OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

HEAL: Tapiocaphobe

[Eiralox]

Phobe is DA. Get them before scum do.

@Polar Bear Express: What makes what toto is doing more scum to you? Porkens had them as DA... what do you think about changes in toto d2 after porkens elim?

[Eiralox]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

[Eiralox]

Yeah because its not possible that scum killed passanger to raise sus on me. Also how in the hell does this clear nm?

This game is bs. Im going to wait for the hidden noble to claim then vote. Then lurk the fuck away like everyone else.

Neither one had him in their PoE. Why was Passenger nk’d > Enchant? Usually scum kills the most obvtown slot unless they view another player as a bigger threat. Why does NM kill either one? Elements even expressed a strong tr on NM.

~N

I have seen you defend N_M quite a lot, Junko isn't the only one intrigued by it. Why do you keep insisting that these night kills clear N_M? Why does the fact that scum! N_M will have a partner not seem to factor in this analysis?

Besides the night kills, is there any other reason for N_M being town at this point other than them saying they are?

Why trust N_M at all after the Freeeeedom piranha hammer?

[Eiralox]

It’s also possible Elmo could be scum and we could have had a chance to find out had day not ended so abruptly. :/

You would have been dead already

My point being that you promised to give reads or something but day ended abruptly but you can still do whatever you would have done yesterday, had you gotten the chance.

~N

I'll do it tonight. I'm seriously hungover and not sleeping well going to nap and come back to this

yeh you're the noble here it's kinda important to hear your voice. how do you feel on Junko, N_M, and Enchant after the freedom hammer?

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

HEAL: Tapiocaphobe

Do you have any explanations for either of these?

~N

both

[Eiralox]

Nah. I’m town. Watching the bear flail was fun though.

aight VOTE: Elmo

it's pretty clear that rn out of polar, toto and teh azn the third is your target.

Let's assume Polar and Toto are town: Who's Elmo's partner?

[Eiralox]

Ok. Eiralox go walkies.

Please tell me how Tapiocaphobe isn't Dark Angel here. They're the survivor we're looking for imo, I'll say what I have to say on scum but this is my priority read rn.

Who do you like for scum today, Phobe?

[Eiralox]

@Enchant

so you're saying scum is in Eira, Herta, Polar, Toto, Tapiocaphobe and Junkochan?

which of these two, then, would be the most likley scum?
which of these the most likely DA?

why would scum nobilize N_M for a second time, forgoing a shot at an extra kill?

Elmo and N_M were made nobles my a mass process. To say they're not scum cause of this.... meh. And then there's you: Nobilizing self and then saying this exact thing is a very convenient way for scum! enchant to survive.

[Eiralox]

hmmmmm cool thanks!

i'll think on this while out.

[Eiralox]

Elmo Teh Azn, can you share your feel on enchant with me? And maybe why porkens town = Not_Mafia scum!

Cos if N_M scum here it means scum enobled one of their own, for more voting power. Because: Double nobling a town and forgoing a chance at an extra kill doesnt make much sense. Then N_M mentioned that maybe scum knew DA and they were pushing mis-elims.... but then who is DA? I haven't found a slot that really fits that model of the DA, it makes more sense that scumteam enobled their own, foregoing one chance at an extra kill you have double vote and clear N_M as in: 'First N_M couldn't be DA, now with this ploy we'll convince 'em that N_M isn't scum either.'

But that still begs the question of would that be worth it? maybe scumteam felt N_M was a viable elim after end D2, so this is a ploy to save scum! N_M or at least increase their rep?

cos on the whole, number wise i still think getting that Day Kill is worth more than trying some fancy ploy to throw off flak, if N_M i scum. if N_M isn't, well i get what enchant and N_m are saying but all in all, with the game state as it was end D2, i'm not sure how scum could know who DA is?

I mean im 95% sure its Tapiocaphobe anyway but either way i say it: enobling someone twice can only be helpful for scum if they get doublevote? otherwise you're giving town extra votes, if you miss DA. eh. I really don't see how 'N_M might trollvote' could counter 'we remove DA and get a daykill' which like..... can make things all kinda easier for any scumteam.

[Eiralox]

lol

[Eiralox]

so junk junko basically: 'durr triggered my trap card'

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so uh.... about this appeal to emotion, first saying how off PB Express is and then how folk are ignoring them, and folk need a leader and that's you....

