Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

VOTE: enchant

Nah we don’t kill a BP claim now

Can be elimmed later if still around

um how does enchant flip again if we dont vote him out?

its not like mafia can nightkill him if hes town

[Aristeia]

Ari, if you're town, be rational about this.

Either a) Math was the nightkiller and/or b) Enchant was shot. To argue Math town while Enchant scum, it would have to be either 1) another pr has an explanation for a nightkill or b) Enchant's team deliberately no killed.

we could have doc saved correctly too or mafia nokill

[Aristeia]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: enchant

Nah we don’t kill a BP claim now

Can be elimmed later if still around

um how does enchant flip again if we dont vote him out?

its not like mafia can nightkill him if hes town

Exactly if Enchant is town scum can’t kill him

We sort enchant by what he does

what he does

is pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

which is basically a scum claim

i am not sure if town has ever done that before

[Aristeia]

because what else is enchant going to do?

claim an inno on math and save us a misfade?

[Aristeia]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

Maybe

But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too

If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town

by definition we have a doctor or roleblocker

no roleblocker has claimed

therefore we have a doctor

[Aristeia]

Like what I am thinking is scum failed to kill Enchant

Are informed JK didn’t exist

So Asuaka claims jailkept on me knowing I’d be likely VT

bella has already claimed that she picked jk/tracker and didnt get it

[Aristeia]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

Maybe

But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too

If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town

by definition we have a doctor or roleblocker

no roleblocker has claimed

therefore we have a doctor

It could be neither was picked.

very unlikely

[Aristeia]

there is literally no reason to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

it is so so so bad

can u find a single game where town picked bulletproof over ascetic cop come on

[Aristeia]

Like what I am thinking is scum failed to kill Enchant

Are informed JK didn’t exist

So Asuaka claims jailkept on me knowing I’d be likely VT

Plothole Bella claimed JK and didn't get it. Bella plus Asuka is the only way Ausuka lies about getting JK.

Fair and in that world Bella always goes first

Like I don’t get how Asuaka jails me at night though when her last read was a TR on me?

that was before hem flipped mafia

also highly doubt she claims jk as scum in that spot she basically put a timer on her own life when scum need to go deep to win.

[Aristeia]

there is literally no reason to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

it is so so so bad

can u find a single game where town picked bulletproof over ascetic cop come on

That’s the reason to pick it

???????

no

if enchant picked ascetic cop and got shot and flipped we would literally be in a better spot right now

picking bp over asc cop is just bad play period unless you happen to be some kind of polarized player who can easily make themselves obvtown AND a god of scumhunting

[Aristeia]

how does enchant put a timer on himself???


mafia cannnot shoot a bulletproof player

[Aristeia]

we dont need to mass claim
enchant alrdy scumclaimed

[Aristeia]

enchant would have been elimmed for surviving if he claimed cop

instead he decided to deny us info and claim bulletproof

there is literally no reason for town to pick bulletproof over cop

[Aristeia]

why does it matter if enchant picjed vengeful??
that still makes him mafia

[Aristeia]

we dont need to mass claim
enchant alrdy scumclaimed

Dude, Enchant townclaimed.

Second, if Enchant did scumclaim, knowing 100% Enchant is scum turns Ausuka into a cop.

no it diesnt

if we leave enchant alive

and aus blocks someone

and theres a nightkill

that doesnt make the blocked person clear cuz enchant can always be the nker

[Aristeia]

there is literally no reason to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

it is so so so bad

can u find a single game where town picked bulletproof over ascetic cop come on

Go back and reread your posts D1 then tell me picking BP in enchant’s position is nonsensical

its nonsensical because staying alive does literally nothing to solve his slot

[Aristeia]

id rather pick vanilla townie than bullet proof in slot 1 as town because you soak a nightkill and cop goes somewhere else

bulletproof is such a bad pick

[Aristeia]

like town is literally in a better position with enchant dead as a town ascetic cop than alive as town bulletproof because we r never getting to the point where we can trust enchant

[Aristeia]

you're just wrong about this :>

bulletproof has zero utility and its a scum claim

[Aristeia]

im like obviously town you dont even have to be scum to know

[Aristeia]

like town is literally in a better position with enchant dead as a town ascetic cop than alive as town bulletproof because we r never getting to the point where we can trust enchant

Flip another scum
JK enchant repeatedly at least until a scum kill happens
If we get down to about 6 players without any kills by scum that ENTIRE time, then we vote enchant out

Where’s the issue?

what if enchants partner is well positioned?

