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Second

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Even 80085?

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Roden did you vote titus because of the 9s or is it random

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80085

If I turn my phone upside down it turns into something naughty

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I have a cool thought experiment I want to try.

Let's all write down which three numbers we would submit if we were running a scum team.

I will explain after everyone writes down their numbers how this will help us.

I will go first.

1, 3, 13

I would literally ask the scumpartners to pick for me because I'm sure someone else besides me has a winning strat

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Sqooq is my new favorite word

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Wow I don't even like boobs

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Me either

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It's true that town can pick high numbers as well, and we know at least one player did. The reason I'm suspicious of the high numbers is because there's way more of them than usual. Since town pick individually and scum co ordinate, an anomaly like this is likely to be caused by scum, at least in part - you wouldn't expect town choices to be too different in any given game, whereas scum choices are dependent on their strategy. Combine that with Ari bringing up the idea that we should make the assumption of zero or possibly one scum in the high numbers and I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of her.

i like this post

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like its

1. counter to their win condition by making their picks likely suboptimal in pick priority

2. counter to their win condition by making their picks stand out and look weird

3. they cant all deepwolf

the fact that people think this is a reasonable strategy for a scum team to do and rely on the town colliding for pick priority is kind of silly and nonsensical to me.

i think it's not like scum 100% picked high numbers but the fact that we have high numbers suggests the possibility that scum played with high numbers

i think it likely that 1 or 2 of the high numbers are scum but i want to analyze dayplay to determine who is scummy and then look afterwards and be like "oh, i guess they did/didn't do that"

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aight ari, time's up. tell us what cool shit you're gonna do with the information we gave you.

not everyone has even responded or even put down 3 numbers

i see no point in explaining my thought process if people are unwilling to do a fairly simple task

What was your reasoning behind this exercise?

Why won’t you explain this?

If I propose that everyone does ______ because I think it will help me catch scum

and then most people don't do _____ because they'd rather give a joke answer, they'd rather say they can't come up with the answer, they'd say if they were scum they wouldn't do it, they think its busywork, insert random excuse why picking 3 numbers is unreasonable for me to ask them to do.

then it would be somewhat pointless for me to explain how I get from ______ to "catching scum" because it would be explaining my thought process for scum to play around,

i was being honest, i wouldn't pick the numbers unless i was forced to and even then i'd probably just pick randomly so if you want 3 random numbers i can give them to you but i don't know how that helps or not especially since they'd be inspired by this draft in some way either by me picking 80085 and 999999999999999999999999999999 because i think they're funny or avoiding those numbers because they appeared in the draft.

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i think ari is town tho

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but she hasn't flirted with datisi once this game so that's sus

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NEVER MIND i just didn't get to it lol ari is town

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i know that was mostly a joke

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VOTE: Enchant i like this for now

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i mean...

kind of

it's a sassy way of putting it

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are you voting HEM

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i didn't get a response to my response to doing the task so :shrug:

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will look at the HEM case when i'm not distracted

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VOTE: HEM why not

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this is what happened during the number experiment:

not sure why i didn't get "sensible dodge" but that's okay

do you think my dodging was suspicious or honest?

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For Dats <3

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this is what happened during the number experiment:

w i l d
How is STD’s post less sensible than implo/Titus? I’m like 99% sure he was saying “I’m not skilled at mech so there is little chance I would be running a scum team”
Also my response was not a joke

i wouldn't say i'm not skilled at mech

but i'd say that someone else is willing to put in the effort and that there are indeed people who are better at mech than i am, and with their higher effort and higher mech skills they might be a better choice at divvying out the numbers.