What should we be noticing about what PBE is saying? should we be suspicious of toto? What you're saying here comes after PBE flipped town on you. I sense an agenda. Prove me wrong. meh. Time.

[Eiralox]

final thought: throw me with your best enchant scumcase. don't bother casing me tho.


p-edit: ok so suddenly we're not limming enchant. eh. i'm not gonna even approach this. if you tell me how what i'm saying bout n_m is scum-indic and how... as you say... you 'set me up' ..... meh it might pique my interest. but i'm sensing your pivoting here without solidity, now herta and tapio as mafia.......

maybe you fear tapiocaphobe being the actual Dark Angel, thus ending game for scum?

Eh. Later.

[Eiralox]

so junk junko basically: 'durr triggered my trap card'

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so uh.... about this appeal to emotion, first saying how off PB Express is and then how folk are ignoring them, and folk need a leader and that's you....

What should we be noticing about what PBE is saying? should we be suspicious of toto? What you're saying here comes after PBE flipped town on you. I sense an agenda. Prove me wrong. meh. Time.

Why aren't you contemplating the idea of a theatre between me and Nancy?

Because you know it isn't

*Drops mic*

lol y u suckling on Not mafia's abomination milk?

*drops*

[Eiralox]

ugh. well imma bounce

[Eiralox]

lol keep spamming maybe it'll make what ur saying make sense once my mind is filled with enough non data

[Eiralox]

yeah im leaving like a palsied tortoise gimme a break. im not nervous i'm...... let's say a mixture between excitement, bemusement and, already, discouragement.

i'll get nervous once you make sense, maybe, cos then either: ur town making bad call based on faulty logic or da/scum who's finally found a way to be a lucid threat to me.


eh rain's here. imma hat thing and smoke and bye.

[Eiralox]

Polar: I am voting N_M. Otherwise, I don't see much in the way of concreteness on your N_M and Enchant reads. You keep incepting that they're town, and... there's fluff... and not much else. Calling my tone scummy, sure, but where are you coming from, with such certainty, on these two slots?



Tapiocaphobe: Uh ok? Thanks for explaining those reads, and your vote on me with junko.

[Eiralox]

yeah freedom i feel for you lol

[Eiralox]

So basically no comment from tapiocaphobe on me calling them as Dark Angel, except a vote I guess. I'll explain that whenever. Then junko pivoting on: enchant/eira/herta/phobe then eira/phobe/herta.

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Phobe: Votes eira with junko, calls junko/herta as well.

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Tapiocaphobe, what makes you think Polar Bear Express can be Dark Angel?

[Eiralox]

PBE, NK analysis alone wont clear N_M for me. if i'm not in a scumchat the guessing as to why and wherefore and who is usually not my style. so you hinging an entire read off that?

[Eiralox]

maybe johnny was liked cos they weren't asking questions lol

[Eiralox]

or maybe i'm an ass >.<

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE:

[Eiralox]

Polar bear, toto/junko has way more equity.if tapi is da, am I scum? If im scum y trust tapi da?

Hard read game.

Idont fully trust elmo to be town.

I have some juicy pairings but on consid not sharing yet.

Da im pretty much certain on. Scum ill hunt with cases, and I got some dirty ideas already.

[Eiralox]

I dont think Eira wants to die, Junko can be town today, Herta is being herta, Tapocaphobe it is.

HEAL: tapio

last post because i cant help it. this is scum c'mon guys. scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum

-A

Wow actually thot bout this postwhilesmokey. Ugh mobile.

So.....either town toto or lazy scum seeking to ally with me(part boyt me atleast ).note toto neversaid im towmn tho. Justnot da. So eh.

Toto/junko fits so nicely as a scumteam that im wary of pushing it atm. My brain can get lazy so im where I was: wait for my scumreads.

[Eiralox]

so sorry for butchering spelling your name eiralox btw. im super tired and didn't feel like checking. A is out.

-A

Np lol even if I notice I dont care

[Eiralox]

This also pinged me a bit. Why ask this? Were you hoping to maybe push me had Enchant expressed suspicion on me?

Your town read on Enchant seemed a bit weird to me at the time given I was not town reading them. Also Enchant was not really engaging much beyond troll posting so seemed like a good question to ask at the time to get reads out of them.

Also generally your analysis has been a bit black/white which does raise my suspicion on your slot a little bit. You are a hydra too which complicates things a bit in terms of reading you.