if enchant is scum we flip enchant and the jk becomes a cop

[Aristeia]

i really cant express how ridiculous it is for town in position 1 to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

like im not sure a town player has ever picked bulletproof its such a bad choice my god

[Aristeia]

mass claiming just outs the doc so they get shot

and if there isnt a doc we dont want scum to know they get a free shot at joat

[Aristeia]

actually scum probly know if there is a doc or not

[Aristeia]

there arent even relevant prs to out why would we mass claim

[Aristeia]

why would we out the doc to nail enchant

[Aristeia]

this is so dumb

[Aristeia]

why would we out the doc to nail enchant

Enchant to me isn’t likely scum even if a doc exists so *shrug*

so it doesnt even make sense to doc claim anyway

[Aristeia]

why would we out the doc to nail enchant

Because Asuka becomes a cop, scum can't fake a PR to suit the situation.

If Enchant is lying, he's likely vengeful. It won't exist in the slots above him.

if enchant is vengeful that means every town slot below him didnt pick cop...

[Aristeia]

thats soooo unlikely

[Aristeia]

outting doctor is a terrible idea with a claimed jker

[Aristeia]

another thing

if we lim enchant and he is scum ascetic cop then universal backup if it exists becomes ascetic cop and scum have no idea where ub is

[Aristeia]

or enchant is scum ascetic cop and if we lim enchant we r pretty much in auto win

[Aristeia]

town should never pick bp over ascetic cop

[Aristeia]

town should never pick bp over ascetic cop

What's the scum agenda though? I feel like Enchant can only be scum if scum with MathBlade.

because scum enchant doesnt want to report any investigations or have us wonder why he didnt get nightkilled

[Aristeia]

this is so ass backwards

[Aristeia]

eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless

create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup

and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win

[Aristeia]

I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech

[Aristeia]

That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

[Aristeia]

if you check Enchant and he's not ascetic that still doesn't mean he isn't scum bulletproof

[Aristeia]

I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech

He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.

There is no guarantee of that.

If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before

this is wrong

[Aristeia]

That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.

your mech is just wrong sorry

we assume a doctor exists period

[Aristeia]

eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless

create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup

and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win

How does enchant as ascetic cop mean that Math is not guilty? Doesn’t it just remove another possible explanation for the no-kill?

Because the JK guilty means nothing if Enchant is Scum Ascetic Cop

Ascetic always makes Nightkills if Scum has it

[Aristeia]

That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.

Nah, I don’t assume something exists without evidence.

You said scum always shoot Enchant here. Enchant BP is the simplest answer

your mech is just wrong sorry

we assume a doctor exists period

you're wrong sorry

[Aristeia]

bulletproof is literally useless

[Aristeia]

scum win at parity

enchant will

never

clear himself

[Aristeia]

if you lim him and he flips town bulletproof maybe we get a UB become bulletproof and soak up another nightkill

[Aristeia]

bulletproof is literally useless

scum win at parity

enchant will

never

clear himself

do you mean it's useless as in "if enchant is town, bp did nothing for us because of parity"? Because the setup starts in evens. Or do you mean it's useless at this point now that we're in odds?

Scum are never going to shoot Town Enchant who is bulletproof

so what is the utility of a Bulletproof Town EnchanT?

nothing

[Aristeia]

I mean, let’s say that Enchant /was/ shot last night? If Enchant was an ascetic cop then they’d be dead. Which is also useless

no because then the slot is

guranteed town

and no longer in POE

and the UB becomes an Ascetic Cop and scum don't know where the UB is

[Aristeia]

a town enchant that is Ascetic cop and gets shot on N1 clears a slot from our POE, makes UB ascetic cop and this is way way better than Bulletproof Enchant being a ???? and we have to use an elimination on him eventually.

[Aristeia]

yes gamma pls let everyone know you're not doctor by telling them you don't believe a doctor exists

this is great strategy

if we all say how we think a doctor doesnt exist then scum can by poe figure out who the doctor is

very good

[Aristeia]

if you let people get away with plays that favor scum

they will always do them when they are scum

forcing scum to play in a protown fashion is basic strategy

[Aristeia]

it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

[Aristeia]

no it means if someone does something obviously pro-scum

you

KILL THEM

like if someone quickhammers a town doctor on d1 without giving them a chance to claim

you

KILL THEM

you don't go "hey this person quickhammers all the time so let's just tolerate it"

[Aristeia]

it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblocked
there's scum utility in picking that as well

Pick #1 going for Bulletproof over Ascetic Cop is terrible town play and should be treated as a scum claim.

