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1. Do you prefer town or scum?
I prefer power, I don't care if I'm on the light side or dark side of the Force.
2. Is lurking a scum tell?
It depends. I "lurk" on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays because I have little free time those days. If you want to know how much free time I have, ask Nik, because I tend to be on IRC when I have time and not when I don't. :P
3. Do you prefer town hunting or scum hunting?
scumhunting. You will never find scum by the process of elimination. (unless by elimination you mean lynching them)
4. How active do you normally consider yourself, in-game?
I am very active when I am here, and still sort of active but a lot less in-depth when I'm not here.
5. Policy lynches—good or bad?
Circumstantial. IMO there are two good places for policy-lynch. One of them is if we don't have a solid lead yet on D1, and the other is if we have 5 or 6 players left and we've lynched three of the four mafia, and two of the remaining players are exceedingly scummy. (aka, lynch them both)
6. Lynch All Liars—good or bad?
Bad. Lying is circumstantial and I believe there are some, even many times when it is pro-town for a town player to lie (for instance, claiming VT when you're a Doctor to allow the ability of unroleblocked protects and not being nightkilled). I hope that we can tell the difference by now between pro-town lying and scum lying.
7. Is it scummy to vote without immediately giving the reason?
It's scummy to say that this is scummy.
8. Is it bad to out your town reads?
This is largely a matter of individual playstyle, and you should do what fits you best. Also, if you are about to be hammered, I highly recommend taking the time to post any and all reads you have just in case.The textwaller of d00m-
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Generally my late-game play is significantly better than my early-game play, which tends to unfortunately invite pressure on me at the beginnings of games. I work best when I have an actual grounding in other people, aka after someone has already flipped, but I also point out logic flaws in other people's arguments in a way that has been construed as defense or attack, but really is intended to be neither. I tend to trust my gut because frequently, my gut picks up on something wrong in someone's play long before my analytical mind catches up to it.Slaxx wrote:And for SFG: by what other means do you enjoy gathering information?
If you want meta from me, I have a wiki page of my thus far meager set of games here. I've given up on newbie games for now because the players have an unfortunate tendency to skinny-dip in scum pools before joining games, resulting in frequent town-omgus when I can't find the townie beneath all the scum. I have also been lynched for the same misnamed "scumtell" twice and would appreciate it if people familiarize themselves with it now because that is simply what I do when I am under pressure and no amount of logic or experience seems to help that.
That said, I would like to hear from other players what their meta is. I've played with Nikanor in IRC before, but the rest of you are unfamiliar to me. If you don't feel like describing in words, please link me to two games, one scum and one town, that you think I should read.The textwaller of d00m-
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also, two things
1. this is a way of voting that I picked up from Troll as a better way to RVS. I pick the first person I find who has confirmed but not posted, and vote them. I'm not really wagoning on her, nor do I intend to at this stage of the game...I just want her to talk.
2. IMGEOSFG means what, now?The textwaller of d00m-
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I'm sorry, somehow Nikanor got caught up in my Gender.Random(); and her gender is now changing between "he" "she" "it" and "heshe" alongside mine. She will, I am sure, notify you of the correct pronoun at any given point in time, although it is unfortunate that MS doesn't have the gender symbols for "it" and "heshe" yet.
Also, I have a good enough meta grounding for Nik, Hay, Pul, and SPS. I would like groundings from everyone else as well, with the warning that if you do not give me a grounding, I may misperceive some of your normal town play as scummy.The textwaller of d00m-
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Well how was I to know that? Anyways, you're good now.Sanhora wrote:You really gotta love SFG's vote on me. Stating herself that there are days that she 'lurks' and then want me to talk. Thursday is my busiest day, with a possible exception of the weekend.unvote
I read the game that Pul linked, Sanhora and SPS provided brief summaries of their meta, and I've played with Nik on IRC very frequently (although I suppose that means I know his IRC meta better than his forum meta).Hay wrote:You poor poor thing, what games did you read?
Why so sure?crypto wrote:I did some egregious skimming so I'll have to reread, but SPS needs to be dead right now.
