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my knowledge of lowell is that he lurks. fatally so. i've read him lynched as doctor. i have yet to read a game of his where he participates a good deal and responds to pressure. he's a good candidate for policy lynch, however, i have yet to see a policy lynch on this site hit scum. so...town 39-32
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odd. never said their were any "bad" cases. just that sleepless had the worst. worst olympian on the podium is still pretty good, so whatever. read into it what you like. he voted ness with weak reasoning. now he pushes suspicion on confid with weak reasoning. he's making the worst cases. of course, i do need to reread the last couple of pages, but noone else is sticking out to me yet.semioldguy wrote:
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Sleepless Assassin also seems to be missing. Why is his case the worst in your opinion? Please make comparisons to other bad cases to show why his is worse than other bad cases you see.
122: semi was my random vote. had to unvote to drop my first serious one.
offering suggestions is far from "directing". i am confident that power roles can make up their own minds. i was more alluding to the fact that it is not in town's best interest to lynch a player who is ultimately null tell. null tell players are better targeted with night actions. doesn't make a difference what set-up you are in.dry-fit wrote:Any perticular reason you're directing power roles, DJ?town 39-32
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not really sure what you're asking here. you just double voted serrose. obviously, you think your case is good. i need to read it before i agree, but why do you need me to compare it to SA's vote if ytou are so sure of it that you double voted? do you think SA is playing well? i guess i just don't understand why you are defending him.town 39-32
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at the time SA voted, we were still in a seeming joke vote stage. there wasn't much going on. he switched his random vote to what i can only assume was a serious vote with poor(and piggybacked) reasoning. hence, at that time it was the "worst" case in my mind. it also seemed like joke vote # 2, which would be alright on page 1 or 2, but i believe he was attempting to leave the RVS which is what makes it a bad vote. until he returns and participates i see no reason to move my vote at this time.
dry-fit: null tell means you can't read a player. they appear as neither scum nor town.town 39-32
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^^ this is a horrendous false dichotomy. please explain.Sleepless Assassin wrote:
That being said, if you are scum, Lowell is town.
2 is null tell. it is in a townies best interest to separate themselves from their predecessors play if it is, in fact, questionable. nothing wrong with three. there is not much activity here, you say agree with a contradiction. "he hasn't followed up with anything". wrong. a spiritless attack is still something.sleepy wrote:
2 seems to restate my point and I agree with 3.Lowell wrote:unvote, vote confid
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1) OMGUS
2) His passing mention of his predecessor's play is strange. It's like he wanted to cut off a potential liability (if there was one) before anyone could bring it up. His staged diplomacy in the process and in the post after is basically useless.
3) He's made an "anyone here?" post, but hasn't followed up with anything to get the game moving, other than a spiritless attack on someone (me), which he quickly caveats by saying it could be nothing. Kind of an... obvious thing to say. Like a cheap out to be used later on if needed.
a nice summary of the case would be helpful.sleepyhead wrote:
Actually, my initial suspicion came from Nessa, who Confid replaced. Confid just hasn't looked town enough for me to forget how scummy Nessa was and there's even some points against Confid himself.
you voted lowell with no posted reasoning. never explained why you switched your vote off him and it occurred during the RVS. i consider that "random". not by the strict definition of the word, but i loathe semantics arguments. if it wasn't random/joke, then what was it?semioldguy wrote:
When did I random vote?
you capitalized on wdjat's pressure. hence, piggybacking. then you push suspicion at wdjat directly after lowell votes him in post 57/58.sleep apnea wrote:Also, I disagree about my reasoning being weak. And I didn't piggyback anyone. I think for myself most of the time.
i didn't call your nessa vote a joke vote. if it is a joke vote, please say so. if its not, then your reasoning is poor. again, how do you classify your first vote of the game? what caused you to unvote that player? please don't argue semantics of the words "joke" and "random".sleepwalker wrote:
I never even made joke vote 1, so how could I make a second? And how can you call my vote on Nessa both a joke vote and a serious vote. It's one or the other. Either there is a reason for it (there was) or there isn't. You can't have both.