You are literally denying the town a cop for to soak maybe one nightkill if you can get townread[WHICH HE DIDNT EVEN TRY TO DO SO WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT]

he literally entered today trying to pretend he was an ascetic cop and softing an inno on MB and then changed his mind when MB was a viable elimination.

How much more blatant of a mafia-play do you need here??

[Aristeia]

no it means if someone does something obviously pro-scum

you

KILL THEM

like if someone quickhammers a town doctor on d1 without giving them a chance to claim

you

KILL THEM

you don't go "hey this person quickhammers all the time so let's just tolerate it"

VOTE: Ari

Okay my vote is you kill you tomorrow if Enchant is conf town tonight

And flip me today to prove Enchant conf

Since you’re being pro scum we kill you

can u stop defending scum from me dude

[Aristeia]

I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

[Aristeia]

So you're advocating for a form of policy limming? Not trying to use the phrase as a criticism but it sounds like a kind of policy.

this isn't even policy limming

this is limming someone who is playing blatantly anti-town

[Aristeia]

Doc on Roden means we lose the JK

[Aristeia]

I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

[Aristeia]

I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

It does because of the missing kill

not true there is probably a doctor

[Aristeia]

Doc on Roden means we lose the JK

Then we do.

But in the process we gain a scum or town conf.

no because if roden confirms enchant is bulletproof he can still be scum bulletproof

[Aristeia]

bulletproof if conf town is an assured town slot in any endgame scenario
so yeah, Ari arguing to vote out Enchant now, before he's had a chance to get confirmed, is really fucking sus.

there is literally no way to confirm enchant what r u talking about

[Aristeia]

I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

It does because of the missing kill

not true there is probably a doctor

Then said doc would be on Roden if it exists. If doc goes rogue then another no kill happens possibly

But if Roden dies I am going to think doc doesn’t exist

so we lim you - you flip vanilla town

so doc protects roden

roden checks enchant finds he is not ascetic so possibly scum bulletproof

ausuka dies at night

ok what now

[Aristeia]

not true there is probably a doctor

unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?

oh you mean i can't have picked doctor/roleblocker and not gotten it?

[Aristeia]

how about this

i'm doctor

i protected HQ

so now instead of being able to hide and keep ausuka alive indefinitely i have to get shot at night

[Aristeia]

then why the fuck are you arguing so hard for math!town?

wtf does me being a doctor have to do with math being town

[Aristeia]

i probly stopped a kill on HQ because she's obv town and pick #3

[Aristeia]

yea im sure math who's fucking trying to kill himself to

prove

Enchant is conftown bulletproof is scum

[Aristeia]

they are joking

[Aristeia]

yes i bussed hem on d1 so i could claim doctor on d2 and never endgame

genius

[Aristeia]

p wild stuff

[Aristeia]

yes i bussed hem on d1 so i could claim doctor on d2 and never endgame

genius

You expected Enchant to die

When he didn’t youre fucked.

You know this is the right play and everyone you TR is telling you do

Gamma you TR and me you TR and Titus you TR

So you can either listen tonight tomorrow or end up policy if you’re not dead.

[Aristeia]

I will be dead so it doesn’t matter but quite frankly you read like pissed scum that Enchant should be dead.

So fucking elim me already.

i am trying to eliminate scum

pls stop defending scum from me

[Aristeia]

I will be dead so it doesn’t matter but quite frankly you read like pissed scum that Enchant should be dead.

So fucking elim me already.

i am trying to eliminate scum

pls stop defending scum from me

My elim outs scum.

If I have to I will fake claim scum to get elimmed as that is pro win con

Talk all you want but I will be elimmed

Roden will be able to check Enchant to see if Ascetic and if he is we policy in A or Enchant or Roden

And if Roden gets not Ascetic then scum shot Enchant or HQ

Then if you want to argue scum shot HQ over enchant you have to argue against the very policies you said scum would do.

This is the best plan for town and it has been crystal damn clear

If roden checks enchant and it turns out enchant is not ascetic that still doesn't make him conftown

[Aristeia]

yes i bussed hem on d1 so i could claim doctor on d2 and never endgame

genius

You expected Enchant to die

When he didn’t youre fucked.

You know this is the right play and everyone you TR is telling you do

Gamma you TR and me you TR and Titus you TR

So you can either listen tonight tomorrow or end up policy if you’re not dead.

what was the point of this?

bad phone quote

[Aristeia]

also like if Enchant is Ascetic Scum Cop

it's better for us to elim him now than elim you and then elim him

[Aristeia]

VOTE: MathBlade

Although in spirit I am on Ari

Let’s go fucking flip me already

I think you're angry at me because you want to be right and you think I'm not listening to you.

