Open 860 | Elected Decisions | Postgame

[Bellaphant]

Divulge first. Or we lol hammer enchant. Don't really mind which

[Bellaphant]

Can I has pr?

[Bellaphant]

I'm just tending to agree with enchant.

[Bellaphant]

Not loving frogster or galron

[Bellaphant]

You can be town Taly

[Bellaphant]

@ galron, you might just be a tone thing, I tend to scum read aggression/snippy

[Bellaphant]

I'm catching up, just wanted to address you

[Bellaphant]

@ galron, do you mean 95?

Why rad what?

[Bellaphant]

95 is pretty gross.

I expect frog to be a bit more laid back as town, it's a shit meta read but it's day one.

[Bellaphant]

95 is pretty gross.

I expect frog to be a bit more laid back as town, it's a shit meta read but it's day one.

At least I'm townreading you now for making the shit meta read because it sounds to me like Townie Paranoia.

Weird reaction. Bella's read on you comes off more as ambivalent than paranoid. I feel like you're trying to appease Bella just so they'll back off.

Shade. Hey Roden are you tone deaf or do you have an overactive imagination? Because 199 looks like you're going for both so you can set up a suspicious tunnel on my slot, and I'm not buying your persona.

Um yeah, this isn't happening
I am going to be useless today because I am really bad at mech stuff.

Enchant is probably town.

[Bellaphant]

I only townread Bella and greeting. I’d probably give it to Bella.

Did you explain this?

[Bellaphant]

Not frog or penguin for me. I am happy to divulge

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, agree with galrons last two posts..

[Bellaphant]

Happy to vote divulge now?

[Bellaphant]

From a 'would help me clarify the game' rather than necessarily 'is scum' ,I would want to vote in galron/fun times/Roden/frogs

[Bellaphant]

It's really rare in games that you get a sense check. I feel like these would be great sense checks.

[Bellaphant]

I strong think galron is town and they contributes to my scum read on you. Although I do seem to be only scum reading one head of you, so that's fun. I tend to play finding town, so some confirmed town would be great for me, especially among people I can communicate with.

Frogs and you are more scumread, Roden is one of those slots that I think could be a miselim bit also scum.

Am I making sense?

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, by me. Although I like what you are saying to me and your last paragraph makes a lot of sense and is similar to my thoughta, so I can see why you'd expect that reasponse.

Basically if I had to chose I'd chose Roden.

[Bellaphant]

Pp at a stretch.

[Bellaphant]

I guess I've just binned galron as snippy and a bit...erratic, but I have no knowledge of them.

[Bellaphant]

I re read Roden Ans galron and now thing it's t v t. In struggling for scum reads a bit.

[Bellaphant]

No, I did scum read them, but then spoke to them and re-evaluated: I was scum reading them for tone, which isn't actually scummy. After we spoke I felt they were more town.
I was saying my initial read was for bad reasons.

And yes, I meant frog and Roden. Although I had somehow read frog as galron in the post Roden was talking about as he quoted them both and I switched the names. Sorry, I'm really sick and my brain has been replaced with snot.

[Bellaphant]

@ galron, you might just be a tone thing, I tend to scum read aggression/snippy

I'm catching up, just wanted to address you

@ galron, do you mean 95?

Why rad what?

95 is pretty gross.

I expect frog to be a bit more laid back as town, it's a shit meta read but it's day one.

I really liked that I said to galron 'i scum read you because of this fairly week reason' and they said 'go and look at this post and see if it impacts your read' and I did and I could see a bit where galrons tone was coming from. I find it much easier to talk to your partner than you, your aggression would make me snippy and aggressive if I had the energy. Instead it's just a bit shit.

Like I said, I could well be wrong on them, I don't have the experience other people do, but I felt their approach to me was in good faith, and then they've said a few things later that I agree on.

[Bellaphant]

I do think Roden is town for their posting on this page .

[Bellaphant]

Maybe it's because I feel like you are asking me to prove a negative. What galron didn't do was important - push me for having a shit read, accuse me of being scum with someone else who scum read him, etx..What they did was accept that and referred me back to 95, which I interpreted as him showong me a) another fairly aggressive post by someone (you,) and b,) I assumed he was saying that 95 was the post that got him 'on tilt'. I went back to read and decided that as a reaction to 95, his attitude was understandable. It felt like.ot was focused on progress rather than conflict which I read as towny.