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I will distance myself from this thread until I hear more from Dwlee and std

im not 100% sold on ari's case but of the two of you i think you're more likely to be the scum here

but i'd happily wagon someone else if something more interesting comes my way

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I had to double check I'd not written one of ausuka's posts. Them, delete and probably gamma are on my no elim pile for today.

how the hell did you town read Dwlee from 4 posts most of which were nothing

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you're right dwlee, bella did mention that later

bella can you elaborate

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You and ari are allowed to feel differently about how you acted

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VOTE: dwleeeeeeeee

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I want a pagetop

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Noooo I stopped paying attention

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What does that mean

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I liked 95

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I need more

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I've seen klick not do much and flake out as town

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I'm with you HEM

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hey ari are you scum?

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can you convince me your read on HEM isn't like your read on fire in the coalition game

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what do you think about dwlee

what do you think about HQ coming in to kind of soflty defend dwlee only

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what do you think about HQ coming in to kind of soflty defend dwlee only

this question is open to anyone

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VOTE: HEM

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hmm

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i think i like titus for town

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if HEM is town i think roden is scum

roden might be scum anyways im not so sure i like the lack of presence from him

ari is giving me weird vibes

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i think i annoy gamma so him being engaged/agreeing with me could be a pocket attempt\

i have a lot of thoughts

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i dunno maybe you're right about HEM and i don't have to worry about you

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i think bella could be scum

i think HQ could be partnered with dwlee

mostly i think i'm just bored maybe i'm just saying stuff to stir the pot

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anyone else think roden should have done more by now? I think that's the main one i'd like to pursue

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i need a fucking job

anyone hiring?

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I feel like it's a vibe read with a splash of meta, an oz of not liking the fact you came in saying you hated the posts where people didn't do what ari asked, and a squeeze of your vote on HEM looking bad

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i need a fucking job

anyone hiring?

I am

You can start by trimming the hedges

My rate is $50 an hour

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That sounds like me

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I got bored

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Yeah probably

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Hmm

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Getting bad vibes from mathblade

Slight heartburn from ari

Good vibes from dwlee and HQ

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VOTE: mathblade

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I'm getting so much red energy from mathblade

Imagine a tsunami of power emanating from the Greek symbol pi as a giant red wave and I'm holding up a trashcan lid trying to block it but the wave of scum energy is overpowering and I am swept away in its currents watching everyone go by nooooo help me

It's kinda like that

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I'm getting so much red energy from mathblade

Imagine a tsunami of power emanating from the Greek symbol pi as a giant red wave and I'm holding up a trashcan lid trying to block it but the wave of scum energy is overpowering and I am swept away in its currents watching everyone go by nooooo help me

It's kinda like that

This is superfluous nonsense.

This is saying you scumread me strongly and is very much hyperbole.

Why do you scumread me and why did you (and still are) ignoring my prior question?

How many times have you smoked me as scum

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Can you just link two for me

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I feel very smoked right now

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Ari no longer gives me heartburn

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I liked their recent posting wrt HQ and dwlee

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Mathblade has to go for the discredit with calling me annoying

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That she's attacking you

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When she's like "mathblade might be TMIing std town" I tr that

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Getting bad vibes from mathblade

Slight heartburn from ari

Good vibes from dwlee and HQ

Interesting. Why on the others?

For the me I am going to assume that’s SOP considering how many times I have smoked you as scum before.

Here.
If STD had real reads on Ari/Dwlee/HQ he’d be able to attempt to quantify it.

Instead it looks like his plan is to just be annoying.

Saying he has “bad vibes” from you isn’t fake. If you want to argue that’s nowhere close to an actual case, then I’d agree with you but saying he’s doing this to be “annoying”, I really don’t understand. I think you’re annoyed he’s sr you.

I disagree StD town usually is different.

Lemme get you a sample give me a minute

Oh boy I'm excited for this

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If I could gladiate mathblade right now I would

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

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No I'm voting mathblade now

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Hey you have a cake congrats

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Anyway. Good night thread. I expect to wake up to at least double, if not triple the current page count. Don't disappoint me.

Challenge...

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...accepted!

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So how we doin folks

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I'm worried now I'm tunneling mathblade but I still think he could be scum.