I accidentally read backwards but this post and another one voting us and saying they'll flip green. all look. terrible. toto is solidly in the solve. eirlok is maybe in the solve. i find their cascade of questions scummy atm.

-A

Re cascade yeah im repping into game with weak d1 d2 data. First my tone is scummy now my questions, soooo....meh.weird reasons tbh, but I get I.m spammy rn so Its nai from u I guess. Basically I wanna find scumand I wanna find town abd this is my way

[Eiralox]

Well not sure pbe is scum. Could be with nm. Theres a chance theyre da but im way too surebout phobe to deviate

[Eiralox]

Eh.... shit tbh herta doesnt give me da vibes. Phobe screamt it n2.

Herta total null rn. I need to reread and proper vote analyze at sum point.


Phobe is more concerned with enobling than finding scum imo and I might say more in time when pwr comes on soon.

[Eiralox]

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

[Eiralox]

Eh.... shit tbh herta doesnt give me da vibes. Phobe screamt it n2.

Herta total null rn. I need to reread and proper vote analyze at sum point.


Phobe is more concerned with enobling than finding scum imo and I might say more in time when pwr comes on soon.

This is clearly untrue. I was tunnelling Toto all day, so why are you saying things are clearly false?

~N

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Just reiterating the different wincons. I think I’m disagreeing with Noraa, I don’t think it’s Toto anymore.

VOTE: Eiralox

If you’re going to tell outright lies about my play, you’re getting voted.

~N

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Just reiterating the different wincons. I think I’m disagreeing with Noraa, I don’t think it’s Toto anymore.

VOTE: Eiralox

If you’re going to tell outright lies about my play, you’re getting voted.

~N

Noraa’s as well. It obviously complete bs to say that either of us aren’t scumhunting.

[Eiralox]

wow ok this ultra defensive rant comes out of nowhere.

i'll make this very clear: I stated that Phobe, as in tapiocaphobe, is more concerned with enobling than scumhunting. so...... wtf is this knee jerk? this whole.... explosion bout something i never said bout u?

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And if u need an eira translator, adn seemingly that's your only reason for being on me discounting the...... phobe razorwire attack here, well......


what i said was pretty clear. so. not even engaging with this further.

[Eiralox]

so sure Phobe = PBE somehwat. but please tell me you got more than this for joining phobe and junko on 'eira is scum, i says so'.

bad look. lukcily i sorta still feel town on u so meh but not sure how im feeling about this launch yet.

[Eiralox]

like...... i understand how you can make that mistake. i'm just trying to determine whether this inno from u or very clever theatre. leaning towARDS THE FIRST i guess but with your vote being the third on me without any.... substance i don't really care either way, i guess i'll just chaljk it up to whatever and move on.

[Eiralox]

wow ok this ultra defensive rant comes out of nowhere.

i'll make this very clear: I stated that Phobe, as in tapiocaphobe, is more concerned with enobling than scumhunting. so...... wtf is this knee jerk? this whole.... explosion bout something i never said bout u?

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And if u need an eira translator, adn seemingly that's your only reason for being on me discounting the...... phobe razorwire attack here, well......


what i said was pretty clear. so. not even engaging with this further.

It’s not clear to me at all. I couldn’t make sense of anything you said other than we weren’t scum hunting which was obviously not true.

~N

yeah im not translating now.


Y u still voting me?

I said Phobe isnt scumhunting. any other reason for being on me? well. hopefully when i come back.

[Eiralox]

so sure Phobe = PBE somehwat. but please tell me you got more than this for joining phobe and junko on 'eira is scum, i says so'.

bad look. lukcily i sorta still feel town on u so meh but not sure how im feeling about this launch yet.

We were scumhunting and you were suggesting we weren’t. Are you saying I misunderstood you then?

~N

im not typing this again.

[Eiralox]

wow lol ur not even reading. yeah im done.

*pe-edit:


yeah ok this has been rollercoaster ride. whatever. later i guess.

[Eiralox]

Eh.... shit tbh herta doesnt give me da vibes. Phobe screamt it n2.

Herta total null rn. I need to reread and proper vote analyze at sum point.


Phobe is more concerned with enobling than finding scum imo and I might say more in time when pwr comes on soon.

This is clearly untrue. I was tunnelling Toto all day, so why are you saying things are clearly false?

~N

wow lol ur not even reading. yeah im done.

*pe-edit:


yeah ok this has been rollercoaster ride. whatever. later i guess.

I AM READING, I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND. Why are you not listening?

