldve
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #230) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:08 am

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In post 1438, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if anything I kind of enjoy this kind of suffering.

My life is too nice and comfortable.
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #231) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:09 am

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jesus christ duck i leave for 9 hours and youre already encroaching on my second highest poster
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #232) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:50 am

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oh my bad was not my intention to come off as wanting pooky to replace out there
thanks for the reminder
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #233) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:51 am

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Post Post #1454 (isolation #234) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:52 am

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wisdom please for the sake of this game accept the trust
literally all you have to do to keep me from leaving is simply ask the town to never trust me
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #235) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:18 am

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In post 1469, Prism wrote:Okay, now I can comment I guess.

His comments were so wildly conflicting, borderline flopping, and delusional that it is hard to see them as town for any reason other than sheer absurdity. I pulled a scum tactic of making the game unpleasant for him personally. Part of me feels he wouldn't do that because normally, when he is not fucking insane, he is very adamant about other all players having fun.
he was town only in the situation that he remains to f-2, since he consented to doing so when he blew up against wisdom
there is no scum motivation behind seriously intending to remain in the game and likely nobody would be ever trustfalling with him after that
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #236) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:18 am

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LOL
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #237) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:19 am

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yeah we talked alot about doing but never really made anything of it
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #238) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:23 am

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In post 1476, Prism wrote:Insisting on being in the Final 2 is a fine tactic as scum and Pooky willfully missing that was ???

It is betting on being townread
along with the other person
which with Wisdom is not hard.
his adamancy on staying in the game was what made me townread him so heavily, it did drop alot when he started to backpedal on that stance though
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #239) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:25 am

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LOL
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #240) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:27 am

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filling a hole the duck leaves is always a heavy crown to bear
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #241) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:33 am

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sounds good to me
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #242) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:34 am

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theres a nagging voice in my head though that tells me that that both scum being in the inactives is a too easy
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #243) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:36 am

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LOL fuck you didnt have to throw a punch that hard
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #244) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:28 am

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In post 1606, Prism wrote:My current predicament is that I trust MafMen more then Enchant, but trust Enchant more than Infinity/cookie/Klick.

If Enchant is scum, those 4 (MafMen/Infinity/cookie/Klick) have to make another pairing. Very few other people share my MafMen read to begin with, but even in a world where he got to choose picking a decisively town out of those 3 is HARD
i would not trust me with a make or break decision
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Post Post #1658 (isolation #245) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:26 pm

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In post 1637, Tammy wrote:mafmen - I don't know who you are or think I know if you're an alt. There is someone who double posts a lot but I don't think you are them.
im losing my mind
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #246) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:35 pm

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In post 1640, Tammy wrote:Yeah I think it’s going to be a game of a lack of reads. Sorry, not my finest hour. Just read madmen, enchant, infinity,cookie and klick and I don’t really have a smoking gun on any of them. I’m going to read prism and wisdom but I don’t have time for that tonight. I have a dentist appointment super early in the morning and need to go to sleep soon. I don’t think I have as late of a day tomorrow, so I’ll be around earlier.

I think that infinity/klick could have Scum, but I don’t feel really confident in that. I wish there was more from both.

Maf - you seemed to read wisdom town from early on even through your discussion with him, but then it seemed like you dropped him from your town reads after the pooky argument? Am I understanding that evolution correctly? If so, why did it drop?

I had cookie as a scumteam earlier but I’m hesitating on that.
i hope im not being pedantic again in saying this but he wasnt the only read that dropped at the time
the pooky v wisdom implosion left me completely lost so pretty much everyone in my reads except prism and pooky dropped to null, i eventually decided to act like that interaction never happened and go back to older reads
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #247) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:08 pm

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In post 1677, Prism wrote:I'm not frustrated with you, I'm frustrated with the people who do not take the prospect of scum being in the block seriously and think that if they sleepwalk into the final 4 and don't do shit beforehand they will obviously win anyway.
i personally have nothing to say
im fine with the pairings and i have thought about the chance that there is mafia in them but what will just thinking about it benefit? its not like we will forsake our reads just because we are paranoid so what are we to do?
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #248) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:10 pm

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ive just been waiting for ppl to quickvote
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #249) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:14 pm

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i mean tammy does have the option of trusting cookie but would that really be the best choice?
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #250) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:03 pm

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probably a language barrier there
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Post Post #1704 (isolation #251) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:14 am