nothing. is that what you were doing? if so, then you have to concede that your first vote was random/joke. so please, explain further.assman wrote:And what is wrong with leaving the RVS?town 39-32
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good response. i will have to reread the timeline on the "piggybacking" accusation, but if your timeline is correct, then i will retract it. if you want your earlier game votes to be taken seriously, they should be fleshed out when they are given. i don't think its out of line for me to interpret them as random/joke when the reasoning is not concretely attached. that said, i think i have a new case a brewin.
i need to iso your posts, but you are rubbing me the wrong way. you seem to be attributing comments to me that i never made. i don't think i said i was unable to read him, and i also don't think i said the rest of you can't either. please go back and read what i posted in its context and get back to me. in the meantime, i am going to analyze your contributions.dry-fit wrote:That's what I thought. Just because you aren't able to read him, why does that make you think the rest of us can't?town 39-32
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you are isolating the comments from the discussion they were in. hence, taking the quotes out of context.
the first quote is a general statement of mafia theory. it was posted in response to another player voting for someone who, by their own posts, indicated a null-tell read on another player.
the second is me defining a term for you.
it was not me "describing him" that way. it was me interpreting another players description of his play. read the quotes in context with the discussion and it should be obvious.town 39-32
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i am not sure what the dj/dry spat is about either. he seems intent on twisting my words and ignoring context, though, which is just getting annoying.
164: i don't see any reason to take confid off the list at this point. there have been a couple good points made by lowell and tdc. i am not sure why wdjat is even being considered. is there a case against him?town 39-32
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sorry. noone actually said he was null. the case against him seemed to be because players couldn't get a good read on him. to me, that implied that he was what i would refer to as "null-tell". my strategy with null-tell players is to target them with things like vig kills, investigations, etc. it was a general statement of mafia theory. not meant to direct anyone. but yeah, we can drop it. the conversation seemed to be in a negative spiral. on to bigger things:Dry-fit wrote: @DJ: After rereading the thread, I'm still not sure who you were referring to that said he was null, but I'm willing to drop it.
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L-1. nobody hammer. let's get a claim. he doesn't look good on reread. two days to deadline. discuss...town 39-32
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hello and thanks for replkacing in. this game is breathing heavy and labored. i can support a dry-fit wagon. its nice to see that someone noticed his odd behavior besides me. i always find it difficult to build a good case against someone who is attacking you without having it look like omgus and being discredited, so i appreciate your insight there.
first inconsistency i see in your posts, though, is the idea that my early semi vote could be a buss. this is just after you give semi a strong townie read. just seemed nonsequitur to me. i would like to look through your posts a bit more. with five days to deadline i think we need more participation. i am not moving my vote unless confid comes back and convinces me to at this point. dry-fit being my number two and not being on the confid wagon also makes me think we might have this one right, but we'll have to see and get more participation from others.town 39-32
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i agree that this is not the correct reaction and as i said before, i am down with the dry wagon. confid is being replaced. i consider that slot our deadline lynch if need be. to scummy players flaking under pressure should not be ignored. in the meantime...town 39-32
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my post was made in response to what i percieved as a "bad" case. that not withstanding, directing power roles is only scummy if scum is directing them. suggesting that a particular player be investigated can actually help a newb powerrole or inexperienced player find scum. anyone pushing the idea that what i said was "scummy" is just looking for town points imo. we have no guarantee that the player i suggested be "targeted" is, in fact, town. dry-fit is twisting words and took my post completely out of its context. my statement wasn't made to "direct" power roles. sure you can interpret it that way, but when placed in the original context it is obvious that the intent is to point out a poor case, and not to actually direct anyone.semi wrote:Even if the point is good, making these suggestions can be scummy, because it attempts to divert an investigative night action away from oneself. It would be in scum's best interest to do this.town 39-32
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off to bed. i kind of see what you are saying, and redoing iso on dryu i kind of get where he was coming from as well. my biggest issue with him was iso 9. i felt like that is where he really took my comments and tried to give them a life of their own. i need to reread biohazard and your response. i am fairly comfortable with you at this point. i'll get back to this tomorrow.town 39-32
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semi, did you notice this?
if wdjat is implying that dry-fit is "buddying", then that implies that he is scum. so, in wdjat's opinion, the scum team is bio/dry. what do you make of that, and do you agree/disagree with the comment?wdjat wrote:I'm not too happy with the was semioldguy is jumping to Dry-fit's defense either. Either he's falling prey to some buddying or he's doing some buddying of his own. I suspect it's the former.town 39-32
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sorry, a bit rhetorical. i realize you commented on it, but i want to know what you think of wdjat. the comment doesn't strike you at all as odd? wdjat is clearly implying scumpartners imo. clearly going for one and not the other. i want your take.semioldguy wrote: Clearly I did notice it. I quoted and commented on it.