~N

Ok so in 596 Phobe>Tapiocaphobe.

What else?

[Eiralox]

EDIT: In #590

[Eiralox]

so besides that, uh, mistranslation, what else is misunderstood?

If u backread u'll see that thus far ur the only player i've felt any sort of town on so if there's some mystery plz hash it out

[Eiralox]

so besides that, uh, mistranslation, what else is misunderstood?

If u backread u'll see that thus far ur the only player i've felt any sort of town on so if there's some mystery plz hash it out

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

Well since I had trouble understanding exactly what you were saying, I was looking for reactions to your posts to make sense of them, so I obviously shouldn’t have done that then.

It’s hard for me to scumhunt when we haven’t had a single mafia flip yet but that’s not from a lack of trying and DA hunting is protown because you can win the game if you get it right. I will have a much better idea about that when I see Tap’s reaction to the heal.

~N

basically enchant agreeing with me that u seem very town but not completely. i did say 'vt-seeming' tho, so while that's +town a good scum/DA can also pull that off. what makes me hesitate is the void of other possible 'definite VT's'. Candidates yeah but no shiners.

[Eiralox]

lol

[Eiralox]

so boring

[Eiralox]

lol sure let me solve the game in two days why not.

I'm not here to impress you.

Be glad i'm hedging on you.

And once again, as i've said numerous times, i havent started scumcasing yet.

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Nancy: Eira's tone is scummy

Noraah: Eira's asking too many questions

Nancy: Eira is too hedgy on me and hasn't liked anyone else for town.

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1 is ok, i tend to sound scummy to some becuase i'm direct.

2 is abysmal, im repping in im gonna ask questions.

3 is abysmal, im repping in and dont have a grip on reads yet.... why this impatience for me to have?

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I'll say more later.

[Eiralox]

yeah whatever. your scumcase on me is: duuur trap card, 'u nervous yo' and now 'cant wait for eira's fake reads'

i'm liking your lack of style

[Eiralox]

and tapioca's case on me is:



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*tumbleweed*
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(((Dark Angel)))

[Eiralox]

i meant it thusly

[Eiralox]

i'm curious why you think me voting N_M is scummy tho. care to explain how you trapped me, or is it just a thing your gonna dodge?

[Eiralox]

so is my tapiocaphobe is dark angel read also fake?

eat us spider we flies are legion.

So officially you're dodging how your little 'trap' functions. noted.

[Eiralox]

why so hesitant to speak about Not_Mafia?

[Eiralox]

You surely think they are town, if trap has any function. Why dodge that?

[Eiralox]

That's what i thought.

Total reluctance to engage on Not_mafia at all.

Earlier you had Tapio in scum bin after I called 'em, then followed herd to enoble them. Now this chance to switch to Toto.


Well.............................................................................................

The reluctance on Not_Mafia gives me more to work with.

[Eiralox]

But my earlier 'Junko suddenly having Phobe in scum bin' also has a bit more weight now. We'll see.

*p-edit: It'll help more if you actually engage with me. Explaining your viewpoint will make this leagues easier than me having to guess at what exactly uour pulling. so ngl this reluctance is harrowing and really not a decent feel from u.

[Eiralox]

Elmo/Junko scum all kinda possible then.

[Eiralox]

i'll try do full vc an re-read d1 d2 coming day. JunkoChan, i'll ask you this one last time to explain anything regarding N_M's alignment and my swing one them.

[Eiralox]

yeah that's it for us interacting. not cos you're irritating, you're cool, memes always welcome, but cos i asked and there was no answer. i'll approach this later then, right now this focus has become futile and im gonna spam in circles. i got what i wanted, we'll see what it means later.

[Eiralox]

wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

[Eiralox]

wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

Then your mind needs an effective degreaser. Why did Johnny have to be replaced?

~N

definitely. graft one in.

eh maybe my presence is repulsive. i have virtuous aims tho. Poor Johnny's ded and that's that. can't say no more can I, happens to us all.

Anyway that's just a early teaming. we'll see. i'm gonna go watch some choral thing.

Please, can you in the meantime, i ask again, tell me more on why enchant and n_m town? they're kinda awol atm so once i'll re-read ill get a feel on past thems but meanwhile u have them green i'd like to have some idea as to why.

[Eiralox]

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

he is onto us by the way, watch out

For someone who’s been posting as much as he has, you’d think he has some decent reads, other than DA. Because that read actually makes logical sense.

