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If we double eliminate we will never get to use the good PRs because the game will end night 2 or 3.In post 84, Radical Rat wrote:
I think we should use both eliminations. Information from flips is worth it, and the fewer living slots the more likely it is we get something useful out of the future PRs.In post 72, Dunnstral wrote:
You're right. So do you think we should no eliminate here so we're not suck on evens?In post 70, Radical Rat wrote:This is our one and only chance at a no lim. Regular eliminations are mandatory-
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With the inform ability, the first vote of the day is what determines who is informed, not a majority. So the mafia could bulletproof one of themselves? (can they) and then vote for themselves as soon as day starts so no one knows the alignment. So if anyone votes quickly or for themselves if we get the inform ability (which I doubt we will anyway) that's very sus.-
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Ok I seeIn post 115, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:-Inform, the mafia chooses a player to gain bulletproof. The first vote of the day will tell the voted player what alignment the chosen player is at the start of the night phase.
So this is what I thought it meant, @mod could you tell us if this is correct:
Mafia selects a person to gait bulletproof. During the ability phase we vote on a player to receive the result. The voted player is then told if the bulletproof player is town or mafia.
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- We don't know who the bulletproof is while we are voting for who to receive the result
- Scum will probably try to get themselves voted as the informed player who receives the result, so they can then lie about it.
- The bulletproof and the informed (player who receives the investigation result) could end up being the same person, who would then get results on them self.
- if we get a confirmed innocent from this action, Mafia can't kill them at any point because they are bulletproof (I don't understand what is mean't by this thing of scum shooting the bulletproof twice, they are not a 1-shot bulletproof and the scum PM says "you can no longer kill the chosen player, ever" so scum shooting the bulletproof twice in a row doesn't break the protection and kill them, it would be a no-kill two nights in a row)-
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Literally most of my posts are explaining why I don't think a double elim is a good idea, including my first post, I just forgot to vote for it because I didn't think it was something we wold vote for I though it would just happen when the ability phase ended. Other than that I misunderstood the inform ability and said I wanted to see who was NK'd. I haven't expressed any strong reads because I don't have any yetIn post 148, Dunnstral wrote:They are jumping around between things and don't have strong opinions. They hopped onto no elim without a reason.-
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She's definitely trying to make you think she's town and she probably thinks you are town. I doubt that you two are a scumteam but individually for her im not sure yet. She is probably hyper aware of what I will read her for so it will be tricky, probably easier in day 2 tho.In post 147, Alianna wrote:Also, @Cat and Goldie, what are your thoughts on each other so far?-
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I wouldn't say a slow start because we are already on page 7 but I agree in that I have mostly null reads on everyone and there hasn't been much AI content.In post 153, Alianna wrote: Can confirm we are not a scumteam.
My read on her, like on everybody else, is pure null. I have some vibes from a couple of people, but no real evidence. Idk if it's just me, but it feels like this game has gotten off to a really slow start.-
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I only voted for you because no one else had and I didn't actually want to eliminate someone. I just wanted to vote in RVS that's all, it didn't have a purpose other than maybe a reaction because you still hadn't posted anything that helped me read you (most people hadn't tho). Looking back I didn't remember posting it till I saw it again and it's not something I would normally do and was kinda odd but I was using this site to procrastinate.-
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While this is correct that the likelyhood of voting out a mafia today after voting twice is around 50% (and theres also a possiblity that we vote out the planned night kill which would also stop a 6 player melo) I still don't think it's worth it. If we vote once and don't get a mafia out it kinda sucks but its mostly fine, if we vote twice and fail, it puts us into a dire situation in which we will probably lose, we will only have night kill info from one kill which wont be very useful. (because they chose who to night kill in advance we wont be able to decide who would want that person dead because of what has happened in the game but only from meta analysis.)In post 185, Dunnstral wrote:
Just want to point out that there is a 39.5% chance of hitting mafia today if we vote completely randomly with both votesIn post 184, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:So currently with the game state I think we should go for a no-elimination,because it's too risky to hit two townies, which is the most likely outcome.