@Max, I honestly can't tell if that was a joke or not. At any rate, since you decided to show up, mind enlightening me on your meta instead of throwing dirt at whoever catches your fancy?
@Nik's accusation of active lurking. Remember what day yesterday is? That's right, it was a Thursday. What days did I say I had a lot of class? Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays.
also btw I hate the beginning of Day 1 with a fiery passion and I guess you missed me on IRC yesterday as "essay" asking people to lynch me so I wouldn't have to write me
That said, i am going to vote for...hm, someone who has confirmed but not posted yet.
...? Max has posted but not confirmed, and our mod is obviously present. xP Go read your role pm before you start playing, please, it wreaks havoc with me retrospective reads.
Actually, he told me he forgot to confirm via PM, which I took as a confirmation. I haven't gotten around to updating the first post yet. Doing so now...
Actually, everyone has posted now. Time to start looking for scum~The textwaller of d00m-
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oh crypto, you poor thing, you've had the experience of playing with muh. Much pity for you. At any rate, I think I have a sense of your town meta and the mere fact that you've never been scum will suffice for your scum meta
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Haylen
A lot of frustratingly little content, but interaction in there too, and reasonably explained by her most recent post.
Sanhora
Fashionably late to the party.
A little bit of misrepresentation directed at me there, I voted you because of a method I picked up from Troll at the end of my first game here (see #29). I explained this rather badly, but you also got pretty defensive there. You say that this is your meta, but I would like a link to an example post or game to be sure.
Why don't you like the Nico wagon? I would like at least one point against it to back up your argument.
Max
Please post content.
Pulindar
I didn't notice it before but it bugs me now that its on my radar...in Post 1 (ISO) you subtly imply that you and Haylen aren't a scumpair. This mostly bugs me because of how subtle it is.
You really weren't into early wagons in the game I read, yet you are trying to start them now. Any reason for the change of heart?
Likes Nico for attacking her, interesting. Will be even more interesting later in the game.
Also, I notice that in the Science game you were fawning over BM townhunting, you say you intend to copy his strategy, yet you also say you do scumhunting, not townhunting
Likes Nika for her defense, interesting.
Overall someone to keep an eye on as the game progresses, although I will be keeping my other eye on anyone whose post count is half or less than average.
Alduskkel
The only thing you've done is hopped on a wagon, placing it at L-2. I would like explanation because this is part of the critical point of a wagon where scum tend to jump on.
crypto
Why do you find nonparticipation in RVS scummy?
why do you feel the need to mark your like...6th serious question as being serious, when you didn't mark the others?
Why does SPS need to be dead now?
Finally, in ISO 30, you misattributed a quote about your avatar to me. The quote is actually from Nik
Overall getting slight town vibes from you.
Nikanor
obv. one or the other of us is scum because i CC'd his Cop claim.
decent amounts of scumhunting mixed with lol.
I don't find your case on Nico particularly telling, but then again, at this point in time nothing is particularly telling.
Also, for my style of scumhunting, it actually takes me 1-3 hours to make a post, depending on how many people I'm looking at and how late it is in the game, as well as the density of scumtells and towntells in their posts. I started this one an hour ago and I'm about halfway through, not counting breaks to help my boyfriend pack.
SFG
Obvscum. I mean come on, he should just change his name to Scummy McGoon and be done with it.
Steam-Powered Shovel
dislike posts 1 and 2
strike that you answered it in the next post
I would like you to try and make a post about a player other than Nico soonish. You seem to have a bit of an obsession with his scumminess.
Slaxx
very very little content at first
then you throw out a couple questions and go back to no content.
i dont like you
horrordude0215
i see by your title that you are a noob.
misrep right in post 0, probably a joke or noobishness
other than that, you have all the qualities of active lurking except for "over an extended period of time"
congratulations.
Nicodemus
really aggressive play style. REALLY aggressive. Do you have a couple meta games you could link me while you work at getting that stick out of your butt?
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please post with actual content, and also your name makes it obvious that you are a vig, and you should totally claim that right now.The textwaller of d00m-
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If this is the question you are so fond of yelling at people for not answering, may I suggest that the reason you aren't getting answers is because people are still sorting out their scum lists?Max wrote:Does anybody have preference of who to lynch first?