I am listening to you, you just happen to be wrong about how mechs work in this game.

[Aristeia]

It means scum shot Enchant or scum shot HQ

99x -100 they’re shooting the cop there

Your own arguments say so

Now fucking flip me

I am a useless VT that no one should give two shits about.

well you're spewed town so you're basically an IC at this point

[Aristeia]

also like if Enchant is Ascetic Scum Cop

it's better for us to elim him now than elim you and then elim him

If Enchant is scum ascetic cop Roden outs them with his check

Try again

Fucking flip me

so why wouldn't we flip the ascetic scum cop today ?

[Aristeia]

like I'm just trying to kill bad guys here

that's how we win the game

kill the mafia

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

math is literally screaming into this thread wanting to flip himself because he wants to be listened to

there is almost 0% chance he is mafia here

[Aristeia]

like if you actually calmed down and think about what's gone on in this game

you would realize I am always town here.

You're just mad at me right now because I am blocking your plan.

I am not blocking your plan because I don't respect you as a person or a player

I am blocking your plan because I want to kill Enchant and I think he's mafia.

I reallly really really doubt that YOU are mafia.

I don't want to kill townspeople

I want to kill Mafia.

[Aristeia]

You’re in a fucking double claim with Dwlee and don’t vote them.

dwlee is obviously joking

you should look up sparticus

it's a funny movie

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

Oh no my vote is on her in spirit

It literally doesn’t matter what you think my alignment is I am going to fucking die

We are fucking flipping me then when I flip you know I am spitting fire

just because you are town doesn't mean you are right

for example like all of yesterday when you were screaming at me that HEM was town because there's no way HEM!scum gets wagoned

[Aristeia]

And I want to kill mafia as well

well you shouldn't vote for yourself if you want to kill mafia

you should know that you are not mafia

[Aristeia]

Gamma Titus and I are all wrong and you’re the Queen /s

Ffs you’re just wrong

Elim me already

I will always argue for what I think is best.

If people don't listen to me

it is what it is.

[Aristeia]

I don't think I've ever claimed to be "the Queen"

I think you're just upset at me because my plan is different from yours and I adamantly believe it is better.

[Aristeia]

And I want to kill mafia as well

well you shouldn't vote for yourself if you want to kill mafia

you should know that you are not mafia

Correct

But not voting myself is shortsighted

Everyone knowing I am town helps more than me living

I think you should unvote and take a breather.

Things are too heated right now and we have plenty of time.

You can hate me as much as you want but I will always be good to you <3

[Aristeia]

I don't think I've ever claimed to be "the Queen"

I think you're just upset at me because my plan is different from yours and I adamantly believe it is better.

Is this what I sound like because goddamn everyone told you you’re wrong except your pet scumread enchant

Either your wrong or your reads are and the answer to both is elim me

I'm townreading you

Why would I eliminate you?

How does eliminating you prove anything about my reads?

[Aristeia]

like unless you're flipping mafia it literally doesn't disprove my reads?

[Aristeia]

I don’t hate you but quite frankly keeping me around as a miselim for later is just asking for trouble

We elim me today

i prefer to eliminate mafia

[Aristeia]

so why the fuck would I want to die at night instead of hunting down baddies

[Aristeia]

i really dont understand what your goal is

[Aristeia]

like it feels like you just want me to get shot so you can do "your plan"

[Aristeia]

I am not actually CC'd

Dwlee is joking

you're so mad at me you can't even understand a simple joke

[Aristeia]

Like let's map out what happens if we go with your plan.


(1) we lim you , you flip vanilla town
(2) mafia shoot me
(3) I protect Roden
(4) Roden confirms Enchant is not Ascetic.

Tomm:

Math flipped VT
I flipped Doctor

Enchant is some kind of bulletproof, maybe town, maybe scum.

Um how are we better off?

[Aristeia]

versus my plan

(1) We flip Enchant, He Flips Scum Bulletproof
(2) Ausuka jailkeeps someone, I protect Ausuka
(3) we wake up tomm with a Ausuka inno and me dead.

[Aristeia]

I have never called you an idiot and I am sorry if I've given you that impression MB.

[Aristeia]

versus my plan

(1) We flip Enchant, He Flips Scum Bulletproof
(2) Ausuka jailkeeps someone, I protect Ausuka
(3) we wake up tomm with a Ausuka inno and me dead.

Your plan sucks

We elim unkillable town.

Pedit: don’t worry I am calling me the idiot

ok explain to me why Enchant has to be town

[Aristeia]

like why can't scum enchant have tried to kill HQ last night?