Buddying is not exclusive to scum, but possible implications are also noted.town 39-32
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i guess what's odd to me is that wdjat is implying that dry-fit might be scum with bio,andthat dry-fit might be scum with you(though he clearly favors scum with bio). it seems like the speculation of a player who thinks dry-fit is scum, and yet votes elsewhere(popular bandwagon). the post implies(imo) that wdjat has a stronger scum read on dry than on bio(though he obviously attempts to say different.) my contention here would be that this would be an awfully convenient distancing ploy for a dry-fit/wdjat scum team. i know i know, scum teams on day 1 is just speculation, but the behavior seems odd as well coming from a townie. if bio flips town, wdjat clears himself of responsibility for pursuing dry(arguably his stronger scum read) based on his pairing. honestly it makes menotwant to lynch bio. i'll have to think on this a bit more...town 39-32
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how was it "quite" clear?Regfan wrote:Why hadn't the jailer jailed Semi, it was quite clear he needed the protection...
no. tracker should not "claim" yet. tracker doesn't get innocent, guilty results. they see if someone moved at night. jailer doesn't only "protect" either. they also roleblock. you seem eager to out town's power roles. you made a similar suggestion yesterday.regfan wrote:Also, the tracker should claim if they got a guilty report last night. We can use the jail keeper to protect them the remaining nights leaving us having a clear alive throughout the game, and also a mafia down.
dry-fit hasn't posted today, so what exactly would have "disproved" your suspicions by now?town 39-32
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um, okay. that makes sense, but unless tracker has that result they should definitely not claim.Regfan wrote:
Yes, I'm used to EpicMafia.com where power-roles come out fairly early, share their information and help us catch the mafia. Tracker would know they have a guilty, not sure what you're on about because wouldn't the mafia visit Semi the dead who clearly the jailer did not visit otherwise Semi wouldn't be dead.
not following you here.regfan wrote:
The night death, the lead up to the hammer and what alignment Bio flipped.
going into last night i was pretty sure dry-fit was scum, so i'm not going to argue with you too much here.
i just don't think power roles need to be claiming right off the bat. even if tracker has positive results, there is still the matter of finding the other mafia. i'd like to see more opinions first.
reg: i often follow the "one scum on, one scum off the vanilla townie day1 wagon" theory. do you think it applies here?town 39-32
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its not a complicated theory. its just the idea that both scum avoid being on the same wagon on day 1 due to the heavy application of "bandwagon analysis" that goes on on this site. but obviously, you don't buy into it, so that's fine. i'll have to iso dry-fit, but ic ould definitely drop a vote there today. i want to see where he professed Bio being townie.
is there anybody out there?town 39-32
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"if we lynch mafia" is the key phrase there.
TDC: i have no idea. i have only used the theory twice, and it rang true both times(if i remember correctly), however, one time i was scum so i knew ahead of time. i wouldn't call it reliable just yet. i more or eless wanted an answer from regfan. he's really got me fence sitting. the power role talk and the nk speculation makes me want to lynch him, but its hard to argue with some of his points.
needing more input from others...town 39-32
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it is a pipe dream of mine to someday sit down with a team of research analysts and comb hundreds of mafia threads and accumulate enough data for serious statistical voting analysis, but alas, i have other things to do.
lowell: do you have any other relevant thoughts on who to lynch?town 39-32
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i do not have a scumbuddy. did i miss something? are we back in the rvs? contributions like this are rather weak. hows about you try some scumhunting. if you think one or both of regfan and myself are scum then making a case would be the proper way to proceed. otherwise you are active lurking...Sleepless Assassin wrote:Don_Johnson, is Regfan your scumbuddy?