If we can correctly identify two town players before eliminations then that number jumps up to 48.9%
If you are also a town player and can correctly identify two other town players while removing yourself from the equation, that number jumps up to a 55.5% chance to be pushing one of the mafia today
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In post 191, furtiveglance wrote:Take note of these bloodthirsty vultures surrounding my still breathing body....do not become one yourself. Anyone who has played this game knows it's very rare mafia are voted day 1. I'm not mafia, I' very surprised that anyone voting me thinks I'm mafia, and no clue as to why.
I don't really like this response, furtive has been slightly different. Definitely not willing to vote for them yet.In post 193, furtiveglance wrote:and I can refute all of those baseless arguments. If I was scum with nothing to say, I wouldn't say that. The gamestate was stale and I commented on it. So what. It's a well known fact that town is eliminated day 1 in most games. I also have the added knowledge that I'm town. The most redundant of your arguments against me seems to imply that I was against using the double elimination just because I was the most popular vote. This is false. I always wanted to No Eliminate first, and stated that at the time. As for my outrage at being called scum, Titus' read had no basis or explanation. So yes I was baffled. As for not pushing my current reads, I really don't know what you mean. I've been consistent on voting No Eliminate, and I've also been open with my reads on players, even asking others to comment on them. So I did push there without being prodded.
In other words, get your murderous hands off me you greedy opportunist.
Yes I know I how I sound. I think it's warranted if you actually read the game though, and see how unfairly I'm being treated.
I am sure that town are smart enough not to condemn me here anyway, so have fun being left looking desperate and exposed.
The whole 'town is smart enough not to vote for me' is a blatant manipulation tactic and I dont agree that mafia wont get voted out on day one simplybecauseit is day one, its less likely but definitely possible. (sometimes early reads can actually be better (not always) because as the game goes on it can get kinda muddled and the mafia can learn what to say to get positive reactions from town and you forget about the mistakes they made early on. Ppl base votes off of who they have become friends with or who is currently agreeing with them instead of of logic)-
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Sorry I cant just say everything in one post but it Dunnstral is mafia and furtive flips green it will look pretty bad for them and Titus (& maybe but less so Radical Rat)In post 198, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I dont think mafia would want to go against the most popular opinion that much (even if it will allow them to win quicker)
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In post 6, furtiveglance wrote:so we get 2 eliminations today. That's interesting. How about anyone who leads on town gets quickhammered afterwards?In post 7, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: furtiveglance
How about anyone who suggests quickhammering gets quickhammered afterwards?
I saw all these posts as completely joking around. I was confused when I saw ppl taking the greeting the game vote and quickhammer thing seriously. Earlier when you asked 'is that so?' when furtive said they always wanted no elimination i typed up a post saying I thought they were joking also that it was only their 2nd post but decided against it because I didn't want to speak for furtive and also wanted to see what they would say.In post 8, furtiveglance wrote:You're happy to lead on town then Radical Rat...you know the deal.-
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I see how furtives reactions might not look so good but I think this could be coming from an annoyed town.In post 248, Radical Rat wrote:If it was actually a joke, then I apologize. I sometimes have difficulty discerning jokes from serious statements, as evidenced by well... This.
I do still think your reactions to pressure look very not good, but I will need to re-read and re-evaluate things with that in mind before making proper judgement, and I don't really have the energy for that tonight, so look forward to that tomorrow.