Nothing else bears immediate response, so I will go play IRC mafia for awhile now until dinner, and stalk the game that lynched me.The textwaller of d00m-
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@Pulinor, sorry for the gender confusion. My changing gender is intended to be fun, but if you don't find it so feel free to refer to me by my gender icon. Also thanks for the meta on Slaxx.
@crypto, I am pointing out anything and everything that I find interesting and potentially useful later game, including potential buddying, potential town tells, and potential scumtells. Key word: potential. Most of the things I pointed out will not matter in the long run and simply give me a place to start. This is partly in response to Nik's complaints that my posts didn't contain enough content, partly because I'm trying to get the ball rolling here, and partly so you can see what my scumhunting looks like (and therefore, why it is significantly more effective in later game).
I am asking people questions because I want to judge their responses.
In the long run, you will see two or three of these summaries congeal into an actual case and that is the point at which you should start seriously considering them.The textwaller of d00m-
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The italicized portion is me making a comment after reading (i believe) post 3 which you then answered in post 4. You get to see a lot of my thoughtsSPS wrote:Could you clarify the italicized portion? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Nico's scumminess is the only noteworthy event that has transpired as far as I'm concerned.
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Ok, not having the luxury of tabs on my iPhone and forgetting what, exactly, Nik asked of me, I'm going to list everyone I have a read on from scummiest to towniest. Will give more explanation later.
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I've been misconstrued as scummy in every single game thus far because people are stupid and think that things I do out of interest for the town are actually scummy.Alduskkel wrote:
Eh? If you suspect Max, vote for him! Are you so worried about looking scummy that you'll refuse to vote for one of your suspects?SFG wrote:im not going to vote Max because it could be misconstrued as OMGUS
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FoS: SFG.
Max is also under a bit of pressure already and I'd like to place some pressure on lesser suspects.The textwaller of d00m-
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SFG's Rules of Being a Townie:
1. Find scum. This is your first and foremost priority
2. Do not let yourself be lynched* You will be wasting precious town resources.
*unless it is strategically necessary to out the scum
Now, my D1 play being weak as I've already stated, because apparently the type of scumhunting I do (taking critical notes of all players and analyzing them individually) looks scummy to everyone else, I've placed Rule 2 as a priority until such a time as my scumhunting has an outlet to pick up.
Also @crypto, I didn't "place a vote on nonsuspects," I placed a vote on my #2 scummiest. In case you y'know, actually bothered to read my scum list. In fact, if you read my scum list, you will also see that my "throwing mud at everyone" actually yielded 4 potential scum and 3 potential town, and a bunch of null reads. 'cus 4 is totally everyone.
Seems like another game where every action I can possibly take is scummy, even scum hunting....The textwaller of d00m-
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very short temp. post before church.
I never said that it was overriding. I don't want to be lynched, no, but I want to start prioritizing 1 as soon as I have something more than a few straws here and there to build a case from. Right now, the one time I went out collecting straws and seeing what I could do, like three people jumped on me for "flinging mud."SPS wrote:If your overriding concern is not get lynched, how are we to determine your alignment? As townie, I always try to play as naturally as I can, guilelessly.
Certainly I don't want to be lynched before the game gets into what I call the "middle game," which is when my scumhunting starts to become much more powerful than it does in the "early game."
I stated that in one of my first posts on this thread.
I don't like Sniper or Nico's playstyle atm, but I want it to pan out a bit more so maybe I can see if 1. one of them flakes out or 2. their goals become more clear.The textwaller of d00m-
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You'll notice that I have her down as a neutral read. This kind of behavior seems par for Haylens meta as I understand it (which, SPS, is why I don't find her scummy)Pulindar wrote:I still enjoy haylens posts. I can't explain it, but I really do.
Pul wrote: 1. I had been asking St. Kerrigan if I could be scum partners with Haylen ever since I heard he was making a game like this....Fair enough. I wanted to be cop mason siblings with Nikanor so I think I understand :P
2. ... So, the change of heart is due to the change of game size.Very logical, I like it
3. I still like Nico's attack on me. others say that they find it grasping at straws, but I think it's more of trying to solve the logic.My personal take on the attack is twofold: 1. He may be trying to start discussion and get us out of RVS 2. He just plays aggressively. Incidentally, this has also earned him a neutral read.