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In post 1702, cool cookie wrote:just catching up on last few pages. slightly surprised to see the charm offensive from Prism to Tammy - seems like a very eager push to lock in a reciprocated trust and leave the game, which doesn't accord well with a player who holds themselves to high standards and would perhaps be happy to remain around to influence the crunch decision(s) later. If Prism really believes she can leave whenever she wants and really cares about solving the game, not sure I understand why she would be so desperate to leave today and not play a part in those decision(s). still reading...
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thats what you took from what she said?
big misrep there
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #252) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:20 am

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In post 1706, cool cookie wrote:
In post 1704, MafMen wrote:
In post 1702, cool cookie wrote:just catching up on last few pages. slightly surprised to see the charm offensive from Prism to Tammy - seems like a very eager push to lock in a reciprocated trust and leave the game, which doesn't accord well with a player who holds themselves to high standards and would perhaps be happy to remain around to influence the crunch decision(s) later. If Prism really believes she can leave whenever she wants and really cares about solving the game, not sure I understand why she would be so desperate to leave today and not play a part in those decision(s). still reading...
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thats what you took from what she said?
big misrep there
can you explain what you mean here?
my bad probably more accurate to call it strawmanning
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #253) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:20 am

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In post 1707, Infinity 324 wrote:this is probably a cold take, but i think cookie is actually the scum who wants prism not to pair
no you could definitely be onto something
their late game has been kinda crap tbqh
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #254) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:24 am

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In post 1688, Wisdom wrote:I think I prefer Tammy/Cookie

Enchant/Prism might hide a scum in them if not both. It's true that the designated final 4 are far too okay with the plan for this to be good
if there had to be a scum in enchant/wisdom id be leaning wisdom just for this post tbh
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #255) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:25 am

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i feel like trust testing enchant, anyone oppose?
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #256) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:32 am

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In post 1713, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1711, MafMen wrote:i feel like trust testing enchant, anyone oppose?
why
because all this meandering is frustrating lol
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #257) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:42 am

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In post 1718, cool cookie wrote:
In post 1708, MafMen wrote:
In post 1706, cool cookie wrote:
In post 1704, MafMen wrote:
In post 1702, cool cookie wrote:just catching up on last few pages. slightly surprised to see the charm offensive from Prism to Tammy - seems like a very eager push to lock in a reciprocated trust and leave the game, which doesn't accord well with a player who holds themselves to high standards and would perhaps be happy to remain around to influence the crunch decision(s) later. If Prism really believes she can leave whenever she wants and really cares about solving the game, not sure I understand why she would be so desperate to leave today and not play a part in those decision(s). still reading...
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thats what you took from what she said?
big misrep there
can you explain what you mean here?
my bad probably more accurate to call it strawmanning
are you able to be specific? in what way do you think it was strawmanning? I don't see it.
because you somehow got "prism is desperately trying to exit the game" instead of "prism is anxious about the alignments of wisdom/enchant"
its definitely not a good look to misrep someones argument this hard
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #258) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:45 am

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you tellin me the guy who religiously stalks this thread sat on what prism said and didnt back her up for a full 12 hours? then while backing up her point he throws her in as potential scum?
yeah thats whack bruh
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #259) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:50 am

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oh wow thats a lot of pressure
do i quickly get the hell out of this game and never look back or do i stay and listen to wisdom keeping me as lockscum for the rest of the game without trying to change his mind
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #260) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:51 am

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Trust: Prism

yeah get me out
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #261) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:53 am

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and here i was before the trust about to make a post about scum!prism being fucking terrifying to play against
got bamboozled again
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #262) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:54 am

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dont remember you having this meta as scum but i guess its been awhile
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #263) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:55 am

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ez throw but im not in this game anymore so i no longer have any responsibility
peace
im never checking this thread again lolol
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #264) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:56 am

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oh boy
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #265) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:58 am

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on the brightside apparently tammy was going to trust prism so i can shirk some guilt
unless prism and tammy played the best goddamn games of their lives and are mafia
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #266) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:00 am

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if you and tammy are theatre thats still crazy
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #267) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:01 am

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In post 1740, Prism wrote:
Spoiler: It's only fitting that I leave you with a song
i hate you jfc
completely pocketed
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #268) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:00 pm

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In post 1768, Tammy wrote:Yay!

Woods! I woke up late for work then when I had a minute my eye doctor called to say my glasses were in, and it was either go there immediately or wait until next week. You got me on your troll though.

This was a nice decently
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, which was nice when I was t sure if I was up for mafia yet.
lol
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #269) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:34 am

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In post 582, Klick wrote:I find myself agreeing with MafMen through most of this argument, while also finding him most likely to be scum out of him/Wisdom/Pooky
yoink
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #270) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:45 am

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when i said crap i didnt mean ur play was bad as a townie i thought it u seemed wolfy lol
my bad
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