[Aristeia]

pls fucking unvote yourself mathblade

[Aristeia]

you are one fucking enchant vote away from being hammered just pls unvote

[Aristeia]

maybe you are right mathblade

but lets just not rush the day

let everyone else talk

[Aristeia]

pls just unvote pls pls pls

[Aristeia]

gamma if ur town u should unvote

[Aristeia]

like it literally makes no sense to rush the day

do you know how mad harley will be at you for rushing the day

[Aristeia]

I hope we don’t rush the day again and there’s still pages I need to catch up on but it was mostly Titus and Math arguing with each other so I zoned out.

Ari’s take on Enchant claiming bp is just wrong. Picking bp is in no way a scumclaim. Not everyone sees the game the way she does.

Enchant claiming bp would definitely explain the nk, so unless Ari is claiming Enchant and Math are buddies, this take really makes no sense. Ari’s still town because like Dwlee, ain’t no way that was scum theatre.

[Aristeia]

pls just unvote

dont rush the day

let everyone at least talk about the doc claim at least

[Aristeia]

that sentence doesn't even make sense

if i'm scum why am i trying to save mathblade from dying

[Aristeia]

you literally dont have to die

[Aristeia]

probably because you believe you can control him

um

do i look like i'm in control?

[Aristeia]

like do i actually look like someone who is controlling mathblade

like r u serious

what a take

[Aristeia]

my god

[Aristeia]

mathblade you do know everyone else also deserves a chance to play the game right?

can you just let people talk for a bit?

[Aristeia]

pretty sure you said before you managed to talk him out of scumreading you as scum before
why wouldn't you hope to replicate that?

it's really hard to convince mathblade to do something.

it took literally days of arguing with him to get him to do it.

it is much easier for me to pocket literally anyone else in this game.

[Aristeia]

ok let's talk out your plan.


(1) We flip Mathblade, Mathblade flips VT
(2) Mafia shoot me, I flip Doctor
(3) Roden checks Enchant, Enchant is not Ascetic.

tommorrow we wake up

we know enchant is some kind of bulletproof, either scum or town.

we have dead doctor and dead VT.

How are we better off? We still don't know Enchant's alignment. We lose our Doc, now what?


Let's look at what happens if we follow my plan and Enchant is scum:

(1) We elim enchant, we are down to 1 scum
(2) I protect Ausuka, Ausuka JKs someone
(3) I get shot

tomm we wake up, I'm dead town doctor, Ausuka has an inno, HQ is inno from being protected on n1, mathblade is probly inno cuz he wants to murder himself

Ausuka can claim who she is targetting the next night, if she dies that person is inno too.



So explain to me why your plan is better than my plan.

[Aristeia]

A) my plan proves enchant town as they almost always get shot over HQ every time

if enchant is mafia why do they get shot over HQ?

[Aristeia]

enchant is literally not a TPR because bulletproof doesn't do anything and we don't know what Enchant's alignment is


Mathblade is like nearly an IC because I've never seen anyone want to kill himself this much just to "prove" he's right or whatever the hell he's doing

[Aristeia]

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

because it's literally anti-town to tell scum where the doctor is

[Aristeia]

sure i guess we can just massclaim

[Aristeia]

i guess one reason not to mass claim

is if scum don't know if there's a universal backup in the game

like if we lim mathblade

and they shoot me at night

then UB becomes doctor

and UB can keep JK alive

so if we out that there's no UB

then mafia knows they can shoot Ausuka at night after they shoot me

thats about it

i'm not sure what we gain from mass claim

[Aristeia]

or like if there is a UB, then we r basically picking the next 2 nightkills for the mafia and they shoot our doctor twice.

and um

if there is a UB and Enchant is scum Ascetic Cop, our UB becomes Ascetic cop and gets shot before they get an investigation off

i dunno there might be other scenarios that are bad

i honestly not sure what the point of mass claim is because scum can just true claim whatever their role is so how do we even catch them?

[Aristeia]

That keeps the rest of the PRs hidden for D3 right?

the PRs are revealed in the mass claim

[Aristeia]

Ari, why does scum!Enchant try to save town!Math here from being run up after Ausuka’s claim? Where’s the scum motivation ih that? Why doesn’t he just let Math get run up?

i dont think he tried very hard to defend mathblade and people are susp of enchant anyway and unlikely to listen to him

[Aristeia]

if you haven't solved enchant's alignment right now you have no business trying to hard shield him by killing yourself

[Aristeia]

why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game

[Aristeia]

like if enchant is town and town doesn't vote enchant out, there's no gurantee he gets to elo because we can always kill two mafia.

the only way enchant is guranteed to go to elo if town doesn't vote out enchant is if he's mafia.