I don't mind answering questions or being scum read. I don't think aggression is a massively necessary thing in a mafia game

[Bellaphant]

Andante is pissing me off. I can't tell if she's maf or jut conf biasing. I don't have a read on Nancy. Hence I'm stuck.

See, this vibes with how I feel! Also this feels like a lot of busy work for 'bella had a shit read and then knew and said it was shit and changed it'

[Bellaphant]

That is my reason - they talked to me instead of jumping on something. I can't explain this any other way. You may think it's not enough, so it must be fake, but it's true. I don't understand why you are getting so het up about this, or deciding I'm going to ignore you...I've answered the same question five different ways now, I'm clearly trying to engage with you.

[Bellaphant]

Like, galron isn't 'trying to distract' and I'm blatantly not ignoring? It is annoying though because I can't give andante the answer they seem to want. It doesn't change what my answer is.

[Bellaphant]

Like enchant literally just said they hate choices and want to sheep, but got asked a reasonable question. My reads are a bit shit and sheepy and andante has given me the third degree over it. Is it a surprise that I'm getting a bit pissy?

[Bellaphant]

Also, scum!Bella definitely points out here that andante is fixating on busy work, then points out the fake narrative, and then points out the ate and stops engaging and just votes. I'm trying really hard and I don't feel like I'm getting the same back.

[Bellaphant]

I've never said that scum reading me is an issue. I'm not playing well this game, I haven't argued that. I'm getting annoyed that andante is acting like I'm not engaging when I clearly am - I don't think that's unfair?

[Bellaphant]

(telling galron they are trying to distract and accusing me of ignoring them when the opposite is happening does feel like a narrative, btw. However I'm starting to think andandte does actually believe that's happening, which is....wild)

[Bellaphant]

I have. My initial read was based on tone, I spoke to them, found them reasonable, found context for their tone as well (post 95) and ditched the read because tone isn't ia and it's my weakness in mafia to read it as if it was. I've also said quite clearly I'm not married to a tr as other people are saying they know better from meta. It's not that I town and scum read them for the same thing, it's that I realised scum reading them for It wasn't valid, especially if it's just them - I find andanye similar and I'm trying to do the same thing with them. Later someone called them erratic, and I agreed - I still think they are an emotional player. I just don't happen to think they've been massively scummy and 'town enough for day one' was fine.

I can't make up something that isn't there - that's all it is. I'm sorry if that doesn't answer your question but I really don't know how else I can say it.

[Bellaphant]

It feels like busy work because in my head it's genuinely 'bella had a shit read and said it was shit'. I don't know what I'm not explaining that's making it feel this important.

[Bellaphant]

I feel like that's what I've been saying throughout. Maybe also busywork bus the wrong word - to me it looks like a lot of noise over a minor thingn - can you see that from my point of view?

[Bellaphant]

I find it weird that you can't see what I'm saying, because I don't feel like ym answer changed massively from my first to last answer, so can you see why I feel the noise to output feels off?

It's probably irrelevant - I don't think scum you tries this hard about a sort of moot point and I think scum!Bella has a better answer for you X

[Bellaphant]

I waa going to draw a flow chart at one point and decided that felt a bit passive aggressive but now wish I had

[Bellaphant]

And Bella you still haven't explained anything.

[Bellaphant]

I was fairly null on then but they made a post recently that I didn't like much, iirc.

Also, that quote to galron wasn't meant to be there, I look like such a bitch now!

I feel very little about kitty, too.

[Bellaphant]

Heal RR and divulge greeting seems fine.

[Bellaphant]

Controversial but fun times could have a pr too.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: greeting

[Bellaphant]

Can I hammer?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: kitty just in case

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, didn't get a day start pm! Reading now

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: greeting

Agree with not giving pr to the best town player, honestly.

Liking Roden, galron is still probably town, feel better about frog.

I'll be back from my break tonight so better look tomorrow .

[Bellaphant]

No one's at E-1.

What's the case on Galron?

I don't think there is one? People seem to be responding to tone rather than anything scumny.

[Bellaphant]

I would be more than happy to lim vivax

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: Depart
VOTE: Greeting

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: depart
VOTE: greeting

[Bellaphant]

It's occured to me with this many votes that vca could be interesting

[Bellaphant]

I'm tired today. There's also a few reads lists posts I want to go back to. It's more of a mental note.