I do still 100% stand by using the elimination being the correct decision though, that's not affected by any of this-
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I don't think we will get a turn around and an elimination today, I think its best if someone hammers so we can stop talking about if we should double eliminate or if something was a joke or not and get onto more helpful things.In post 247, Alianna wrote:We aren't going to get a good wagon in the time we have. I think it's best we just end the phase so we can move on from this argument and discuss reads.-
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Exactly, this is the only one that might benefit them. Tomorrow I feel like we will get watch, track or imprison, which I will have something to say abt depending on which one we get but i dont wanna say it in front of mafiaIn post 267, Dunnstral wrote:I simply think that scum decided to put the kill first when they felt it would be the least harmful to themselves-
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I'm not saying those things arent important because they very much are but I dont feel like they help me read people. With the choice to doible eliminate the conversation felt stuck and circular and scum or town could be on either side imo (though you maybe get some stuff off it based on flips and its likely maybe that both scum were on the same side???). And the joke thing was important for you to clear up but personally it didnt change much for me. That point was kinda a miss because it was good it was talked about znd its not like you can ask in PMs. Not everything needs to be super alignment indicative but it is rough when nothing is.In post 263, Radical Rat wrote:
What makes these discussions not helpful? I think deciding to eliminate is a very important decision, and if someone presents a more compelling reason than simply being afraid of missing, I'd be happy to hammer a no lim. Can't happen if we don't talk about it though.In post 251, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I don't think we will get a turn around and an elimination today, I think its best if someone hammers so we can stop talking about if we should double eliminate or if something was a joke or not and get onto more helpful things.In post 247, Alianna wrote:We aren't going to get a good wagon in the time we have. I think it's best we just end the phase so we can move on from this argument and discuss reads.
Likewise, the joke thing was a misconception that informed my scumread, and that's important to clear up, is it not?-
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Okay so I was thinking about if Furtive was scum, who would be their scumbuddy?
I think it would be pretty crazy if Dunnstral, RadicalRat, or Titus is their scumbuddy.
Malcolm Tucker I really dont think is because of 100 and 102 along with other posts
Flea I dont think is because of 209, now normally I would consider the possibility of them being a scumbuddy but who doesn't want to go down with furtive so they decide its better to add some pressure to distance themselves but not straight up scum read but this post and the reasons used really dont feel like a scum buddy interaction.
Alianna 196, slightly less sure but also dont think this is scumbuddy behaviour.
Lastly there's Goldfish who i feel could be a possible scumbuddy, the RVS vote for Furtive coulda been orchestrated. She also was the only one who put basically no pressure on furtive, I will admit tho, I myself didnt say very much against them.
Ofc this all only matters if furtive is scum, but I dont know if I want to vote them soon and find out so oh well.
I could spend 5 hrs doing this ^ for everyone so if we find one mafia we will instantly know the other (because my assumptions are definitely always right) but im tired and also i dont think doing this will be as clear cut for other people and things might change but i thought this was worth it in case the furtive wagon rolls on into elim phase.
Basically what im saying is if furtive is scum goldfish would prolly be a good vote, if goldfish is town i think furtive is too?
(also just in case i get night killed, which i feel like i wont, i dont think Goldfish would wanna kill me night 1 (and its okay for me to say this because they cant change their minds) though she could probably be persuaded idk)-
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I think regardless of if we get a furtive flip that post was useful, this game has some interesting possiblities in which we can gain information without having to eliminate. It also helped me wrap my head around this confusing game. Idk what ELI5 means but right now I unapologetically town read furtive, its not a strong town read and if we get some actual reasons they are mafia other that 'being too defensive' (which yes can be scummy but town do it too, especially furtive) then i think their partner is goldfish.In post 276, Flea The Magician wrote:
So the weird thing here for me is you're hunting associatives without a flip or even confidence in pre-flip.In post 273, Cat.Jpeg wrote:Okay so I was thinking about if Furtive was scum, who would be their scumbuddy?
I think it would be pretty crazy if Dunnstral, RadicalRat, or Titus is their scumbuddy.
Malcolm Tucker I really dont think is because of 100 and 102 along with other posts
Flea I dont think is because of 209, now normally I would consider the possibility of them being a scumbuddy but who doesn't want to go down with furtive so they decide its better to add some pressure to distance themselves but not straight up scum read but this post and the reasons used really dont feel like a scum buddy interaction.
Alianna 196, slightly less sure but also dont think this is scumbuddy behaviour.
Lastly there's Goldfish who i feel could be a possible scumbuddy, the RVS vote for Furtive coulda been orchestrated. She also was the only one who put basically no pressure on furtive, I will admit tho, I myself didnt say very much against them.
Ofc this all only matters if furtive is scum, but I dont know if I want to vote them soon and find out so oh well.
I could spend 5 hrs doing this ^ for everyone so if we find one mafia we will instantly know the other (because my assumptions are definitely always right) but im tired and also i dont think doing this will be as clear cut for other people and things might change but i thought this was worth it in case the furtive wagon rolls on into elim phase.