[Aristeia]

why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game

I am trying to win the game by proving Enchant town

so explain to me how you are proving enchant is town

[Aristeia]

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

No, he claimed because he was forced to

He called Math town before he claimed anything. Where’s the scum motivation in that?

scum have to fake reads to get townread

mathblade being town is like the only read enchant has made all game other than ari is the devil lol

[Aristeia]

Odds are scum shot Enchant by your own theories.

if enchant is mafia he did not shoot himself

[Aristeia]

I want to see mathblade prove to me enchant is town

go ahead and do it

[Aristeia]

why chicken out of fake cop claim if so? At the first sign of people thinking that was the case he declined it

becuz I said I'd policy him if he claimed cop just to see if Mathblade was an inno

[Aristeia]

i am so glad i am probly getting shot tonight this game is painful

[Aristeia]

if enchant claims ascetic cop

it looks very shady if he lives to d3/4 because why is scum letting him live

and also he has to keep giving us inno results

if enchant claims bulletproof

its not surprising at all when he lives during the night

and he doesnt have to give us shit

[Aristeia]

like this is just basic mech

[Aristeia]

Okay but none of that makes him scum.

There’s a really easy way to test this Roden voyeurs him. (Yes, I know Roden already volunteered to do this.) If either Roden doesn’t get results or dies, we know Enchant’s scum right?

if Enchant is bulletproof

he can still be scum bulletproof

it literally proves NOTHING

[Aristeia]

You’re pushing this way too hard to be town

You’re contradicting yourself earlier

The loss is too damn big for town enchant

I will do anything and everything to stop you

If you want enchant you vote me

you didn't even understand my argument earlier

I was arguing on d1 to

not

eliminate enchant

because if he survives nights, then he will become obvscum for surviving because an ascetic cop shouldn't survive

so the longer he survives - the more obvious scum he gets

AND

he has to give us inno results

see for example this game: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=87460

Bee was pick #1

Bee was scum

Bee picked Ascetic Cop

Eventually at the end, Bee got eliminated for surviving a long time and got POE'd out by providing too many innocents.

[Aristeia]

I was literally responding to people suggesting to wagon Enchant because they thought he was scummy for not playing

I said no let's eliminate HEM then if Enchant survives the night he becomes Obvscum and we can kill Enchant. If Enchant is town Ascetic cop, instead we get some innos out of eliminating enchant.

[Aristeia]

if enchant claims ascetic cop

it looks very shady if he lives to d3/4 because why is scum letting him live

and also he has to keep giving us inno results

if enchant claims bulletproof

its not surprising at all when he lives during the night

and he doesnt have to give us shit

If he claimed aesetic cop, Math would probably have been miselimmed already.

If enchant!scum claims ascetic cop, he has to give us an innocent result

he will eventually be POE'd out by his own innocent results

[Aristeia]

Why is that too much risk?

And also enchant can be scum bulletproof so it's not even possible to confirm him town

Unkillable town vs VT

Kill the VT everytime

I know I didn’t do the kill

Therefore scum shot Enchant (I don’t buy they shot HQ)

So then hooray unkillable town

I will go to the ends of the earth to defend him

so prove to me scum shot enchant

how do you know this?

[Aristeia]

Because you said they’d have to

I said scum would have to shoot enchant if enchant is TOWN

SCUM DO NOT HAVE TO SHOOT ENCHANT IF ENCHANT IS MAFIA

[Aristeia]

what i said was

Enchant should've picked Ascetic Cop.

So if Enchant is town, scum will shoot him and he will be dead so we can use the scum nightkill to sort him.

If Enchant is scum, then scum don't shoot him and he will be alive and we will know he's scum because scum didn't shoot him. We can let him get some inno results and then lim him, either we kill scum!enchant or we kill town!enchant and get some inno results.

NONE OF THIS APPLIES IF ENCHANT IS CLAIMING BULLETPROOF

[Aristeia]

HEM barely tried to kill enchant

[Aristeia]

it read like shitty half assed distancing

[Aristeia]

i've literally never threatened to elim you

[Aristeia]

you guys should sheep me on enchant because it would be hilarious for mathblade to hard-defend two mafia players d1/d2

[Aristeia]

and honestly enchant is not very useful even if he is town

[Aristeia]

i also highly doubt town ever picks bulletproof over ascetic cop because ascetic cop is like 500 times better than bulletproof

[Aristeia]

you guys should sheep me on enchant because it would be hilarious for mathblade to hard-defend two mafia players d1/d2

It would be. I just want to actually fucking play the game. So if you could help me get there by assisting me to scumhunt in my own way, that would be great.

ok ill do anything you want for elimming enchant today <3

[Aristeia]

let's say a one shot vig misfires on a town tracker tonight, that's information that's completely lost if not claimed
that's a bit of a stretch but still, there's benefit to claiming now rather than later

one shot vig probly shot mathblade or doesnt exist

[Aristeia]

mathblade would you admit you are wrong if enchant flips mafia here?