[Bellaphant]

Galrons town, I think that's really obvious. The wagons just confirm it. There may have even been two scum on his wagon, although that feels slightly unlikely.

Does it make most sense to depart today? Or do we have enough credit from the no nks?

I'd be happy to vote in rce/vivax to straight depart, but I do think flipping some other 'info' slots would be cool

[Bellaphant]

? I don't tend to omgus, I tend to want to chat it through with people, like I did with fun times. If you have any thoughts you want to chat through with me, that'd be ace.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: divulge

[Bellaphant]

Can we leave nm for a bit? It's one of my very niche skills - I've never scum read him when he's been town.

[Bellaphant]

Unfortunately, I am going V/LA for the next few days, but I should be able to make it back before the scheduled end of Day 1.

Firstly, I'm a bit surprised that everyone decided to Divulge over Depart. I guess Divulge also has its upsides, though I'll be surprised if things don't go the way I said before. Though maybe the scums will get scared of the PR instead, like

RCEnigma

said. I don't know.

My early townreads are:

RCEnigma

,

Fun Times

,

Roden

.

Enchant

kinda seems like his usual self too.

I don't buy the

Bellaphant

townread though, she (not sure about the pronouns) has more posts than me and it still feels like she's done nothing.

I am sceptical about

Taly

, because his tone sounds normal, but his reads are really odd.

My experience with reading

Frogsterking

is that he's very unpredictable and erratic (KTaNE). My impression is that he's surprisingly making some sense in this game and making an effort, which makes me paranoid and unwilling to trust him at all. Doesn't mean he's necessarily scum though. I wouldn't mind getting him Divulged though.

My vote stays on

Galron

, and I'm sorry

Galron

, but you're going to have to wait for the end of my V/LA for me to speak about my suspicions further. If you want to Divulge me, go right ahead.

So, the town reads - theory is one of these is scum (rce/Roden)
Greeting goes on to expand a lot later and a lot about Roden, so I'm removing Roden.
Shade on me and Taly, but no real push.
Basically a convoluted.null on frog
Hard push on galron - anyone still considering galron is silly.

From the reads here, I'd consider scum in me/rce/Taly (vivax). Possibly frog, but im not interested in that today.

Although I had an early tr of Taly, reading back I have no idea why.

[Bellaphant]

I'm probably only going to consider me or Roden for a pr today. I can't read pp and am only slightly confident on my read of rr.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I thought I'd made it clear that I was p convinced out if those two it was rce, but I didn't say that!

[Bellaphant]

From the reads here, I'd consider scum in me/rce/Taly (vivax). Possibly frog, but im not interested in that today.

You'd consider scum in... you?

Those are the three scum greeting id'd

. No, obviously I wouldn't, but objectively. The other two slots marry with my reads so working it out was really helpful. Unlike your question, rad: what answer did you expect, honestly

[Bellaphant]

More interestingly, what do you think of the other two slots?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: rce

[Bellaphant]

I could do vivax happily. The rce wagon going that quick is a bit worrying, but I still don't town read the slot.

[Bellaphant]

I could do vivax happily. The rce wagon going that quick is a bit worrying, but I still don't town read the slot.

Worrying? You were on it

Hello, pound shop radical rat.

So were you:why? Especially if the scum team is 'bella and galron'?

[Bellaphant]

I could do vivax happily. The rce wagon going that quick is a bit worrying, but I still don't town read the slot.

Worrying? You were on it

Hello, pound shop radical rat.

So were you:why? Especially if the scum team is 'bella and galron'?

@vivax still want you to answer this

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

Rce is being replaced

[Bellaphant]

Are we following kitty or making super kitty?

[Bellaphant]

I'm happy to elim the Malcolm slot.

[Bellaphant]

Roden isn't clear properly, I think?

[Bellaphant]

I'm less confident on rat.

I'm obviously town though : Roden, how do you actually read me?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: depart
VOTE: malcolm

[Bellaphant]

@,rad, I've sussed the slot since the last replacement!

[Bellaphant]

I think yesterday someone said we only had one day left where divulge made sense???

[Bellaphant]

I'm fine to divulge

[Bellaphant]

I think so too.

[Bellaphant]

HEAL: galron

[Bellaphant]

....everyone was on galron with less than a day and a half left, your anger feels really fake. If people were that worried, they had the option to unvote.


I was certain about galron being town.