Basically what im saying is if furtive is scum goldfish would prolly be a good vote, if goldfish is town i think furtive is too?
(also just in case i get night killed, which i feel like i wont, i dont think Goldfish would wanna kill me night 1 (and its okay for me to say this because they cant change their minds) though she could probably be persuaded idk)
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The first two people in your list are the two who didnt have a vote at the end of the ability phase. Also you townread titus for having 'illogical/unwarranted/aggressive/scathing' posts but scumread RadicalRat for what sounds like the same thing. What's the difference between them?-
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You're relying way to much from meta from one game, in which I was friendly neighbour, not just a townie. This also feels like ur scumreading me just so ppl dont think we are a scumteam.In post 304, furtiveglance wrote:Cat.Jpeg: Playing a safe game right now. Trying to look busy. This can come from town, just not usually. Crossreferencing their posting with Mewbie 2092 (our previous game together) makes me really uneasy. They're not playing in the same way at all. Obviously the atmosphere is different this game, but they seem a bit stiff/awkward here. I think it's nervous scum, the other explanation is they haven't settled into the game yet. which would be fair as it's been a bit hostile (myself included). but yeah. personality has completely changed since 2092. scumread.-
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Malcolm said if furtive was scum I looked like the most likely partner, theres also a vote for me. I am also one of the only ppl saying I think their town. Thats why i think they want to distance themselves.-
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In post 318, Radical Rat wrote:
To address this point, and also Flea's request for more than "too defensive,"In post 304, furtiveglance wrote:they voted me based on their own mistake which they admitted, but then are clinging to scumreading me because my reaction was apparently 'weird'. great.
It's just the defensiveness alone, it's the nature of the defense. Like, you start out with just blatant OMGUS, and only very recently started to branch out from that. It felt like you were more concerned with getting people off of you than onto scum, and that's a strange attitude for Town to have so early on with only a couple votes actually on you.
That, and the way you approached the no lim, framing analysis of a potential elimination as useless because both alignments vote both ways sometimes. Which is true, but if that really made analysis useless Mafia as a game wouldn't really work. Everyone else seemed to agree that it would be useful, just not worth the numbers disadvantage, which I think iswrong,but makes sense. Saying nothing matters and there's no useable information to be gleaned feels like an attempt to stoke apathy and discourage pressure and scumhunting.
It wasn't Flea who said they wanted more of a reason to scumread Furtive than 'too defensive'. It was me, there was a quote error so it looked different. (go back to the post and you can see it but I got rid of the error in this so you could see it was all Fleas post).In post 314, Flea The Magician wrote:I think regardless of if we get a furtive flip that post was useful, this game has some interesting possiblities in which we can gain information without having to eliminate. It also helped me wrap my head around this confusing game. Idk what ELI5 means but right now I unapologetically town read furtive, its not a strong town read and if we get some actual reasons they are mafia other that 'being too defensive' (which yes can be scummy but town do it too, especially furtive) then i think their partner is goldfish.
ELI5 is Educate me Like I'm 5.
You're still making associatives for some reason, so then you solve that I can see stands at Goldfish and Furtive.
Why goldfish?
After your response I'm still not convinced there is a good reason to scumread furtive knowing-ish the way they play as town.
As for responding to flea. At the time I thought Furtive was probably town because of the post where I went and read everyone ISO's and thought no one could be scumbuddies with them other than goldfish (which i still didnt think was likely but the only non-surprising combination). Why goldfish? Process of elimination. Read the post. I now no longer think that because they just made a townblock together which would be a bold move. I'm also townreading goldfish, she couldve easily gotten me voted out just then if she was scum. Unless im NK'd pretty confident she's town because otherwise from a mafia perspective there would be negative incentive to say that. (unless she really wants to elim someone scumreading her scumbuddy or smt). It also felt genuine.