[Aristeia]

Then help me prove he's scum. If he's scum, I don't think he took bp at all. I'm a VT and my role is still open above me. I don't think anyone town above me takes it.

I think enchant either took ascetic cop or he took BP or he knows it doesn't exist in this game

[Aristeia]

Since I can’t explain why HEM is town I will use scum’s selfish desires in order to prove it.

remember this?

[Aristeia]

remember how you were 100% convinced HEM had to be town?

why can't you just be wrong again?

[Aristeia]

Since I can’t explain why HEM is town I will use scum’s selfish desires in order to prove it.

remember this?

Yes I believed HeM town then came around

Here I have mech info that Enchsnt was shot because I was jailkept assuming A is town

So here I have mod confirmed info

I always flip A before Enchant

so how do you know scum didn't shoot HQ

or scum didn't no kill

[Aristeia]

Because you said scum would shoot Enchant

I said scum would shoot Enchant if he is town. So if he survives the night he is probably scum.

Scum do

not

shoot enchant if enchant is mafia.

[Aristeia]

Math, can you please shut up? I'm trying to talk with Ari to get through to her on why massclaim satisifies you both.

I'm fine with mass claim

i already claimed

[Aristeia]

VOTE: MathBlade

Although in spirit I am on Ari

Let’s go fucking flip me already

I think you're angry at me because you want to be right and you think I'm not listening to you.

I am listening to you, you just happen to be wrong about how mechs work in this game.

Sure Gamma Titus and I are all wrong /sarcasm

Then flip me so you only have to deal with Titus and Gamma tomorrow

Bulletproof IC > IC

You’re in a fucking double claim with Dwlee and don’t vote them.

C’mon Ari you’re scum or just so completely tilted it’s ridiculous

Flip me

Can either of Gamma or Titus explain Mathblade's mech to me

I really don't understand it

[Aristeia]

Like how is Enchant an IC?

[Aristeia]

ok can you link the post?

[Aristeia]

ok how do we do "flip another scum"

[Aristeia]

like doesn't this plan depend on flipping a scum and then jailkeeping enchant and if a nightkill happens then enchant is conftown?

[Aristeia]

how does mass claim guarantee us a scum elimination?

[Aristeia]

i mean I guess i'll see how mass claim works out then and if we get our guranteed scum elim sure whatever

[Aristeia]

ok and if someone claims N3 Vig how does that help us find scum?

[Aristeia]

like I really don't get how mass claim gets us a scum but I'm willing to do it just to see her process and if it makes sense I'll vote for it sure

[Aristeia]

ok I guess that makes sense but if a scum took vengeful dont they just claim VT how do you even find them

[Aristeia]

i guess i will shut up and let you do your magic :>

[Aristeia]

But that has to be who scum shoot since Ari said scum would shoot there.

I said scum would shooot enchant

if enchant was not scum

So if Enchant dies, we know he's town

if Enchant lives, then we know he's scum.

I was assuming Enchant would've picked Ascetic Cop because that's the protown thing to do. picking bulletproof is literally making sure the town does not have a cop.

[Aristeia]

because she's saying someone above her is scum and picked n3 vig or vengeful so there can only be 1 scum below her if any exist

[Aristeia]

well no it could be 2 scum above her in pick order

max 1 doesn't mean there has to be one.

[Aristeia]

I think if Implo is town and HQ didn't pick venge then Enchant/Gamma contains the N3 Vig/Venge

Ausuka/HQ/Bella feel really town to me

if we flip enchant and he's scum BP or asc cop then gamma is last scum

[Aristeia]

Gamma trying to kill Mathblade was super weird to me like Mathblade was literally trying to murder himself to win an argument with me so I have no idea why Gamma thought it was a good idea to vote him out and end day early

[Aristeia]

I think if Implo is town and HQ didn't pick venge then Enchant/Gamma contains the N3 Vig/Venge

Ausuka/HQ/Bella feel really town to me

if we flip enchant and he's scum BP or asc cop then gamma is last scum

nvm I forgot wallflower is also above titus >.>

[Aristeia]

I doctored Ausuka

I don't really care about Voyeurs sorry

[Aristeia]

MathBlade has been yeeted day 2. he was a

vanilla townie

.

the sun sets, it is now night 2. sunrise in (expired on 2022-06-17 12:15:00).