4. I liked how he approached things, and in a small game like that narrowing down town really could have won it. In a game like this that would be difficult to do. I took a leaf from his book with my vote on San though. I was trying to find an inconsistency with you actually. You said you didn't want a bandwagon, and I was trying to form one before San got back, unfortunately she got back early so... yeah it didn't work, but still I did try. I wanted to see what you would doI don't know, I think I would have stayed on her as a matter of principle unless she was under serious threat (L-2), at which point I would probably get upset at the people bandwagoning onto her and move my vote to one of them. If that helps any.
BTW I'm a he :shock:whoopsie
I'm noting associations and reactions. Not accusing you of being scummy for having associated and reacted.Puli wrote: Nika's reasoning was good. She was trying to explain away the slanted accusation I put at her, and she explained it well.
Actually, I do that in pretty much every game where I make a list like this. You can do the research if you'd like, or you can take my word for it.Pul wrote:SFG
2. why do you claim scum in such a joking manner after being angry at me for asking SK to make me scum with Haylen.
Again, all I said was "I don't like you." If you need a translation, that roughly means "I dislike your playstyle, which is somewhat incompatible with mine" rather than "I think you are scummy." Note that I have Slaxx listed as a neutral read for the moment too.Pul wrote: I can attest that that's just how Slaxx plays. I don't know what his alignment is in our game (still ongoing) but that is how he plays.
Here's to hoping that activity picks up in here soon. If not I will just be requesting prods enne masse tomorrow :PThe textwaller of d00m-
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Max there are a few things wrong with what you just said.
1. You accused me of being scummy first in Post 120 and the first post you reference of mine as being scummy is Post 224. Unless you are somehow precognescent, you arent playing with a full deck of cards here.
2. I've explained about Post 21 of mine already, which you ignored. Post 23 is a logic-based defense of my actions and I do not see what is possibly scummy about saying, oh, that crypto should stop twisting my words to make them look scummier than they actually are. Maybe you should explain that to me in more detail. Post 26 is an analysis of my meta that people could, if they were not lazy, find in other games of mine.
3. Why do you hate meta so much that the discussion of meta made you decide that crypto is scummy? Meta is extremely important, if for no other reason, then because it keeps players from making the same mistakes every single time (like lynching me because I crack under pressure. Cus of course no townie ever cracked under pressure ever ever ever.)The textwaller of d00m-
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Also Max, you also might want to consider that voting can be used as...say...a scumhunting technique? Or even just a threat to get someone who needs to talk to talk. There are like 200 ways of using a vote and only about 50 of them involve actually getting the person you're voting lynched.
That said, I am becoming more satisfied with SPS and will nowunvoteand in his placevote Sniper
Vote will be removed when you post something of value to the rest of the town, rather than a claim that may or may not be a lie.
I mean come on, if it were just that simple of "hey guys, raise you're hand if you're a townie" and then lynching the people who didn't raise their hands, there would be no point to the game.The textwaller of d00m-
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Because I've already stated that as my intention for mild pressure votes in a previous post.Slaxx wrote: @SFG: Why would you out that you're going to take the vote off? Why not just do it when it happens and check for reactions?
@crypto, why are you accusing me of trying to get out of scumhunting when at least volume/effort wise I've done more scumhunting than more than half the town? That makes no sense.
Also, I would not like to see the first lynch before the game progresses farther towards midgame.
(for those who need definitions, pregame = RVS. early game = cases are grasping at straws, very little content. middle game = cases based on accumulation of scumtells and other similar things, or occasionally a cc or obvscum. late game = most everyone is sure of their reads, and these reads have the proper number of scum and town (but not necessarily agreed))
@Furry, welcome to the game, sorry that you are currently reading me as scum. It would have been much easier on everyone if you noted who you were talking to in your quick readthrough, because I really don't feel like opening up a seventh MS tab to try and figure out what all of these posts were.