Also, me and someone else are kitty's hood. She very strongly tr both of us, said we should treat it as a masonry .It didn't get used very much, kitty didn't check in massively. I'll find anything fun she said and relay it.

[Bellaphant]

Ok , sorry, but like three different people yelled at me, some of whom were voting. Sorry I got muddled.

[Bellaphant]

Kitty said we should do galron yesterday, in the hood .

We talked a bit about the rce slot and how all of vivax/pp/rr on their wagon cojldnt be scum: obvs vivax has now flipped town.

[Bellaphant]

Because kitty did.

[Bellaphant]

My reads have been awful this game - I think I've been right once. I'm incredibly frustrated at how little the neighborhood was used, all I know is that kitty said she considered it a masonry - (has the other participant claimed yet?)

I think she wanted to divulge galron 'for thread health', but she was non committal about actual scum reads.

[Bellaphant]

I was never that sure of frogster and I don't know about nm. I thought it was their info to share though, I wouldn't have liked to have had it been said for me?

[Bellaphant]

Roden has a point

[Bellaphant]

Open 860

Elected Decisions

Modded by RH and backup modded by the worst

Setup by Jingle and modified by RH9

Roles PMs modified from samples provided in Open 853 by Datisi

Ruleset and formatting was immensely appropriated from Hectic and northsidegal respectively via Prism with several rules taken from catboi, Plotinus and Datisi in addition to minor formatting inspired by Datisi

Miscellaneous

Spoiler: Status

Day 6

concludes in (expired on 2022-09-01 08:08:54)

Spoiler: Legend

• * denotes the amount of prods received.
  
• Bolded
  denotes confirmation of PM
  
• Strikethrough
  denotes replacement of player.

Spoiler: Links

• Mod
  
  
• Onlooker

Players

Spoiler: Remaining

1. Galron
   Firebringer
   
   
2. Bellaphant
   
   
3. Roden
   
   
4. Radical Rat
   *
   
5. Frogsterking
   Not_Mafia
   **

Spoiler: Evicted

1. Fun Times (Nancy Drew 39 & Andante)
   -
   Town Doctor
   , forcibly evicted Night 1
   
2. Greeting
   -
   Mafia
   , evicted Day 3
   
3. Enchant
   -
   Town Doctor
   , forcibly evicted Night 3
   
4. Vivax
   -
   Town
   , forcibly evicted Night 4
   
5. MalcolmTucker
   -
   Town
   , evicted Day 5
   
6. KittyTacky
   -
   Town Neighborizer
   , forcibly evicted Night 5
   
7. PenguinPower
   -
   Town
   , forcibly evicted Night 5

Spoiler: Modkilled

1. Hopefully nobody

Events

Spoiler: Day 1

• Day 1 Start
  • Day 1 Count I
    
  • Day 1 Count II
    
  • Day 1 Count III
    
  • Day 1 Count IV
    
  • Day 1 Count V
    
  • Day 1 Count VI
    
  • Day 1 Count VII
    
  • Day 1 Count VIII
• Day 1 Final
  
• Day 1 Results

Spoiler: Night 1

• Night 1 Results

Spoiler: Day 2

• Day 2 Start
  • Day 2 VC I
    
  • Day 2 VC II
    
  • Day 2 VC III
    
  • Day 2 VC IV
• Day 2 Final
  
• Day 2 Results

Spoiler: Night 2

• Night 2 Results

Spoiler: Day 3

• Day 3 Start
  • Day 3 VC I
• Day 3 Final
  
• Day 3 Results

Spoiler: Night 3

• Night 3 Results

Spoiler: Day 4

• Day 4 Start
  • Day 4 VC I
    
  • Day 4 VC II
    
  • Day 4 VC III
    
  • Day 4 VC IV
    
  • Day 4 VC V
• Day 4 Final
  
• Day 4 Results

Spoiler: Night 4

• Night 4 Results

Spoiler: Day 5

• Day 5 Start
  • Day 5 VC I
    
  • Day 5 VC II
    
  • Day 5 VC III
    
  • Day 5 VC IV
• Day 5 Final
  
• Day 5 Results

Spoiler: Night 5

• Night 5 Results

Spoiler: Day 6

• Day 6 Start
  • Day 6 VC I
    
  • Day 6 VC II
    
  • Day 6 VC III
    
  • Day 6 VC IV

FB was town? Ugh, I need way more confidence in my early reads.