Ari is there a reason you didn't vote mathblade

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any thoughts?

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VOTE: hem

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you accused std of scumreading you because you smoked him too many times as scum

the subtext is that he's town.

I don't think math addressed this yet, I'd like if he would

I did? Or if I follow I don’t know what you’re asking so can’t address it?

I think it’s SOP for StD?

I think it's clearly not

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Hq is pretty town

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VOTE: mathblade

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i just feel like a giant pi symbol is painted on a cloud that is blocking out the sun and covering the land in darkness that is ravaging the land and bringing suffering to all but in the final hour of glory my bracelet turns into a shining sword a beacon of light and on magic wings i fly up to the cloud and pierce it in twain destroying the darkness

i like the hem wagon too, maybe i should be more patient.

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Save The Dragons - null scum. like hem, lots of posts, can not actually tell you what they think about anything

i mean i keep voting hem and mathblade that should give you a pretty clear idea

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Hq is pretty town

I liked their recent posting wrt HQ and dwlee

Ari no longer gives me heartburn

anyone else think roden should have done more by now? I think that's the main one i'd like to pursue

take your pick

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i like HQs posting

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I would say I am okay at reading you

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I would strongly disagree with your disagreeal

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that's one example

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i would argue that my confidence comes from pretty much getting you right in every other game we've played together

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and if i were pocketing you i'd definitely shut up and take it lol

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I'm wouldn't bet the farm on you being town yet I just kept seeing posting that made me think town so I kept saying it

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If you want I can clarify it with exact posts but I'm lazy

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Wallflower replaces Malakittens.

@math

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i literally voted yeet who i thought was town in the inspector rean game that's been mentioned and we (town) ended up winning the game

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i just don't buy the bravado mathblade embodied when he entered the thread

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that may be true but it feels forced like he's faking it

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I haven't read. Can someone 411

People being pissy I townread HEM

Then decide I am scum because I townread HEm

Then I dared people into voting HEM

And they won’t

Proving me right

who are you referring to

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i don't think so buster

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I don't think it applies to gamma or HQ either

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I truly have tried to get an understanding of the math scumread and it still seems to boil down to what I said here?

my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

HQ is there something I'm missing?

you didn't find my case appealing?

I'm getting so much red energy from mathblade

Imagine a tsunami of power emanating from the Greek symbol pi as a giant red wave and I'm holding up a trashcan lid trying to block it but the wave of scum energy is overpowering and I am swept away in its currents watching everyone go by nooooo help me

It's kinda like that

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

i just feel like a giant pi symbol is painted on a cloud that is blocking out the sun and covering the land in darkness that is ravaging the land and bringing suffering to all but in the final hour of glory my bracelet turns into a shining sword a beacon of light and on magic wings i fly up to the cloud and pierce it in twain destroying the darkness

god i'm so tunneled right now maybe i should reconsider

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If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

nah

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ok i'll bite

why do you think you're obvtown when there's like 5 people railing on you for being scummy

what am i personally missing here to read you "correctly"

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im not 99.999% confident like HQ is i do have doubts especially with how vibey my point of view is like i can't spit out a concrete case on math it's just how i felt when math entered really brought him down in my opinion and how math has played regarding the HEM wagon and other things

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i also feel like

ugh

i'm gonna say it again

but

like

ugh

HQ

is like

really town

i dun wanna get in another fight about it

but like

HQ

is

so

town

so calling HQ not town

is a little sus

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i also feel like

ugh

i'm gonna say it again

but

like

ugh

HQ

is like

really town

i dun wanna get in another fight about it

but like

HQ

is

so

town

so calling HQ not town

is a little sus

Your feelings are shit imho.

you crack me up

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math is trying to rile me up for some reason

all this riling

does not look good

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maybe everyone can take one step backwards

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i get that it's shitty for both of you

math is really respectful to alts and i don't think he's trying to hold that over your head, HQ

HQ feels strongly and i think she has a good MB case without this being a part of it

i dunno. i just don't want conflict

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i don't want it to be shitty conflict

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y'all can argue if you want i just was worried it was starting to get a little heated

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VOTE: MATHBLADE

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i am ready and itching for a mathblade wagon

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i said i was itching

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that was in response to you

you say it's hard

i say i'm ready and roaring to go

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there are very few people i want to lim today, looking over the playerlist

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is he

is he

or is he a walking gundam with a giant pi symbol on his forhead shooting laser beams from his robotic arm cannon?