One more thing that bugs me. You guys keep saying "x and y are scum" like there is no possibility that they aren't. This early in a game, how would you know? If you were saying "x and y are town" like that, I would call it a scumtell.The textwaller of d00m-
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I wonder if there is an availability bias at work here. I'm always considered scummy. I always have the most post volume, word for word. Because I have more post volume, I have more potential to say things that can be interpreted as scumtells, therefore people find more scumtells in my posts simply because there is more post, and therefore they decide that I must be scum because of the sheer volume of scumtell.
This is not unlike the time when someone found 11 misinterpretations in my 157 posts and decided that since there were so many "lies" it provided conclusive evidence that the townie I was must be scum.The textwaller of d00m-
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lynching scum > lynching trolls > lynching territownies
obv. we should be trying for a scum lynch today. At the very least, we should settle for some good leads on who might be scum and if we run into deadline problems, thats when we might need to pull a policy lynch. I may agree to policy lynching Sniper eventually, but now is NOT the time for it guys.The textwaller of d00m-
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I've played nine games offsite where it eventually became policy to lynch/nk me in the first couple days because I was too much better than the other players, and then the game devolved into lurker haven and the scum always won because the town was lazy.
I've played two games onsite, one of which I fell into a puddle of scum shortly after replacing in and was lynched in lylo for it because the other townie was tunneling on my early scumminess. The other one, I spent most of the game I was alive for focused on a townie who had also taken a scumbath recently, and once I realized he was actually town, I picked out the other scum and convinced the others to take the strategy of "just lynch us both," and won.
You decide if that counts as playing a good game of mafia
Also apologies for not being on more, today is my run-around-everywhere day and now I've coughed up about 60 lungs and counting (they sell nice on ebay, at least) and am completely exhausted. I should go back and ISO people again soon cus there's been more activity now, but something in the back of my head says there are like 3 people who need prodding. Can't be arsed to figure out who.The textwaller of d00m-
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Slaxx: I am okay with reaction testing. I do not think it is conclusive evidence, or even in this case particularly strong evidence, but it is a kind of evidence that can be used in cases and tells.
Also it looks like prod periods of 72 hours instead of 48 are throwing off my estimates a little, but Max and Nik are headed for prods soon (Puli is v/la so she doesn't count).The textwaller of d00m-
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Unlike most people, I do not keep vote counts in my head, especially not when I'm passing through between dinner and karate. Then Slaxx specifically noted that Sniper was at L-1 and I freaked out.SPS wrote: SFG did post after the fifth vote had been placed without mentioning it, even though I felt it was pretty clear what direction we were heading in, so I'm not sure how genuine her move was.The textwaller of d00m-
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Alright, since Slaxx has gone and nicely given me a ton of stuff about him to analyze, I will now go and ISO Slaxx for great justice.
Hm...this will require excessive tabbing wheeee~
In post 6, you practically write an ode to bandwagons, and then in the following post you say "Not very happy with the Nic bandwagon." I thought bandwagons were our Excalibur against the scum!
Post 9 synopsis: Ald - no read; crypto - town read; Haylen - dislike; horror - neutral; Max - scum; Nic - neutral; Nika - towneutral; Puli - neutral; San - dislike; SFG - scum; Sniper - neutral; SPS - scum
Post 12 - following up scum read with a vote
#14 - thoughts on Nic decline
#15 - Sniper read becomes scummier, all else consistent
#16 - switches vote to another scum read
#19 - I guess this follows your bandwagon principle or whatever. Not getting warm fuzzy feelings from me for it, though...
#22-23 - you still havent explained to my satisfaction why you would rather off the village idiot than the people you keep saying are scum.
#25 - reverses read on me, and townifies Ald
You are actively encouraging discussion, which gets you brownie points from me Mind you, brownie points count towards "how much I like you" rather than "how much I think you are scummy."
#35 - 10 posts ago you said you thought Ald was townish. Now either he or Max is scum. Since you have a scum read on Max and a town read on Ald, why the dichotomy?