~N

gimme time. so you think junk0 = town?

[Eiralox]

definitely. now imma vivaldi

[Eiralox]

So u want another lolhammer here?

[Eiralox]

Elmo can be 100% scum.but with nm hidden noble maybelets collate first?

[Eiralox]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

Yeah id liveto hear from phobe but eh.

This can be risky play from scum junko if phobe da? Possible.

[Eiralox]

That was -3 lol im.dumb

[Eiralox]

That was -3 lol im.dumb

Indeed, herta and You didn't check facts before doing your charade here

Pretty much

[Eiralox]

Elmo can be 100% scum.but with nm hidden noble maybelets collate first?

Elaborate?

~N

Basically my big n_m post.

[Eiralox]

So.

[Eiralox]

Im mot certain on scum yet. But might as well now im getting lazy.

[Eiralox]

Im not saying nm is scum if thats what ur saying

[Eiralox]

Junko.

[Eiralox]

I am the hidden noble.

[Eiralox]

wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

Then your mind needs an effective degreaser. Why did Johnny have to be replaced?

~N

definitely. graft one in.

eh maybe my presence is repulsive. i have virtuous aims tho. Poor Johnny's ded and that's that. can't say no more can I, happens to us all.

Anyway that's just a early teaming. we'll see. i'm gonna go watch some choral thing.

Please, can you in the meantime, i ask again, tell me more on why enchant and n_m town? they're kinda awol atm so once i'll re-read ill get a feel on past thems but meanwhile u have them green i'd like to have some idea as to why.

This one? I think NM is probably town and Herta too for Elements’ kill. Herta just sounds very sincere to me and NM often has good instincts plus, Elmo had good reason to kill Elements. I no longer tr Enchant. I don’t believe his takes on me. Town!Enchant wouldn’t have just shaded me and ignored any of my arguments. Passenger was pretty obvtown.

~N

The big rambling post I adreased to elz neomo alz.. .. nemo. On mobile power ded whole night so no?

Enchant/Elmo has a rythm. Im just not sure yet. Enchant... ugh ill talk bt them later. Elmo...... more scum than da. Town? Idk.

[Eiralox]

Let's put Eiralox at E-2 if the cow doesn't hammer we vote the cow

Haha

[Eiralox]

If 2 people hammer eiralox after E-2 they are scumclaiming

Or just feeling like a nice hammer lol. I had this selfsamr idea but theres 4 ither ways I can prove im an aristo before we have to resort to such barbarity

[Eiralox]

But if yall wanna be impatient and tie me to a volcano sure

[Eiralox]

Yup 525

[Eiralox]

Dont feel any way on nm yet. Maybe greener than enchant.

[Eiralox]

I can feel this coming from town nm, to help town. Im not yet sure. My reads are....... fluid.very.

[Eiralox]

@Eiralox

why lying

Well.....


Bout what?




Imma smoke.

[Eiralox]

Yeah this was to save elmo, for a time perhaps, still think they have very high prob to be scum but me tapping out soon its better that town has info that scum has. Continue as you wish.

If tapiocaphobe isnt dark angel this might complicate things, my vote stays tho.

[Eiralox]

if you are nobled then you knew NM lying

why didn't say so

Cos only way I vould maybe find scum/town semi mechanically, thanks to nm claim.

So for now spro town move. Anyway..who's. scum?

[Eiralox]

So.......................


Are you scum with elmo?


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Eiralox]

So. I almost voted elmo. But imma sleep.

[Eiralox]

and vote since he's definitely not town fmpov

From town meg's pov I'm exactly DA.

Are you Dark Angel?

[Eiralox]

Polar Bear Express, why did Toto die?

[Eiralox]

My Likliest Scumteam: MegaAzumarill/Not_Mafia.

Dark Angel: ??????????????

Guess herta if PBE is telling truth and I'm on Mega/NotM. But herta.... sorta feels town so eh?

I'm still undecided on enchant. Felt weurd but can actually be coming from viewpoint of town concern.

Meh that's it for now? Yeah.

[Eiralox]

My Likliest Scumteam: MegaAzumarill/Not_Mafia.

Dark Angel: ??????????????

Guess herta if PBE is telling truth and I'm on Mega/NotM. But herta.... sorta feels town so eh?

I'm still undecided on enchant. Felt weurd but can actually be coming from viewpoint of town concern.

Meh that's it for now? Yeah.