I will make a readlist but it will be rushed because i have a lot of stuff to do today-
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Goldfish- For previously stated reasons
Furtive- For previously stated reasons
Flea- Just seems like faes trying to solve the game, not associated with anyone
Alianna- From last game its clear I cant read you, I liked 147, good way to progress the game, recent readlist felt towny
Titus- Since the start I didn't love how gung-ho you were about Double eliminating. Going after Alianna feels kinda random, sorry to hear that you're not feeling happy right now
Dunnstral- Thought you were town because of you pushing double elim, thought it would be risky for scum to do, looking back that wasnt a great reason. A lot of your posts seem a bit manipulative. I dont think you using math was scummy at all but what was scummy was the math wasnt super positive yet you didnt question it at all.
RadicalRat- Feels like you nitpick things and your reasoning is shaky. Feels like your scumread reasons are manufactured. Posts (281, 123, 104, 318)
Malcolm Tucker- I want to read your other games so I know what you are usually like. Theres nothing particularly scummy in your posts. Its perfect... too perfect. Null for now-
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In post 338, furtiveglance wrote:Goldfish
What do you think of Cat? There is a cloud of suspicion around them. Also, do you like my readslist?
Ah yes if you tell people they scumread me then they will. No reasons required.In post 361, furtiveglance wrote:Consensus scumread appears to be Cat.Jpeg at the moment. I think Alianna is town
(I am aware I am being scumread by most? people but no one has connected that to an understandable reason imo)
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Idk who to vote for. I don't know what to think.In post 373, furtiveglance wrote:Goldfish where is the readslist?
And can people who aren't voting vote or explain why they refuse?
VOTE: RadicalRat because reasons in my readlist-
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Titus seems to be picking a person and then scumreading them for whatever they do. First Alianna, then Dunnstral.In post 380, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Titus
You know Elitelling is bad and this doesn't fit your usual logic for a good vote. You also can struggle with content as scum, and from what I can see you're floundering here.-
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I skimmed Newbie 2088, I now townlean on malcolmIn post 353, Cat.Jpeg wrote:Goldfish- For previously stated reasons
Furtive- For previously stated reasons
Flea- Just seems like faes trying to solve the game, not associated with anyone
Alianna- From last game its clear I cant read you, I liked 147, good way to progress the game, recent readlist felt towny
Titus- Since the start I didn't love how gung-ho you were about Double eliminating. Going after Alianna feels kinda random, sorry to hear that you're not feeling happy right now
Dunnstral- Thought you were town because of you pushing double elim, thought it would be risky for scum to do, looking back that wasnt a great reason. A lot of your posts seem a bit manipulative. I dont think you using math was scummy at all but what was scummy was the math wasnt super positive yet you didnt question it at all.
RadicalRat- Feels like you nitpick things and your reasoning is shaky. Feels like your scumread reasons are manufactured. Posts (281, 123, 104, 318)
Malcolm Tucker- I want to read your other games so I know what you are usually like. Theres nothing particularly scummy in your posts. Its perfect... too perfect. Null for now-
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I know you're probably trying to read me better but this is so random. I just wasnt thinking about voting earlier and then I was reading back and did.-
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I thought it was mildly humorous. Sorry for being inactive today. Will post more tmr morning.In post 416, furtiveglance wrote:
This is such a weird comment. Do you think it proves that we're all town? What's the point of commenting on this?In post 400, Cat.Jpeg wrote:me, RR, and furtive in a triangle, nice-
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I think Alianna is an okay vote for today but I don’t think 363 is a scummy post. I think it’s also a bit weird you townread the early posts before but now scum read them. I will say I don’t like 443 but a lot of the points in this are flimsy like you already decided alianna was scum and we’re just finding things to affirm that. I think the case on Alianna is a lot smaller than you are pretending it is.In post 460, furtiveglance wrote:I'm moving my vote, so I'll give a quick scumcase on Alianna.
Initial posting is some mech talk, NAI in my book.
146 and 147 are the first posts that catch my eye - asking questions is fine, it's just easy for scum to do in order to look busy.
153 gives blanket null reads on everyone. But then 177 agrees with my crazed posting about Titus being 'incredibly scummy'.
299 is a big readslist with 2 scumreads. One is Titus - who they've been consistent with (e.g. 196), but the other one is me. They say we're both sus but not paired, which feels like too much of a 'gimme' at that point in the game - to point out how Titus and I clearly weren't paired scum.