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i was just wondering if anyone had them paired. didn't regfan defend bio a bit yesterday? i could be wrong about regfan, but i think his effort is certainly pro-town. lowell on the other hand, has gotten considerably anti-town(winks at wdjat)...
having a "gut" town read on a lurker doesn't make sense to me.
the whole "trapped" bit really seems off.wdjat wrote:My gut says Lowell is town. His play play is not that great, but it reads to me like a decent town player trapped in the body of a crappy player.
i think SA should be lynched, though.town 39-32
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sorry. maybe i am misposting here. i am not trying to "coerce" lowell to do anything. just trying to gain clarity as to his stance. i read his post as having a dry-fit/don suspicion and a regfan/don suspicion. voting dry-fit doesn't really seem to clear that up. it would make more sense for him to vote me as he thinks i am scum in both situations, no? perhaps i am misreading. looking at it again he does not seem to imply reg/dj as a necessity.
dry-fit was my number one suspect going into night phase. but no, not so much now. regfan is kind of all over the place for me. some of what he posts makes sense, but some of the stuff just seems so scummy. wdjat(i think replaced serose?) seems like the best lynch atm. so i guess my list would look like this:
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dammit. i keep forgetting that SA is in this game. i don't like the fact that he's getting a pass here.
unvote, vote: sleeplessassasin.
let's see what happens. right now i think that lowell and TDC are the two players i am least likely to vote.town 39-32
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Wdjat wrote:So do you see him as necessarily anti-town in the way he's acting?dj wrote:lowell on the other hand, has gotten considerably anti-town
actually, its quite a direct answer to your question. also, please note that as soon as the subject was broached, lowell showed up with a post. certainly resembles "active" lurking... beginning to rethink the whole "i doubt i'll vote lowell" thingy.wdjat wrote:That's hardly an answer to my question.town 39-32
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i have already covered that. its not the only way to get a lynch by any means and i never indicated that was the case. there was(is) zero interest in the SA wagon, so I moved to who i feel is the more suspicious of the two leading candidates.
lowell: do you think reg is town? calling a dry/don scum team before reg's flip, with SA lurking just seems premature. but whatever. no reason to move my vote. if you want dry lynched you have time to do it and both TDC and wdjat aren't voting. go ahead and make your case.town 39-32
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he's at L-1. i didn't hammer. i have tried convincing people to vote wdjat. you are bordering on an either/or fallacy here. the statement seems off to me, and the case on reg exists. reg's flip helps town either way.TDC wrote: While I'm not sure I understand it either - if you're more suspicious of wdjat than of reg.. why are you not trying to convince him to vote wdjat now rather than later? Instead you're trying to make sure there is no later for him?
yes and no. tomorrow is possible lylo if reg is lynched and flips town. open set-up means thats a given(i.e. no vig/sk shenanigans). he's not claiming power which means town still has pr's to work at night against two goons. we're not going to find scum by twiddling our thumbs and hemming and hawing. it seemed to me that the decision was between reg and dry. i have been pretty consistent in laying out my suspicions. i think lowell, SA, and wdjat are all fine candidates for scum if reg flips town. i am thinking dry if reg flips scum.TDC wrote: You'll find that I questioned his Regfan vote and that he hasn't posted ever since.
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reg, you said that you think dry is scum. if you are scum, then why would we take your advice and lynch who you think is scum the next day(wifom)? if you flip scum, i think a good case could be made that dry is actually your partner as bussing is quite common, and considering two town power roles are still in play means that scum needs to buy some townie cred. just because you are voting each other, also doesn't guarantee that either of you would get lynched. it could be a scum ploy gone bad. i don't know.
conversely, if you flip town, all of your insight into the game will be taken from that pov, so dry would most likely come under pressure which is what you(as town) would want. i'm not sure what the problem is here. i'm not going to give dry a pass if you flip town, but if you are scum, he remains at the top of my list. also, i didn't make a case on you. i never stated that i did. if you recall you are not my top choice. the case on you was made by others. your defense is wifom. if you claim a pr and are actually scum, then someone here will know 100% that you are scum. by claiming vanilla you have a better chance at survival without outing yourself. this is an open set-up. if scum claims power, power doesn't necessarily need to counterclaim right away. if you are town, i will take your thoughts into consideration. if you are scum, well then... please refrain from referring to my thoughts as "stupid". its unecessary. if you are who you say you are and you end up being lynched you need to keep trying to be helpful. i am trying to explain my thought process the best i can.