Do you agree with the premise that DA is in Meg/Herta?

mechanically the only other option would be: PBE is lying about Hidden Nobled.

So considering all of us nobled the only picks for DA are PBE, Mega and Herta.

I kinda still jigged towards Toto as scum/DA so on that front the kill makes certain analyses much easier.

So simply put if either Meg or Herta ain't DA then Polar Bear is.

Would PBE scum claim hidden noble? Why?
Would PBE DA claim hidden noble? The why is obvious, but why risk it? Cos if PBE fakeclaim then either they are scum with N_M or taking a very great risk as to when third hidden noble is gonna appear, if they not scum.

As it still makes little sense imo, esp. this late in game, to hidden noble scum before possible dark angel, fore now i'll trust PBE.

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What keeps nagging is toto kill. Were they sure PBE is da?I y narrow da selection down so radically by killimg unobled while also nobling pbe,assuming pbe town?


Cos pbe town = scum likely knew if they got da wrong it gonna be 50/50. Unless Mega is scum, then scum had a mere 3 picks for da. So mega killing toto could be weird but not yet a dealbreaker.


Maybe scum fear of town autowin trumped scum desire for daykill and they went for pbe as most likely da, and toto maybe as a 'could be da lets be safe' or other reason.

I dont ussually do night analyses but dis time round im real curious

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So..... could be that one unobled(pbe, herta. Meg) in scum.

Two unobled would be... herta/pbe, but then, why enoble pbe? Why kill toto? Herta/pbe would know da in meg/toto. Herta/meg team doesnt fit unless pbe is lying. If pbe is lying herta/meg scum get them tonight, so for now herta/pbe a more solid pairing in this regard.

So the other poss. is two nobled scum. (Enchant/nm or whatevs)



.they have choice of four possible da, knowing that once elo da is out so they basically have 1-2nightto get daykill. So they go for pbe and toto hopoing at least one is da? Why not da mega/herta tho? Was poss for that pbe da when elmo died so eh.


Curently I think 1 noble/1 unobled scum is more liklier than above possibilities

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Lol yeah ibnore the non,_sense infirst sentences, ill come back to this later.has merit

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i havent handled total votes yet, but let's:


Assume that Polar Bear Express is Town. I have no proof, they feel the most green to me, but i'm still very hedgy on my reads. but let's assume.

Eira is town.


1. Herta is Dark Angel


Not_Mafia/Enchant

Not_Mafia/Azumaril

Not_Mafia/Mathblade

Azumaril/Mathblade

Azumaril/Enchant

2. MegAzumaru is Dark Angel

Enchant/Mathblade

Enchant/Not_Mafia

Enchant/Herta

Herta/Mathblade

Herta/Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia/Mathblade

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assuming mathblade town
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1. Herta is DA

MegAzumaril/Not_Mafia

MegaAzumaril/Enchant

Enchant/Not_Mafia

2. Meg is DA

Enchant/Herta

Enchant/Not_mafia

Not_Mafia/Herta

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Assuming Enchant town
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1. Herta is DA

Not_Mafia/MegAzumaril

2. Meg/Azumaril is DA

Herta/Not_Mafia

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A lot of assumptions. Tapioca maybe more town than scum, and Math does seem town, so second assumption can be made.
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Scumteam with Enchant in it could have enobled Enchant D2 for town cred. Enchant later saying 'all nobles town' might back this up. But enchant has also felt town on a good few occasions, my read here is a bit jiggy so third assumption a bit more risque.

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that said, while I feel Junko was scummy, they could've been town and Meg could, also, be town. In which case i might case Math and it would something like

Not_Mafia/Mathblade Enchant/Mathblade where Herta is Dark Angel.. EH.

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PBE/Mathblade did cross my mind on a few occasions. See: yesterday's noble voting. Enobling PBE here can be to cement towncred, and taking a gamble on Dark Angle after Toto kill. But it's a whackbrained pairing for now, still think scum would be hunting DA. Only question is, how much did scum know last night?

Did they have anyone not nobled? Or were they already nobles, with less info as to who DA is?

[Eiralox]

*missed Enchant/Mathblade under first 'Herta DA'

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See, that's still what bothers me: would scum! herta or scum! MegAzumaril kill Toto, and enoble PBE, thus trapping themselves in this very Meg/Herta deadlock? Beacuase it means that they draw so much attention to themselves that they either: get voted, or get enobled.... 50/50, if they get enobled then DA dies but they get two votes the next day, and aren't proven scum..................... but if they get voted, then DA dies and town wins.....