363 I think is Alianna's scummiest post so far. I don't like the phrase "This is explicitly not an OMGUS vote". It smacks of self-awareness.
443 is unlikely to come from town. I don't like it at all because it seems to imply second thoughts on their scumread of Titus, but Alianna doesn't unvote. 445 is sitting on the fence and self-justifying.
(I hope I'm not scumreading town!Alianna 2 games running...)
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I think i lean voting alianna over titus however If i were to join the alianna wagon that would leave alianna themselves as the decider. Wonder who they would vote for?
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you, yourself dont associate with anyone or that you dont see value in analysing day 1 associatives. I dissagree if it is the latter.In post 481, Flea The Magician wrote:I don't do D1 associatives.-
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why?In post 481, Flea The Magician wrote:Cat.jpeg is also a top scum read for me at the moment.-
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Actually if someone left the titus wagon then joined alianna it could still change. I focused on goldfish because i know she might be awake.In post 485, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I think i lean voting alianna over titus however If i were to join the alianna wagon that would leave alianna themselves as the decider. Wonder who they would vote for?
I would like a majority vote. If goldfish left the titus wagon they would still be eliminated as per the rules. hmm. I will let it ride-
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If alianna was scum she literally just sacrificed herself, if she didnt unvote she would be safe for today by now. (assuming flea would still vote titus) Unless she made a huge blunder or they are a team who would rather keep titus alive no way this came from scumIn post 479, Alianna wrote:UNVOTE:
Having second thoughts for the one hundred and second time, may or may not have found something fishy, need to reread some stuff, but it’s way too late to do that rn. May put this back later.-
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In post 481, Flea The Magician wrote:at this point as we have no competing wagon which would indicate to me a red flip.
Lacking Logic, u literally made this post right after the VCIn post 484, Flea The Magician wrote:Oh and Alianna, your turn to be bitten by The Flea tomorrow.
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If alianna gets Nk'd im gonna be very mad, enough posting from me. Not hammering titus because i cant post an intent and still hoping you all wake up in the middle of the night to vote rr with me :)-
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because this, which seems genuineIn post 472, Alianna wrote:My vote is still on Titus because I think she and RR are the most likely here to flip scum and her wagon has more support. I wouldn’t mind voting for either and might still consider switching in the next 6 hours (won’t be on again until the deadline has passed, if I’m still alive).-
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Would Scum Alianna risk getting eliminated for 'not looking to obvious'In post 494, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Eh I dunno, if Titus comes back town here you'd wager Alianna is the favourite for elimination tomorrow depending on what happens overnight. Could have been Alianna panicking to a degree the vote seemed too obvious, they weren't at E-1 yet I don't think when they unvoted.In post 489, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
If alianna was scum she literally just sacrificed herself, if she didnt unvote she would be safe for today by now. (assuming flea would still vote titus) Unless she made a huge blunder or they are a team who would rather keep titus alive no way this came from scumIn post 479, Alianna wrote:UNVOTE:
Having second thoughts for the one hundred and second time, may or may not have found something fishy, need to reread some stuff, but it’s way too late to do that rn. May put this back later.Scum don't want to appear too obvious on D1 after all. Also unless I'm readingly wrongly did the unvote not come before the most recent vote for Titus?
When alianna made the post Titus was at e-1 and Alianna was at e-2. (majority is not needed for an elim though and if no one voted until the deadline titus would be voted out).
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Guys lets not get hasty, the mafia probably have their NK on who they think will get informed and will be trying to get that person voted. So I reckon goldfish might be dying soon, other possibilities are malcolm and flea. I was originally going to sit back and watch anyone overly eager to get someone informed but if I wait for everyone to give their opinion goldfish will probably be voted by then. I would rather we vote furtive but ive been considering the possibility that the scumread on titus then the turnaround might have been orchestrated for town cred but avoid being acused of TMI but i will need to read some stuff again to determine if that seems likely. We could also vote me :)In post 535, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'd generally agree here. There's a part of me that's slightly hesitant though because Goldfish was ultimately on a town wagon I thought was quite bad...but I get not everyone on said wagon is going to be scum and players do make mistakes. Will put my vote on Goldfish for now, but I am open to alternative ideas/suggestions if anyone has them. However, struggling to think of too many players I'm entirely confident on here to be informed.In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there. I think Goldfish is the most town for me.