bussing is rather standard play for scum. how are they "shooting themselves in the foot"? if the scum team is dry/reg, and we back off reg because we believe he is vanilla and lynch wdjat or lowell, then what? they haven't shot themselves in the foot at all. too many people are jumping to conclusions. are we just going to say "reg is town because he says he is?" or if he flips vanilla town, would it be the smartest thing to off and lynch dry based on reg's suspicions? no. there is more to this game than one players suspicions. we get reg's flip, we get another night of actions, possibly a flip in the morning, and then we reevaluate. static reasoning applied to a dynamic game is poor form.TDC wrote:Really? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
this game is more intricate than that. we have two town power roles alive. if reg is town, pushing someone else to claim has the oppurtunity to greatly diminish town's chances of winning. this is an open set-up. you have to play a bit differently imo. scum and town.
you currently have a vote on noone. if you think dry is scum, then you should have put him to L-1 and asked for a claim. if you want to still do that, go ahead. i don't have a problem with the dry lynch, i would just prefer to lynch elsewhere.
seeing as how reg already claimed and claimed vanilla, i think the smart play is to see this through. i would like a bit more input from our lurkers before a hammer, but if we start flailing we may end up playing into scums hands. especially if all the active players are town.town 39-32
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whoever gets lynched gets lynched "regardless" of alignment. all i'm saying is that we don't know reg's alignment. he may very well be scum. i'm entitled to my opinion. if you have a better idea, by all means.TDC wrote:
But I'm finding it a bit disingenuous to be all "let's complete the lynch so we don't force a PR claim by wagoning someone else, he's the best lynch regardless of alignment now".
like i said: SA is my top choice.TDC wrote:I am yet to hear why SA is actually part of the claim wagon and I'd rather like to read that before deciding where I put my vote.
put your vote wherever you want. i'm just saying that the choice is yours. you seem to be implying that i have some sort of power over you. i do not. do as you please.TDC wrote:Why would I put my vote on Dry and ask for his claim right now (or as you seem to infer, even before you voted Regfan), when I might well end up preferring SA? That would only risk ending in the same way as the Reg wagon..
i don't feel like i'm in a hurry. somebody has to be the player that advances the game. if everyone sits around twiddling their thumbs we get nowhere. i find that boring.TDC wrote:Not sure why you appear to be in such a hurry.
from what i recall you found reg's lack of knowledge rather genuine. personally i think its a bit wifom. regardless of how genuine itTDC wrote:By the way, what do you think about the argument I had long ago with SA regarding Regfan's lack of knowledge of how night kills work on this site?seemsit inevitably becomes more valuable after reg's flip when we know whether or not it actuallyisgenuine. could help to further analyze SA at that point.
regardless of reg's flip, i think town will be in a good position for tomorrow. hence, i'd rather not start flailing and risk weakening our position. i agree that if reg is town, it would be better to try and find scum, but then we are assuming that reg is in fact town, and we are increasing our chances of outing a remaining power role. so given the chance that reg may very well be scum, and that even if he is town his lynch will be informative, our best action may well be to simply move forward(after discussion is satisfied).town 39-32
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i am considering both possibilities. not sure what you are getting at here.Regfan wrote:
In response to Wifom I'm going to quote something I said in a finished game that I've already linked which is this:
you could call anything that's happened WIFOM really. That's why when you see everything, you consider both possibilities and make a decision, that's what I did and you seem to refute it only by posting the word WIFOM.
bolded is the key word. you are attaching more meaning to my words than was intended.reg wrote:
Go read your post again, it is indeed stupid you said this:
i think lowell, SA, and wdjat are all fine candidates for scum if reg flips town.