Why did you guys rush the day again. I told you all he was locktown.

Nothing against Math here, he's a great player, but he was drowning everyone in posts and making it difficult for lower post players to maintain a presence. I don't think Gamma meant to hammer him though.

i kind of disagree with gamma didnt mean to hammer him

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

here gamma is asking how many votes math is at - shows he is thinking about the vote number

VOTE: mathblade
thinking this is radio buzz v2 (2 scum wagoned D1, weird shit with a doctor CC where presumably both slots involved are town)

here he hammers math around 20 minutes later.


I have a hard time thinking town!gamma cares about how many votes math is at and then just oops hammers him when he knows math was p close by last VC

[Aristeia]

titus what else do we need from mass claim?

[Aristeia]

We haven’t finished the mass claim, let me know when you want my category. Will you please listen to me? I was right about Math, wasn’t I and he died to save Enchant.

I mean just because Mathblade died to save Enchant doesn't make Enchant town

just means Mathblade thought Enchant was town.

[Aristeia]

What do you intend to get out of shading me btw Ari

I am planning to flip you if I decide you are mafia

[Aristeia]

is that who you think the mafia are?

[Aristeia]

I don't see why scum would kill me here since it would only make sense for the doc to protect the jk

Probably want wallflower or enchant today I guess

I mean people were screaming at me to protect Roden for their "plan" i dunno if scum thought I'd actually listen to Mathblade and protect Roden but I don't actually care if a Voyeur gets shot and like Roden's results don't change how I feel about Enchant either way.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Aristeia]

Math picked N3 vig

HEM didn't claim anything

[Aristeia]

I would highly prefer if we don't speed lim again and actually talk today out now that things have finally calmed down

[Aristeia]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

[Aristeia]

also im quite annoyed that enchant decided to pick a useless role can you tell

[Aristeia]

waiting to see what Titus is going to do with the mass claim info

[Aristeia]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

Also this feels incredibly spineless given everything you posted D1+2

I didn't know Wallflower was JK'd on Night 2 on D1/D2

I adapt based on things that happen.

[Aristeia]

waiting to see what Titus is going to do with the mass claim info

Already did. It confirmed fake claims above me. The vig leash and whatever HQ is are the last steps.

HQ already claimed N3 Vig/Venge

[Aristeia]

it doesn't matter if Implosion is a UB or not.

if scum shoot me, I flip doctor, they can't shoot ausuka the following night if they dont know what implosion is between the 2 categories so they have to spend a shot on Implosion to make sure there's no doc on Ausuka.

[Aristeia]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

Also this feels incredibly spineless given everything you posted D1+2

I didn't know Wallflower was JK'd on Night 2 on D1/D2

I adapt based on things that happen.

Why wouldn’t scum!enchant have shot Ausuka?

I expect scum to shoot the claimed doctor who is protecting the JK rather than the JK.

[Aristeia]

Ari was raising holy hell about Enchant being scum especially D2 but now she thinks Enchant can be town? It’s weak conviction!

well I preferred to elim Enchant over Mathblade because I was 100% sure mathblade was town.

When the comparison is between Enchant and Wallflower who isn't very townie and also happens to have gotten JK'd at night, that's a different comparison.

[Aristeia]

I don't know if Enchant is town or not.

I do know the downside from limming a town bulletproof is that our UB becomes bulletproof which is useless

but if we eliminate a vanilla townie, then the UB doesn't activate and can become Doctor or JKer depending on who the scum shoot.

I was not aware we had a UB category for sure yesterday.

New information changes how I think about the game state.

[Aristeia]

like yesterday I really wanted Enchant cuz if he was lying about being Bulletproof and was actually Asc cop, then our reward is much higher for yeeting him and potentially having UB become Asc cop

Now that I know he's for sure a BP it makes much less sense to me.

[Aristeia]

because Ausuka should put some percentage weight into protecting me from the scum nightkill

and if Ausuka protects me, then I'm roleblocked from protecting her.

[Aristeia]

Aristeia, serious question: who do you think the scum team is atp?

I'm not sure

I am waiting for Titus to finish her mass claim thing and then I'll work on a POE order that maximizes our win chance based on the mech claims

[Aristeia]

i doctored ausuka last night

i think ausuka should always have some probability to jk me so scum never have a clean shot there