I would like to inform Goldfish.
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I personally want imprison, sure we dont get a definite answer but i think it would be more fun if we hit something, also slightly more likely. Also track will get much more op if only one mafia is left, so will imprison but less so (because if there are 2 scum and they know we are more sus of one they will make the other do the kill.) Watch will just be really good with less people alive (mafia will expect that we watch most townread player and so they wont kill them, wifom ensues)In post 539, furtiveglance wrote:true. town actually have some good abilities in this setup, I'm looking forward to Track and Watch if scum are taking requests :)-
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it says in the setup, at the start of the next nightphase. otherwise really unfair to the mafia and you might as well just announce the bulletproof to everyone (well there is the possibility of goldfish being mafia and lying but i dont think so)In post 542, furtiveglance wrote:I assumed Goldfish would be informed after the inform phase but before the main vote to kill phase.
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Responding to bold. I think they would base if off of who they though would be the most likely to get informed, which I doubt is furtive. Yes furtive is trying to solve and poses a threat but as mafia wouldnt you try to stop the chance of a definitively confirmed immortal townie and leave the flip-floppy speculators for another day.In post 545, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Surely Furtive would also be at risk of elimination in the night phase if they are town though? If they aren't mafia then they are making an active effort to solve and figure out the game here. I don't think their elimination (if not mafia) is any less likely than that of myself/Goldfish/Flea here.In post 541, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
Guys lets not get hasty, the mafia probably have their NK on who they think will get informed and will be trying to get that person voted. So I reckon goldfish might be dying soon, other possibilities are malcolm and flea. I was originally going to sit back and watch anyone overly eager to get someone informed but if I wait for everyone to give their opinion goldfish will probably be voted by then.In post 535, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'd generally agree here. There's a part of me that's slightly hesitant though because Goldfish was ultimately on a town wagon I thought was quite bad...but I get not everyone on said wagon is going to be scum and players do make mistakes. Will put my vote on Goldfish for now, but I am open to alternative ideas/suggestions if anyone has them. However, struggling to think of too many players I'm entirely confident on here to be informed.In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there. I think Goldfish is the most town for me.
I would like to inform Goldfish.
VOTE: Goldfish
VOTE: GoldfishI would rather we vote furtivebut ive been considering the possibility that the scumread on titus then the turnaround might have been orchestrated for town cred but avoid being acused of TMI but i will need to read some stuff again to determine if that seems likely. We could also vote me :)
Also its kinda interesting that we got inform, i was not expecting that.Remember, it's not as if mafia knew overnight who we'd potentially want to inform- so it would quite frankly just be complete coincidence if they happen to hit Goldfish in the night, to give an example. And ultimately I'm not sure I'd want to go for a less trusted player because there's then surely a greater chance that said player ends up turning out to be mafia.
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true, but honestly if that happened i would be inclined to believe them, it would be slightly worse. Also I just thought of something, what if bulletproof is actually the most scummy-looking town and mafia are banking on them getting eliminated today, but if they dont get eliminated it will be especially useful to town because we dont just get confirmation of a town read we already had. more wifom-
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I find it humorous that because Titus was NK'd it's almost like we didn't eliminate twice. They would hate that. Im going to look at the game again with the knowledge 2 people knew Titus was the nightkill. The final vote count has me, furtive, malcolm, and alianna not voting titus but i dont think thats too useful because i think the mafia (at least one of them) ended up voting titus in the end to avoid getting voted themselves (rr or dunnstral). Also once again I townlean alianna for how absurd it was for them to unvote on Titus. Early in the game though might yeild more information.-
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I thought inform would be really OP but in order from most impactful to least the mafia can: get the BP elimmed, get one of the mafia informed, NK the informed, get the informed elimmed (highly unlikely but possible), or get the BP to be informed so they just have a townread of themselves (which if one of the mafia were informed they would probably pretend this is what had happened or give a townread of their partner), to soften the blow to them.