Would scum take that gamble?

is it maybe then: Herta DA/Azumaril Town or Azumaril DA/Herta town, which means scum are nobled......


Unless PBE is lying.



I'm starting to think my 'both scum are nobles has more weight'.

Either that or scum didn't see this deadlock, or rather decided that it was worth a gamble.

Enchant/PBE scumteam:

Enobe Enchant Night 1, Enoble Polar Bear Express, Night 3, eze win................ but why kill Toto!?

Cos again, if Toto was alive, then instead of having an elephant gun at least scum would have a three-shooter when it comes to town-insta win with Dark Angel. So could be there's a big brain play i'm missing, or could be i'm overthinking this....... not really.

But then again, PBE/Enchant scumteam not knowing who between Toto/Mega/Herta is DA could lead to: kill Toto, let's sort Herta and Meg on our own time and make sure we let town enbole the town and lim the DA. DA will help us.

Still risky play just to give PBE some towncred, eh still leaning towards 'PBE is DA, let's get daykill' and maybe scum just felt Toto seemed very towny?

[Eiralox]

maybe scum killing Toto really means they felt PBE is DA.

For now, Herta/Meg not viable due to PBE claim. Hmmm.....

My gut is till very much on Not_Mafia/MegAzumarill.

But i'mma think on this.

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cos then I have to believe in herta is Dark Angel. Toto felt that..... hmmmm. We'll see.

[Eiralox]

JunkoChan/Not_mafia behavior end day 3 is sorta the main approach of my current sceamteam.

I think tabulating collective votes/noble votes is my next best play.

[Eiralox]

*scumteam

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My brain is auto correcting DA to "duh" and it's making me have to reread each new posts but it does make it funnier

yeAH me typing da in small letters confused me as well

[Eiralox]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

So Meg ain't scum?

[Eiralox]

We shouldn’t rush this day. If me and Math voted the same player and then anyone could hammer. It’s extremely important we try to get this right.

~Nancy

100% agree. D3 was the same.

[Eiralox]

Idk.

I tossed coin.

: P

[Eiralox]

Why I asked Math to read Junko ISO is I got the impression she didn’t know who DA was but of course that could have been faked.

so you believe scum already know who the dark Angel is?

I'm not too sure, Night 3/Day 3, otherwise they would have got them Night 3, so Junko not knowing isn't AI by itself maybe?

Day 4, there's a chance scum already knows depending on who scum is.

[Eiralox]

Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.

that's my current mindstate, my feels D3 were taht JunkoChan could have had an scum agenda tho. Still way undecided but the fact that there are already two votes on herta is interesting.

[Eiralox]

makes me want to ennoble herta

[Eiralox]

*votes on herta

[Eiralox]

Herta, if you are town, it means Mega is DA.

I'm 97& sure Enchant is HN

I'm 70% sure PBE is.


So assuming you're town, and Meg is DA, who is scum?

[Eiralox]

eira, enchant and pbe can still be scum.

if mafia and dark angel in Herta/MegAzumarill this becomes a race to absurdity.

Mathblade/Not_Mafia is an interesting solve tho.

I'll add herta town, mega DA into pile for now and go play black skylands

[Eiralox]

JunkoChan nobling Toto D3 is interesting, after flip.

[Eiralox]

HEAL: Herta

for now. i'll try to wrap my brain around this whenever. i'm a bit lost tbh, think i need to go thru herta/MegAzu isos at some point.

[Eiralox]

my main concern keeps being why scum would put themselves in this situation. i still don't understand the toto kill.

[Eiralox]

Hmmmm.

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I havent gotten to backreading yet. I feel its important to be sure here.


My gut still.very much says herta is dark angel.

Scum acting like da very good way to escape elim.

Meg/PBE

Math/PBE

Scumteams scare me atm. Meh whatever.

Nm/meg still pretty much where im at. Wanna be certain.

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Your thoughts on DA/Mafia and why.
I'm fairly sure you are town so want to see where you lie

I have no idea about who is DA exactly (i didn't joke about coin). I simple sheep Bear on this matter.


If we rating mafia, then from likely to unlikely:
Eiro > MathBlade > NM > Bear/You

Xpand if possible plz. Ded wrong on me. Where herta here? U sure their da?

[Eiralox]

Herta/ecnchant meg da. Meh.... ill study it

[Eiralox]

But above is scant I guess. Curious tho...