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and he already claimed VT so it's kind of whatever -.-

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i can see a scum!mathblade coming into the thread blustering and trying to take control by derailing a hem wagon on his buddy then going onto hem when realizing it's not working

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mathblade in case i am horribly tunneled on you, who are the scum pushing you? titus?

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mathblade couldn't win thread control against me as a conftown I don't think he thinks he would be able to win thread control against me as mafia

so he doesn't try?

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and the way HEM turned towards voting mathblade was super unaligned imo

did hem do this

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if math is town there doesnt have to be any scum pushing him

math is suggesting that scum are pushing him tho?

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i think math is FEARLESS and would try

but maybe that's a wrong assessment

but that's what i think

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the point is that MATH thinks scum are pushing him

not who you think the scum are pushing him if any

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where's the evidence besides you saying it

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can you link

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i feel like i've barely expressed why i'm voting you, why do you feel like i'm not scum piling on you

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i dunno what that means

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i think that's a little uncharitable i can at least see where ari is coming from

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i mean i believe she believes mathblade wouldn't act like this as scum i think that's a reasonable opinion to have i just disagree with it

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from today:

I just can't see scum!mathblade walking into this game and deciding to defend scum!hem because he knows I almost never listen to him on anything esp when his logic is total nonsense.

mathblade couldn't win thread control against me as a conftown I don't think he thinks he would be able to win thread control against me as mafia

and the way HEM turned towards voting mathblade was super unaligned imo

from earlier:

harley

mathblade not making sense

is not scum indicative for him

i have argued for so literally days with town!mathblade.

i mean it's not like she's going "here's X game where mathblade did Y" but that wouldn't convince me personally anyway

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it's hard for me to really assess what's going on

i believe that maybe you did the thing in the past

it doesn't mean you'd act like that all the time

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i'm not asking ari for mathblade meta

i'm telling titus that it's not out of question that ari is defending you

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my hypo cop check is Bellaphant

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didn't i literally ask you about this an hour ago

i feel like i've barely expressed why i'm voting you, why do you feel like i'm not scum piling on you

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i don't care about meta and didn't really care, i just wanted to see that you actually had an example

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i'm not so sure you're scum i just think that my gut is telling me you are.

i don't think you enter the thread the way you did as town. maybe i'm wrong.

for example you said i would auto be hesitant of you because you smoked me so many times and proceeded to provide 1.5 games where you beat me as scum that took place a while ago

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i don't care about meta and didn't really care, i just wanted to see that you actually had an example

Okay then what did you learn from me having an example?

that you didn't just lie

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I'm a bailer

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I'm willing to bail on the mathblade wagon to bail on the implosion wagon

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just to throw a spanner in an already chaotic situation

i never crumbed my role

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yeah that was a fun story not a crumb

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it's starting to make sense why you unvoted me

you can put your vote back on me if it makes you feel better. i won't confirm or deny any role but i didn't leave a crumb behind

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what charade? i didn't know i was crumbing anything

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i didn't know i was crumbing anything

also happy b day Ausuka

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i guess it's possible scum got scared of enchant's possible copness and shot there

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ari being stubborn gives me town vibes

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ari being stubborn gives me town vibes

VOTE: Std

Reads informed Ari is town.

you realize she magoobered scum!HEM yesterday almost singlehandedly, right?