New set of reads summary: Ald - town; crypto - scum (what happened? things you were calling townish before, you're now reading as scummy. Why the change?); Furry - towneutral; Haylen - unreadable; Max - obvscum; Nic - scum; Nika - neutrascum; Puli - town; San - unread; SFG - towneutral
#45 - gives me really good vibes, actually. I have a tendency to state things that work against my cases in cases that I build because 90% of the time they do exist and I don't want to blindside myself by ignoring a critical mitigation in a town player's play.The textwaller of d00m-
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Also I would like to say, I'm willing to give our closed-mouthed Max another Day to give more reasoning, because I have seen a player whose scumhunting relied so heavily on secrecy of intent that he nearly got lynched Day 1 for the exact same reasons we are now thinking of lynching Max. Then he got NK'd Night 1, which should tell you something about both his accuracy and his alignment...The textwaller of d00m-
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I'm a towniiiieeeeeee bedNika wrote:Saying that, 'Hey, I'm a townie!' is a fairly reliable town-tell in my books. The reason for that is that scum don't like lying. Lying gets scum caught, so they get into the mindset of truthfulness.
Somehow I don't think you were actually quoting crypto here...wanna try again?Nika wrote:
I totally do not agree with this. What makes you think crypto is the scummiest?crypto wrote:Would be voting Crypto at this point but im not putting one down untill after I get done with my read.
[quote="Nika]I'm at a loss of what to think about Sniper's self-vote. It looks like an attempted self-hammer, but the fact that he unvoted right afterward makes me think otherwise. I'll have to ponder this for awhile. [/quote]
I think that he realized he did something very stupid and was trying to cover it up real quick with a flimsy reason for why he might have done it. Which is neutrascum imo
It depends very strongly on how he answers the questions/contradictions I found, specifically the ones in ISO 6-7, 22-23, 35, and concerning crypto.Nika wrote:So what do you think of Slaxx, SFG? Town or scum?The textwaller of d00m-
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Two things
1. You had better remember this on Day 4 and, if Lord Chronos is still alive, that party is GOING to happen.
2. Max, your WIFOM argument doesn't even make sense. I'm not saying "I think everyone should leave Max alone because he's obviously a townie like that other game," I'm saying that there is enough of a chance in my mind that you might be a townie that I would not be happy with a lynch on you yet, nor would I be surprised if you flipped town. Furthermore, your argument about how Slaxx's arguments are feeble is ludicrous considering how weak your own arguments have been.
also Nik, I was referring to the game we played in IRC last night as a counterexample, and I can probably reference numerous examples where as scum, I have claimed a pro-town role even without MC being thrown at me.
Essentially, I'm debating the validity of your tell.The textwaller of d00m-
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Actually, I went and took a nap for awhile because I was still feeling sick :P reading up on the two pages of posts that appeared now and will form response later.Haylen wrote:Pul is v/la for a while. SFG is most likely lurking on Xylbot and Slaxx is...uh...i dunno where that guy went.The textwaller of d00m-
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I keep seeing people who are suspicious of crypto, but I have yet to see a satisfactory reason as to why they should. For that matter, Slaxx has still not addressed how he went back and switched his read from town to scum based on some of the same initial "pro-town" posts. If anyone would like to point out a few places that are scummy, preferably with quotes and such...
Also, if we're going to try and bore Sniper out of the game, we should probably draw out the days really long until he leaves so as to waste the least amount of Day waiting for him. Either that or we could all pick on him until he goes crying home to his mother.The textwaller of d00m-
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Trying to resist early scum wagons on fat mislynch targets.Nika wrote:
Active lurking.SFG wrote:I don't like Sniper or Nico's playstyle atm, but I want it to pan out a bit more so maybe I can see if 1. one of them flakes out or 2. their goals become more clear.
still awaiting an answer about crypto from him. Leaning town atm.Nikanor wrote:So what do you think of Slaxx, SFG? Town or scum?
ish. Every time I catch up, I fall behind again, and generally even if I have read the entire game, there are some things that won't percolate into my reads until a month or two after I read themNikanor wrote:SFG, are you all caught up on the game now?