[Eiralox]

So im in noway certain. But my gut rn is that theres way too kuch agreeableness aftershift to meg da. Maybe its just my brain notwanting to adapt..


But there's a posible tonal shift so im not it

[Eiralox]

Noting it

[Eiralox]

Ugh what if nm isnt scum that would be so frustrating rn

[Eiralox]

Maybe im too paranoid. Bye

[Eiralox]

Hmmmm. Good argument re: Herta/Meg, considered it earlier, but people make strange decisions so can't discount either as scum.

doesn't N_M's voting seem... predatory?

And Junkochan, I sensed, was keen to rush the elim at D3 end.

But i'm in no way saying i have proof yet, i need to logic this

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So PBE claiming Hidden Noble clears them for you>? Good argument. Ugh... Bye x2

[Eiralox]

So PBE claiming Hidden Noble clears them for you>? Good argument. Ugh... Bye x2

Yes. Problem?

no. it's so logical and.... obvious that i'm not sure i wanna believe it yet... but that's a me problem.

[Eiralox]

my reads aren't stone-set.

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my instincts rn are were they were back in big post: pbe, matth, enchant seem town.

which means scum is nm/herta or nm/meg

don't fully believe this yet but by feels alone yeah?

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the counters to this would be some bigbrain plays, but i don't see any unless the DA is playing along with scum(DA enchant/pbe) ........ which makes no sense as it's against wincon at this point, DA wants to die or survive.

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ugh.... which is still strange re: toto kill, meg/herta scum, but whatever.
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I'm very happy to stretch this as long as possible but if ya'll wanna continue and end it, sure. turgidity aint universally embraced

[Eiralox]

and if herta is DA and meg town, mathblade/not_mafia?

enchant's sorting sorta makes that the only possible for me if enchant/my thought on herta/meg has weight: i.e: why would scum! herta or meg kill toto?

so math seems town but meh i'd say N_M/Math liklier than other pairings. but that's tinfoil atm, of little use unless we don't enoble the Dark Angel.

[Eiralox]

i like yawning

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my thinking is basic rn: DA doesnt want to die. so appearing too much town d1, d2, d3, out of the question. Appearing too much scum, out of the question. Appearing like DA, out of the question.

Junko/Meg is closer to either: Scum with agenda or Chaotic Town. Not sure, vacillating, i'm not gonna reach a conclusion here.

Herta just.... survived, never ruffled feathers, head down and go on.... i see scum/town junko acting as they did D3 but imo it's way too risky for DA.... Junko had a few weird moments with me and i think herta, refusing to engage....

i see that more likely to come from scum trying to appear like DA in order not to die, ever, than I see it as DA.... trying what? drawing attention? ofc town acting like DA is a good start to throw off scum this game, but meh whatever.

i was wrong on tapioca, so mind not always set but the more i read the more i lock myself into a herta heal.

just feels like while we are are healing herta someone, somewhere, isn't happy about things. when the heal shifted to meg i really felt like..... a trapdoor, a falling sensation, where gravity get what it wants and it all comes tumbling down in ruin. eh.

[Eiralox]

*DA does want to die lol. So DA acting like scum is what they want, or DA acting like town. but acting too much like one can mean scum doesnt kill you, or town doesnt think you're scum. why even did i type that lol

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Hmmmm so i guess that's the point: DA acting too much like scum might trigger town 'might be DA' instincts, and make scum hidden noble them.

So the best DA appears very town, hoping mafia hidden nobles them? but then chances are they won't a chance for day noble?


Ugh the general point i wanted to make before making no sense from the start is this: Someone taking a middle ground would make more sense imo. Herta fits that, while Junk/Meg, I get the feel they've really tried to appear town this game, despite me finding things that have scum equity etc.

Herta sorta is in that obscure loop, less of a voice, less of an impact, relatively town-seeming enough that scum might kill them before enobling them.

thus: why was PBE hidden nobled over Meg slot?


Moreover, Juno/Meg i've felt agenda, drive, purpose when it comes to voting. Herta not so much, pretty much: 'what ya'll doing? yeah can be this. why do you say that? minimal impact, and that's a good place for DA to be depending on game. Obv town might not be killed by scum cos they're obv, and obv scum DA again has risk of not being voted and scum then knowing them. middle ground is safer, from some's viewpoint i guess?

[Eiralox]

*hoping mafia doesn't hidden noble them.

ugh yeah what am i even