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voting me for that is so weird

why didn't you vote me for revealing i wasn't crumbing

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like ari truly believes this regardless of her alignment tbh

scum!ari could have given up and gone "oh you're right" or "i dun wanna argue anymore" but she's tripling down

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but how does that make ari scum

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It feels like she’s trying to eliminate Enchant by any means necessary vs. push out scum

is it working?

She also feels informed about doc/rb

let me look at this again

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It feels like she’s trying to eliminate Enchant by any means necessary vs. push out scum
She also feels informed about doc/rb

I think Ari is town.

I think your vibes are right but Ari is town.

this reads informed

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it was a joke

cuz you said it to me for some reason and then turn around and call ari town as well

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like what's the real reason you are voting for me

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i definitely did not fake N3 vig intentionally that's on you for reading into something

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so you just happen to pick up on something i said after i revealed the crumb wasn't a crumb as the reason? And nothing else?

why don't i just keep the charade going if i'm scum?

i still could be a N3 vig, i just didn't crumb it

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it just seems fishy that you're like "the first thing you said is bad" after discovering the crumb isn't a crumb

instead of like "well if it's not a crumb i guess i'll vote STD again"

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live look at mathblade's voting patterns:

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cuz it's fishy

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im okay with massclaim personally

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pew pew pew

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VT baby

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i didn't breadcrumb

sheeeeeeeeesh

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why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

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but then i could just claim N3 vig anyway? since no one else cares about me right now?

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why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

idk if it was the case when you clarified for math but he said his pick was vengeful and he didn't get it
that means it's known to be someone else if it's not you, so faking it would be foolish

i think math is saying I am the N3 vig and not claiming it for ??? reasons unless i'm mistaken

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i don't see the benefit of not claiming it if i have it

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did you want my pairing? i thought that was later but i can give it now

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i just don't know who "consensus" trs are in this game which i think is the problem.

so just letting people off the hook isn't a good idea because what if we're wrong? we're not really utilizing the power of massclaim if we let people off the hook

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there's a lot of outed roles, who does scum shoot? it's a buffet. shooting the doc is probably the case but the doc could be jked. shooting the jk could be fine but maybe the jk is doctored. shooting the cop might be okay but what if they're doctored?

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that assumes enchant is lying about bp

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like i see some merit to this because it pigeonholes scum into certain claims and prevents faking later on when more people are dead and are unable to give away information. we might even get a 1v1 if scum want to directly try and take out a role. i can understand reluctance but i see some benefits

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i meant

"if enchant is lying about bp, there might be a cop"

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uh

can you share reads anyway

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how does sharing your reads when asked make you look bad

i'm trying to guess what you are since i don't really know where your head is at. if you want to know my reads i'm happy to give them but i have been giving them (mostly yesterday)

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implosion

Harley Quinn
Gamma Emerald

Wallflower

Roden

Enchant

Dwlee99

Bellaphant

Ausuka

MathBlade

Aristeia

Titus

bigger size is how much i townread them

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are you

really scum reading me

for saying

'uh'

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too bad it's none of those things

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why are we assuming optimal plays

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What's up party people

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i went for 1 shot vigilante

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V/LA tonight to the 20th

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denial-
Math's not dead. nope. we didn't do that.

anger-
My read was so bad! Arg! Why did i not listen to people why did i trust my gut

bargaining-
Take wallflower or implosion instead

depression-
i gotta be more careful this kinda hurts to feel bad at the game

acceptance- <i am here
math has died it it's time to move on

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how does roden know enchant is bp?

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yes ma'am

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gamma stole me vig shot

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I like the plan of voting wallflower off the island

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Where is std?

On vacation as announced earlier

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Ready for day end on my end

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VOTE: wallflower

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I guess my implosion read is partially inspired by others and partially driven by not tring him

I feel the same about enchant

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I'm a hard read

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I was answering ausukas question, not trying to present a new read. On mobile so I didn't quote it

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happy with my vote

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Please do

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so

just

kill

enchant?

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...or it's just enchant here