Meaningwhen I flip town, you're not even going to consider my biggest suspect, the person I'm sure on.
i do suspect you. i think there is a good chance you will flip scum. if not, then we move on with that information to work with.reg wrote:
So, you don't really suspect me, you don't think I'm mafia, but you want me lynched, again wtf? How about re-read Dry throughout the game and do an iso on him and vote an actual mafia.
i can't vote you again. yes. i support your lynch.reg wrote: YOU YOU YOU, put me at L-1. YOU, forced me to claim. Now YOU are saying that since I've claimed you might as well lynch me. Do you not see how you are the one pushing this lynch now?
no. bussing is a surefire way for scum to gain town cred. also, the possibility exists that you are scum with someone else.reg wrote:And do you honestly think I would buss with a tracker and jailer alive and town still having a msylnch, because that's pure stupidity.
^^ this AtE does not help your case.reg wrote: I don't think you will be I think somehow Dry is going to slip out of getting lynched and mafia will win.
there are other players in this thread and we need more input from them. i'm not going to wagon hop around putting everyone at L-1.town 39-32
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no. you are not "everyone". you are one player.Regfan wrote:
That's what you did to me.dj wrote: there are other players in this thread and we need more input from them. i'm not going to wagon hop around putting everyone at L-1.
the case is that you have been acting scummy. several players have pointed this out, even TDC. currently, all you are doing is saying "i am town". that's not going to change my mind. at this point i would like your flip so as i can then analyze the actions taking place around you. there is nothing more i can do to achieve that end. other players will need to chime in. i expect good reasoning from anyone wielding a hammer vote. if you can convince enough players to change wagons and choose a different lynch, then so be it.reg wrote:And I'm still waiting and I'll repeat again since you seem to be dodging my question, what is this 'Case'?
SA: you have basically been lurking and not contributing. that is what i am referencing in "the pass". i thought i already posted some suspicions of you, i will recheck. if not, i will go back and flesh them out. at this point i am not interested in pursuing another lynch candidate, however. so we'll see.town 39-32
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noones "encouraging" a fourth vote. i explicitly asked that a hammer vote be well explained. i have also suggested to the players who are not happy with this wagon to feel free to work on getting other ones started. not sure what the bolded is supposed to mean. i believe we both independently stated that we don't think moving is a good idea in order to protect town power roles. do you disagree? if so, why?wdjat wrote:Both of them leaning on the Regfan lynch basedpurely on momentumis really scummy. I mean, I get how the votes got there in the first place but the reasoning their both using to encourage that fourth vote.
you seem to be heaping the responsibility of "productiveness" solely on me. TDC and wdjat are the ones with an oppurtunity to shift the focus of the day's activities. i do not have a solid reason at this point to move off the wagon of a claimed vanilla whose alignment is questionable.regfan wrote:So, you're saying, you pretty much refuse to change your vote right now. Instead you'd rather just keep the lynch going and then 'Read whats happened when I flip town'? That seems unproductive.town 39-32
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active lurk much?
seriously. five minutes after i mention your name? awesome.
no. those were two separate sentences.dry wrote:He's scummy because no one is suspicious of him?
he's scummy.
no one else seems to be suspicious of him.
all of this inactivity kind of bothers me, but he seemed the most likely to flip scum. the fact that nothing is really happening in this thread is a bit worrisome. the fact that you haven't posted here in five days, but chime in with a half-assed misrep five minutes after i bolded your name is a bit odd too. if you read my post, you will see that SA seemed to drop off ofdry wrote:I don't see you implying any suspicion of him since page six. Why is he your preferred lynch?everyonesradar for quite a while. not just mine.
what is your read on SA?
what is your read on Reg and his claim?
what is your read on TDC?town 39-32
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yes. lowell's reasoning would imply that reg is scum.
wdjat: please place your vote where you feel it will best serve town. i am not going to argue with you about the semantics of the word "encourage". if you don't like the reg wagon then do something about it. i have done my part. now its your turn.
dry: would you mind regurgitating what it was about serrose that was scummy? you seem to be implying that you are lynching reg for serrose' actions, not reg's. if that's the case i would like a quick rehash of the case on serrose. i agree about TDC. SA i will have to take another look. there are a couple of points that have been made against him. i will look back and try to organize them for you.town 39-32
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