It's the kind of thing that I put as a note right now, and then flesh out later. I need to make a flow chart for this game lolNikanor wrote:SFG, what do you think of this:Haylen wrote:Slaxx is town.The textwaller of d00m-
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Alllllllright. For some reason I though we had about a week more discussion time than we actually did. Going back and addressing stuff now. Hopefully my activity level will perk up again now that I've replaced out of my other game...
Starting with post 513...the only thing I like in there is Pul's case on Sniper, and as I said before, I think we can drive him out of this town (or, if the scum want to do us all a favor and kill him, its better for them to use their NK on him than on a productive player). Everything else I see here smells strongly of sheep >_>
515 - Slaxx's case against crypto.Slaxx wrote:This trio is what really bugs me. He criticizes SPS for voting without a reason, but he only explains after prompted. 7 is a totally different unrelated post, but He hopped all over SFG for pressuring a lurker. I love pressuring lurkers. -points to Nic's bandwagon.Slaxx in ISO 9 wrote:7: Good questioning, good straightforwardness.
good pointSlaxx wrote:Crypto 9, 10, and 11 are all either agree statements or empty accusations. I know its early in the game, but please try more?
17,19,22 I also agree with you there
Slaxx in ISO 9 wrote:31: Really liking his case here on SFG.
6 posts is forever?Slaxx wrote:Post 37: vote without a reason, hasn't pointed fingers with a good case in forever, but has been asking a lot of people their opinions. More passive scumhunting.
post 51 - what concerns me more about crypto here is that he said he was leaning town on me, and then voted me. Why vote someone you think is town?
56 - he again confirms that he thinks I'm townesque, yet his vote remains on me. Why?
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Doing an ISO read of my top suspects so that I can figure out where I should rest my vote right now. I will also say at the outset that I will be fine with a Nico lynch toDay unless Nico replaces out.
Max
belligerent, antitown playstyle. I can deal with, and in fact would approve of, your method of scumhunting if you could pare down to a couple sentences of quote what you seem to think linking an entire post should do. That is, if you point me to a three-paragraph post and expect me to glean something specific from the third through sixth words of the second paragraph, it is NOT going to work. If you just quote said words, I can probably figure it out.
I notice you defend Sniper in your Post 3.
I'm not sure how you can call your playstyle "aggressive" when you don't pressure anyone.
Most of your recent posts involve a lot of stalling and very little content.
Sanhora/LC
Sanhora barely posted.
LC, about 2/3 of your posts are nothing but questions. Your only votes have been on very safe sorts of targets following general suspicions. I don't see much scumhunting or intention to scumhunt at all, unless you keep it all in your mind.
Sniper
the lack of content is astounding. I don't even know.
crypto
A few decent points and a lot of fluff. I think I was biased because he was acting favorably towards me. He isn't the worst of the lot, but he is pretty bad.
I think that Max and Sniper have a chance of improving/dropping out, so I am stalling those suspicions for now and voting for my next most suspect person.vote: LCThe textwaller of d00m-
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Actually, I am getting more and more of a town feel for Nico as this goes on. I just think anyone playing scum would care more. WIFOM as it is, it's making me less and less satisfied with the Nico lynch.
@LC, when did I ever say I wasn't willing to lynch Sniper? If any of the people I mentioned on that list manage to get themselves lynched today, I won't be unhappy about it. I just mentioned it specifically for Nico because Nico seems the most likely lynch of the day.The textwaller of d00m-
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With all due respect, I am also a giant ball of exploding emotion and I have meta that shows that Haylen plays significantly better as scum than as town. That said, I would rather lynch Sniper than Nico and since there does seem to be a movement in that direction, I will go along with it. Remember my vote on LC, though. I know he won't be lynched today, but I think my suspicions are valid.
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I'm still getting a town read on Haylen. She's acting like I would expect townHay to act, and although I think her extensive theory posts belong in the discussion section rather than this thread, she has good points there too (plus I still have a bit of a grudge being lynched in both completed games because apparently major depression is scummy...but I won't get into that rant today).
At any rate, I expect that every single player here will have improved performance on Day 2, with the possible exceptions of crypto who may be disappearing entirely and Sniper, who gives no inclination of being interested in anything other than fucking with the rest of us and being annoying.The textwaller of d00m-
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